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Old 12-20-2012, 08:49 PM   #1
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Question Thinking and thinking and then this?

I've always had a fascination with Jeeps since I rode in my uncle's renegade a long time ago... ok not that long ago, but it was the 80's...maybe that is a long time ago... anywho....

Now I have the opportunity to justify buying a 4x4... So right away I thought JEEP!!

I currently have a bone stock i4, MT, 4x2 toyota tacoma (DD). I plan to trade in the tacoma for the Jeep.

My job office is in los angeles, CA, but my "area," where my "field" jobs are located, are in the mountains of Big Creek, northeast of Fresno. If you're familiar with this area you'll know that driving into those mountains requires chains during the winter and can get rough on the mountain roads. While the tacoma maybe enough to handle the big creek area, I'd definitely would feel more comfortable with a v6 and 4x4.

I'll be driving to big creek, stay a few days, and back about once a week. It's about a 6 hour drive one way.

So needless to say the 4x4 needs to be both a commuter and an off-roader.

While searching for dealers for a basic Sport I discovered this:
New 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sport For Sale in Alhambra CA | 1C4BJWDG9CL196832

It's an unlimited "pickup" WTF?! I find it very functional because of the bed option, and the "extended" cab, but I can't find the option when "building my own"

Any help in identifying this novelty would be great. I will follow up with the dealer, but I don't really trust them to give me information rather tell me a line just to get me on the lot.

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Because jeep doesn't make it. It's aftermarket conversion it's called the jk8.

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That's a JK-8. It's made by starting with a 4 door and using a kit to convert to a pickup. Usually run a lot more $$. Like around $10k more. You're better off buyin a Rubicon for the money.
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oh my...!!

Rubicon is a bit out of the price range....nice.... but out of the price range...

btw I did call the dealer and he said it was a $50k truck... I laughed.... said thanks and hung up... oh, and someone was "looking at it" as we spoke...of course...

So anyone have a recommendation as to what my commuter/4x4 jeep should be? I'm thinking sport S cause I'm to old to not have power options or A/C with the 3.21 axle ratio for the better milage? Is the 3.21 ok for hill climbs? I dont plan to tow or have loads... just me and some field measuring equipment...

Thank you guys...!!!!

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Are you looking for 2 or 4 door? You might appreciate the ride improvement of the 4 door, and they tend to be an easier sell down the road. 3.21 is fine for mild off-roading, especially with the new 3.6. If you are concerned about mileage, the gearing isn't going to help that much... it's marginal... Take a few for a spin and see which one feels right.
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just found this with google...

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/3-2...pg-120210.html

I'm thinking the 3.73 FTW...
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Are you looking for 2 or 4 door? You might appreciate the ride improvement of the 4 door, and they tend to be an easier sell down the road. 3.21 is fine for mild off-roading, especially with the new 3.6. If you are concerned about mileage, the gearing isn't going to help that much... it's marginal... Take a few for a spin and see which one feels right.
hmmmm didnt think about the resale of the 4 door....

I feel better with the smaller wheelbase when i get to those "oh, its a dead end" roads...

not sure how much longer the 4 door is compared to the 2 door... have to research... might just be a few inches which wouldnt make a difference in a U-Turn scenario...
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A 2 door is a lot more nimble, but the 4 door will ride much better on the highway.
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hmmmm didnt think about the resale of the 4 door....

I feel better with the smaller wheelbase when i get to those "oh, its a dead end" roads...

not sure how much longer the 4 door is compared to the 2 door... have to research... might just be a few inches which wouldnt make a difference in a U-Turn scenario...
While the Unlimited (four door) looks large, it's not. It's actually no longer than a 2012 Subaru Forester. I know this because one parks next to my Unlimited every night.

If you have plans of carting people or large objects around with you, you're going to regret getting the two-door.
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Consider how much equipment you have as well, you can remove the back seat from the 2 door if you need it, but the 4 door offers more cargo without needing to remove seats and even more when you fold them down.
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A 2 door is a lot more nimble, but the 4 door will ride much better on the highway.
I just saw the starting price of the 4-doors.... yea they're a bit more... I was hoping to stay below the $25k mark...

I had to cutout the A/c and the power stuff off the 2-door since it kicked it up to just over $25k
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I just swapped my 2 door for a 4, highway drive is a lot easier, and having the cargo room is worth the extra cash. I like the looks of the 2 door more, but as a DD the 4 door is a much better fit. Take them both for a spin and make the decision on what you need, more than want. Its tough in the wrangler game!
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I just saw the starting price of the 4-doors.... yea they're a bit more... I was hoping to stay below the $25k mark...

I had to cutout the A/c and the power stuff off the 2-door since it kicked it up to just over $25k
David Stanley dodge and jeep in Midwest City OK can pick up a 13 Unlimited for under 25k
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David Stanley dodge and jeep in Midwest City OK can pick up a 13 Unlimited for under 25k
im in california, boss... thanks for the 411 though... I'll take a shot at what costco has to offer and if push comes to shove I'll ask out of state... but im guessing the delivery is going to be killer...

you guys are really starting to scare me with how uncomfortable the 2D ride maybe... I'll take them both out when I finally get to a dealer... but I'll start with the 2-dr and work to the 4-dr if need be. This is Cali and highways are the only ways...
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im in california, boss... thanks for the 411 though... I'll take a shot at what costco has to offer and if push comes to shove I'll ask out of state... but im guessing the delivery is going to be killer...

you guys are really starting to scare me with how uncomfortable the 2D ride maybe... I'll take them both out when I finally get to a dealer... but I'll start with the 2-dr and work to the 4-dr if need be. This is Cali and highways are the only ways...
Don't be intimidated by the ride of the 2 door. I just traded my crew cab Tacoma in on a 4 door and now have both 2 and 4 door jeeps. The ride in the 2 door will be more bouncy, but not harsher than the Tacoma. The seats and suspension on the jeeps softens the road bumps more than the Tacoma. The 4 door will ride more like standard suv and be smoother overall, but neither is a terrible ride. The plush seats are more enjoyable over distance than the sport seats on the Tacoma.
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The Tacoma I have has the bench. It's literally a pain over distance. Lumbar support is non existent. The ride is ok. It's tight like leaf springs supposed to be and the front is adequate. Nothing to write home about. Good to have your direct comparison.

While the extra room on the inside is nice. The equipment that I use is mostly hand held stuff. No tools, just lasers and bookie wheels and tape measures. I do have a sedan for the family stuff when needed. So that's not to much of an issue. What was my concern was if the 2dr was going to give kidney failure after the first few hours.

I do have to drive both around but at least I'm not so horrified of the 2dr experience now. That's makes me more relaxed about the price too.
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jaov2k - the two door is fine. We've had ours 5 years now and I know it may be hard to believe, but we can still sit and walk after driving in it. Compared to the older Wranglers the JK (2 and 4 doors) is a lot friendlier on you.

If you need extra room in a 2 door just take out the back seat. We took ours out and maybe put it back in once or twice a year.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:10 AM   #18
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jaov2k - the two door is fine. We've had ours 5 years now and I know it may be hard to believe, but we can still sit and walk after driving in it. Compared to the older Wranglers the JK (2 and 4 doors) is a lot friendlier on you.

If you need extra room in a 2 door just take out the back seat. We took ours out and maybe put it back in once or twice a year.
Thank you so much for you input...

So far it's looking like a 2012/13 4x4 2dr wrangler sport, bright white, with half doors (I have another thread going regarding this topic) and the 3.73 axle.

I guess I HAVE to get the A/C when purchasing the half doors for some reason. I don't understand why though. Kinda defeats the purpose of the half doors? Idk...

I totally just cracked a big grin! Muhahahaha....

Thanks guys, you're a great bunch...

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I looked at both JK's and JKU's and decided for ME the JK was what I wanted. I'm OLD SCHOOL and just feel more comfortable with the 2 door. For the most part it's just me or me and one other in the Jeep. It's not a travel vehicle for me so I could take the back seat out if I wanted too.

Mine is BARE BONES! Got it for under 24K. No door locks, no power windows, no key fob even! There are a few times I'd like some of the nicer things, but this Jeep harkens back to my first CJ7 from the 70's and I loved that old Jeep, I wanted one that would remind me of that one and I have no regrets.

That being said, the ride of this new JK is spot on for me! No complaints either on the road or off-road. Gosh it's so much better than my past Jeeps either the CJ or the TJ.

The do say the seats in the 13 are better than the 12's. I find my 12 JK to be fine for me. They are firm and supportive and my wife and I have taken some long day trips in the Jeep in relative comfort. Being that we are both LATE 50's that does say something.

It is nice to start out on a nice Fall morning, with the top up and the heater keeping us warm and cozy. By noon the top is either in the sunrider open position or the top is all the way down. If it gets cool, the top goes back up and away we go. Simply wonderful!

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"Being that we are both LATE 50's that does say something."
Indeed. Excellent reference.

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join treadlightly... you'll get your new jeep at 1% below invoice. then you can get your AC back... maybe even the tow package.

i know you said you're not hauling anything... but the upgraded gears and stiffer springs will make you happier in the long run.

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join treadlightly... you'll get your new jeep at 1% below invoice. then you can get your AC back... maybe even the tow package.

i know you said you're not hauling anything... but the upgraded gears and stiffer springs will make you happier in the long run.

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I wonder if discounts stack? I liked the Costco program, too. So I wonder if the Costco discount will be included with the tread lightly one....?
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I wonder if discounts stack? I liked the Costco program, too. So I wonder if the Costco discount will be included with the tread lightly one....?
worst they can do is say no... and bring the offer to multiple dealers.. you'll find that many will go far below the 1% under invoice to earn your business....

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join treadlightly... you'll get your new jeep at 1% below invoice. then you can get your AC back... maybe even the tow package.

i know you said you're not hauling anything... but the upgraded gears and stiffer springs will make you happier in the long run.

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Not seeing the upgraded gears and springs as part of the "trailer tow group" just a hitch and connector...I'm looking at a 2dr Sport.

Edit: I just checked out the sticky, it includes the 3.73 which I'm already upgrading and the hitch/connector...
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Not seeing the upgraded gears and springs as part of the "trailer tow group" just a hitch and connector...I'm looking at a 2dr Sport.

Edit: I just checked out the sticky, it includes the 3.73 which I'm already upgrading and the hitch/connector...
i am pretty sure with the upgraded gears and the hitch they use the stiffer springs... i believe that was the purpose for the various rates and lengths to begin with.... i am not sure that's an option per say.. just makes sense that they put heavier duty springs on there with the tow package....

i could be wrong though...
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but my "area," where my "field" jobs are located, are in the mountains of Big Creek, northeast of Fresno. If you're familiar with this area you'll know that driving into those mountains requires chains during the winter and can get rough on the mountain roads. While the tacoma maybe enough to handle the big creek area, I'd definitely would feel more comfortable with a v6 and 4x4.

I'll be driving to big creek, stay a few days, and back about once a week. It's about a 6 hour drive one way.

I wish I had your job
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2-DR all the way. I don't know you, but I get the feeling from your posts you will be right at home in a 2-dr. I love my 2-dr with 3.73s. Jeep has balls, is a blast to drive, and is pretty diesel off-road bone stock (suspension/tires wise). I'm 31, and I use mine as my DD but my commute is only about 12 miles on some residential roads. But I've also already taken it on some 300 mi + road trips and was pretty damn comfortable the entire time. If you're riding solo you can fit a ton of crap in there too with the seat just folded forward (or you can take it out completely).
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RAWR! I <3 my J.O.B.

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"...I don't know you, but I get the feeling from your posts you will be right at home in a 2-dr."
good judge of character... im 35... so not to far off the mark...

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So I called my "Costco dealer" and to make a long story short, he slipped the name of the dealer which had the jeep I was looking for. I dig the dealer up and he had the exact jeep I was looking for at a RIDICULOUS price! I was gonna walk out of there with a $19,899 jeep. White, 2dr, softtop, 3.73, W/ AC!! WAAAATTT!!???

anywho... he wanted to scalp me with the trade in... $12k for a 2012 tacoma with 4400 miles on it... i was like $15k or I go home...

needless to say I went home...

But 1) I got to test drive it and it shifted and felt good... not to tight on the suspension. 2) I know dealers can go ~$4k under msrp... I haz documentation... muhahahaha... but the search continues... *sigh*

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I did look into joining Treadlightly.org for the 1% discount. I discovered its a $100 membership fee which on a ~$24k jeep is $240 - $100 fee = $140 net discount, which at the end of the day is $140 that no body else is going to give for free...but I do have questions:

What other benefits have you guys discovered or use regularly from the membership, other than having signed up for the 1% discount?
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The trade-game is just that... an illusion... You found a crazy deal on a Jeep, so the trade is going to be lower. You'll get $15K for your Tacoma... on a $23K Jeep...

Check out Black Book and you'll see the wholesale price for your truck. They might go above book a bit for a great unit, but they can basically go to auction and buy at/near book value all day long. In some ways it isn't fair - but on the other hand, you also have access to 1000's of dealers online... so everyone is playing in one big playground now.
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good judge of character... im 35... so not to far off the mark...

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So I called my "Costco dealer" and to make a long story short, he slipped the name of the dealer which had the jeep I was looking for. I dig the dealer up and he had the exact jeep I was looking for at a RIDICULOUS price! I was gonna walk out of there with a $19,899 jeep. White, 2dr, softtop, 3.73, W/ AC!! WAAAATTT!!???

anywho... he wanted to scalp me with the trade in... $12k for a 2012 tacoma with 4400 miles on it... i was like $15k or I go home...

needless to say I went home...

But 1) I got to test drive it and it shifted and felt good... not to tight on the suspension. 2) I know dealers can go ~$4k under msrp... I haz documentation... muhahahaha... but the search continues... *sigh*

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I did look into joining Treadlightly.org for the 1% discount. I discovered its a $100 membership fee which on a ~$24k jeep is $240 - $100 fee = $140 net discount, which at the end of the day is $140 that no body else is going to give for free...but I do have questions:

What other benefits have you guys discovered or use regularly from the membership, other than having signed up for the 1% discount?
Go to Carmax. They can give you a quick quote on how much they'll buy your Tacoma for. You don't even have to buy anything from them. Otherwise, yeah, shop around. You could also list yours in the classifieds. I've had the best luck with Craigslist and Auto Trader.

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