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Old 02-28-2012, 05:45 PM   #1
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Thinking of a Wrangler

So I am doing my research on a wrangler...and thinking about getting an Unlimited. I have read about the Death Shake...and about changing the bolts, and about it not really being an issue if you do not get it lifted. I have read about the leaks, and the no leaks.

Thing is, those reviews are crap to me. I want to hear from the Die Hard Jeep Riders. Do the JK's suck!!!!???? I am probably going to buy used so I am not in the market for an 2011 or 2012...probably 2007 or 2008.

The car is going to be my daily driver...and with that said my daily commute is roughly...1.5 miles. I own a dog boarding/grooming facility and want something easy to wash out. I also was looking at the FJ cruiser...but hey you can't even get a sunroof on those things...and I like fresh air and Sun! I would love to get into some off roading every now n then...but at the moment...hell it might never see dirt, but I want that to change...because I need a little adventure and all around LIVING in my life.

So how are these Unlimiteds, are they lemons... are they easy enough to work on if something does go wrong? Does something break on you all the time? Or does taking the tops and the doors off, and just the sheer fun factor of driving them make up for any other problems?

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we wouldn't all be here on the Forum if Jeep made a crappy product. That said - new cars will have issues. when you ready the forum, people tend to be very vocal about their problems. The Jeeps have a warranty - buy from a good dealer and make sure they stand by their products - that goes for any car. Jeeps are Jeeps - so there are differences between a Camry and a Jeep - because of the inherent design.
I would suggest a 2012 if you can - the new engine gets a lot of praise compared to the 2011 and before.
It is a little bit of a jump - I ordered my Jeep ( and my first "American" vehicle - even though Fiat owns Chrysler) in early Feb and have been following the forums intently.
The Death Wobble thing is interesting - read the posts - seems like it's easy swap out the offending bolts - I agree we shouldn't have to do this on a new car. I see literally dozens of Jeeps in my neighborhood every day , I assume none are really used off road and I assume none changed out the bolts (most are un-modded - so I assume people just buy them , drive them and don't have too many issues).
I spoke to random Jeep owners in parking lots prior to buying - they all loved their Wranglers.

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Most of what Marco1230 told you is dead on, except the 2012 part. There is nothing wrong with the 3.8 despite what the 2012'ers think. It is a proven engine that will get you 250k plus. Some of the new 3.6's are having issues that make me wonder about them long term.
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First off its a jeep not a car...... You will not have any problems If you don't lift it, Its not bad to lift one but it has to be done right. BTW welcome to the forum
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I have never understood the rush to do fashion mods on any vehicle.

Given my JK has more clearance than any stock rig I've owned in the last 25 years, and what my typical driving needs really are....I don't see a lift anytime in my future.

So far I've put 20k more miles on a used JK I bought 14 months ago, for a now total of 36k miles.

No problems.

Look around and drive at LEAST a dozen used models that appeal to you, and go check out a few dealers to see what they got for what cost as well.

I've had 3 prior Jeeps, and the JK is the best one in all manner, of any of those...granted 45CJ; 54 Willys Overland and 76 J2000 really aren't in the same millennium as the others.

The JK is the first one I'd be happy to head out to cross the continent at the break of dawn tomorrow.
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I had an 09 Sahara Unlimited for 2 years and 24,000 miles. I bought it brand new and never once had to take it back to the dealer for any issues. I kept it completely stock. The only issue I had was the lack of power from the 3.8L (IMO). When I heard they were changing out the engine and tranny for 2012, I knew I had to have another. I love the new interior as well, huge upgrade (2011+).

This time I went with a 2-Dr Sport.
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Don't think, just do. You will LOVE it, as all of us do. Even with the querks of the Jeep, its still an unbeatable vehicle. With so much potential and individualization able to be done. Welcome to the forum!
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I own an 07 FJ (6 speed). I really like the way it drives and the overall reliability of a Toyota, but it's no Jeep in the snow. (I like a solid axle up front - not a fan of the FJ's independent front).

My wife owns a 2011 JKU and she will probably never buy anything else. The extra room is a big plus. Having said that, she's trading it and we're going to pick up her 2012 JKU in BFG next Saturday. (She wants the 3.6)

I'm also waiting (not so patiently) for my 2012 JK Rubicon in WC to arrive. I'm trading a 97 SE. (tired of the 4 cylinder)

I would trade the FJ but it only has 40K on it, and it has a nice amount of extra room in the back.

IMO Jeep > FJ
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Thanks for the replies guys. Seems like a cool community. I will probably frequent often, please don't flame me too bad for the newb questions I might ask lol. I will let you guys know when the purchase is made....with pics of course.
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Thanks for the replies guys. Seems like a cool community. I will probably frequent often, please don't flame me too bad for the newb questions I might ask lol. I will let you guys know when the purchase is made....with pics of course.
Don't worry, we were all newbs at some point, no matter what some of these guys say. If you have a general question, best to use the "search" feature and you can most likely find any and all information about what you are looking for. If not, feel free to make a post, I'm sure we all love reading and posting, just be weary that it can get off topic, really quick sometimes too!
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Go for it, i have now had two wrangler 4 doors, both are awesome. I got the 2011 because in forums like these many jeepers said if i wait for a version with a bigger (more powerful) motor i could be waiting one year or five years...so i bit the bullet and bought it, ordered it from the factory before local dealers even knew they could (mid 2010)...then of course the very next year new motor...i got a good enough deal on the 2011 and was getting a good enough deal on the 2012 that all it effected was another $30/month on my payment getting the 2012 and selling the 2011, actually had two identical jeeps for a few weeks :-) .

Those who say there is nothing wrong with the previous 3.8 motor are right, it is a solid motor, but 200hp...the new one is 285hp and the difference is more than noticeable. For me it means im no longer considering long term doing major motor upgrades, and im more than content with the current power...in the 2011, though again i loved it, i was frequently annoyed with the lack of power.

With that said im not a serious jeeper, daily driver and a lot more pavement then dirt, but i do get it on trails now and then. the thing I love the most about it is summer, that top comes off in may and stays off until October - love it! so for that, new motor or old motor doesn't matter...if you get one you'll never want to get rid of it.
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Go for it, i have now had two wrangler 4 doors, both are awesome. I got the 2011 because in forums like these many jeepers said if i wait for a version with a bigger (more powerful) motor i could be waiting one year or five years...so i bit the bullet and bought it, ordered it from the factory before local dealers even knew they could (mid 2010)...then of course the very next year new motor...i got a good enough deal on the 2011 and was getting a good enough deal on the 2012 that all it effected was another $30/month on my payment getting the 2012 and selling the 2011, actually had two identical jeeps for a few weeks :-) .

Those who say there is nothing wrong with the previous 3.8 motor are right, it is a solid motor, but 200hp...the new one is 285hp and the difference is more than noticeable. For me it means im no longer considering long term doing major motor upgrades, and im more than content with the current power...in the 2011, though again i loved it, i was frequently annoyed with the lack of power.

With that said im not a serious jeeper, daily driver and a lot more pavement then dirt, but i do get it on trails now and then. the thing I love the most about it is summer, that top comes off in may and stays off until October - love it! so for that, new motor or old motor doesn't matter...if you get one you'll never want to get rid of it.
That sucks man, at least you didn't lose much, these things really hold their value, but that will change for the older models as 2012 models start coming up used. I agree about the engine, you really notice those extra 85 horses. You don't need to give it 80% TP to get it to move from a stand still, and the gas mileage is the same if not better.
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The 285 hp definitely sounds like a plus. But I put myself on a spending budget!!! So I am leaning towards the earlier JK yrs. Plus in the future I can do some engine mods if need be, or trade it in if I love it, but want more power.
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The 285 hp definitely sounds like a plus. But I put myself on a spending budget!!! So I am leaning towards the earlier JK yrs. Plus in the future I can do some engine mods if need be, or trade it in if I love it, but want more power.
The earlier models rock, too. The attraction to a Wrangler for me is that the roof and doors come off, and it'll go just about anywhere you point it. There are lots of people out there who wouldn't have bought one without the Pentastar engine, but I'm no one of em.
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That sucks man, at least you didn't lose much, these things really hold their value, but that will change for the older models as 2012 models start coming up used. I agree about the engine, you really notice those extra 85 horses. You don't need to give it 80% TP to get it to move from a stand still, and the gas mileage is the same if not better.
It won't change. 2006 TJ's didn't change. It's just wishful thinking by 2012'ers who want to feel superior. First they said as soon as the 2012's come out. Now it's as soon as they show up used. News flash! You can already buy used 2012's. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/wtf...us-141263.html

The real difference is the automatic transmission. The 4sp and 3.21 gearing, coupled with the larger, heavier 4 dr made it feel sluggish. I have a manual 2 dr. with 3.73 and there is nothing slow or sluggish about it.

I also don't have ticking in my left cylinder head.
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It won't change. 2006 TJ's didn't change. It's just wishful thinking by 2012'ers who want to feel superior. First they said as soon as the 2012's come out. Now it's as soon as they show up used. News flash! You can already buy used 2012's. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/wtf...us-141263.html

The real difference is the automatic transmission. The 4sp and 3.21 gearing, coupled with the larger, heavier 4 dr made it feel sluggish. I have a manual 2 dr. with 3.73 and there is nothing slow or sluggish about it.

I also don't have ticking in my left cylinder head.

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The 285 hp definitely sounds like a plus. But I put myself on a spending budget!!! So I am leaning towards the earlier JK yrs. Plus in the future I can do some engine mods if need be, or trade it in if I love it, but want more power.
According to some of the hoodoo voodoo dyno threads on WF your 285hp 2012 wrangler is a mere 160 rwhp. Sounds more like a hamster wheel under the hood, nothing im running out and buying. Ill spend 3k on a 3.8l supercharger thanks.
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It won't change. 2006 TJ's didn't change. It's just wishful thinking by 2012'ers who want to feel superior. First they said as soon as the 2012's come out. Now it's as soon as they show up used. News flash! You can already buy used 2012's. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/wtf...us-141263.html

The real difference is the automatic transmission. The 4sp and 3.21 gearing, coupled with the larger, heavier 4 dr made it feel sluggish. I have a manual 2 dr. with 3.73 and there is nothing slow or sluggish about it.

I also don't have ticking in my left cylinder head.
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According to some of the hoodoo voodoo dyno threads on WF your 285hp 2012 wrangler is a mere 160 rwhp. Sounds more like a hamster wheel under the hood, nothing im running out and buying. Ill spend 3k on a 3.8l supercharger thanks.
Let's put all this engine comparison stuff in perspective. The CJ series had engines that put out HP in the double digits (like a 60'ish HP L-head). The 304 AMC V8 in my CJ5 puts out a whopping net 125 hp at the wheels (I think making it the most powerful engine they put in a CJ. There are other engines, like the Dauntless V6, that have listed HP and torque values greater than the V8, but those were GROSS values, not NET, if I remember correctly; apples to oranges.). Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.

My CJ5 has DOUBLE the HP as a stock CJ2 or CJ3 with an L-head. The power difference between the 3.8 and 3.6 is much less significant than that doubling. In any case, pop that CJ3A and my CJ5 in 4L, and then let's compare. Better yet, put my 3.8 and a 3.6 in 4L, and see which one performs better. (And of course, gearing and trannys have a lot to do with performance, but that's a discussion for a different day).

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Let's put all this engine comparison stuff in perspective. The CJ series had engines that put out HP in the double digits (like a 60'ish HP L-head). The 304 AMC V8 in my CJ5 puts out a whopping net 125 hp at the wheels (I think making it the most powerful engine they put in a CJ. There are other engines, like the Dauntless V6, that have listed HP and torque values greater than the V8, but those were GROSS values, not NET, if I remember correctly; apples to oranges.). Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.

My CJ5 has DOUBLE the HP as a stock CJ2 or CJ3 with an L-head. The power difference between the 3.8 and 3.6 is much less significant than that doubling. In any case, pop that CJ3A and my CJ5 in 4L, and then let's compare. Better yet, put my 3.8 and a 3.6 in 4L, and see which one performs better. (And of course, gearing and trannys have a lot to do with performance, but that's a discussion for a different day).

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Dose11, I'm pretty new to Jeeps. Purchased my 2012 4 door January 13. I really love this ride. The 3.6 has all the power I could ever need and the 5 speed auto works perfect. I've heard all the storys about ticking heads on the 3.6. It has a 100,000 mile warenty so I'm not too worried. My old Harley had a valve train that sounded like a old singer sowing machine but it never gave me an ounce of trouble. These Jeeps are such fun to drive. I love the 4 door because of the added room and the way it drives out on the road. Above everything else, mine is a daily driver. Just jump in there and get what you want, new or used. You will not be sorry.

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