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Old 10-06-2011, 10:00 AM   #1
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Hey everyone, I'm new and just thought I'd seek the advice of some Jeep veterans. I was thinking on purchasing a 2007-2009 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited with around 50K on it as I recently got a job up in the mountains about an hour away and need a good 4x4 vehicle for the hike and possible snow. Also wouldn't mind doing some off-roading every now and again. I've always loved the look of Jeeps and have a few friends who have had them over the years and I've always just liked riding in one. The ones I am looking at are mostly in the year 2008 and have both hard and soft tops.

My only concerns are that I've heard that two things plague Jeep Wranglers from this generation...the "death wobble" and leaking at the seals of the doors and possibly the top. I was just wondering how common this actually is? I'd love a Jeep but I really don't have the luxury of constantly being able to take it in the shop every few months or so. It will have a certified warranty and I'm buying from official Jeep dealers, but it's just a hassle time-wise if it's a continual every few months kind of thing and will still cost me SOMETHING.

Would a Jeep with around 50K have most of these bugs already worked out by now? At least the ones from the factory? Or is this a never-ending plague for certain Wranglers? What's your experience been with a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited from this generation?

Any info would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

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Don't worry about it. There is only a very small percentage of Jeep owners who deal with leaking tops. I've had both hard and soft and never had one drop of water get through.

As far as the death wobble, it usually occurs when the Jeep is lifted. Leaving some components loose is usually the culprit to the shaking. If you are planning on lifting it, just make sure it is a good quality lift and that it installed properly.

Like you said, I would suspect that with you buying used, there will not be these problems because they would have already been fixed by the previous owner.

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07 (used) no leaks, no DW (yet) lol

And I agree with buying from a jeep dealer only. IMO their CPO vehicles are in great shape. I believe they only certify a vehicle if it has remaining factory warranty still--under 36,000 miles.

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Old 10-06-2011, 11:34 AM   #4
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O8 JKUR, bought new. Has never leaked, no death wobble.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:47 PM   #5
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Thanks, gentlemen. I've just read quite a few horror stories and I wasn't sure if the DW and leaking were 5-6 out of every 1,000 Jeep Wranglers or a much higher number like 100 out of ever 1,000. I figured the people with problems would be much more vocal than the people that never had any problems at all so maybe that's why I saw so many bad stories involving the DW and leaking.

I don't plan on using a lift kit or anything like that, I prefer to have everything as close to stock as possible but maybe with a few mods like a better exhaust and some light additions and what have you but nothing messing with the suspension. The car I'm trading in is in tip-top shape, it's an '06 Mustang GT with only 22K on it and I've had some fun with it but with the new job, family in the near future, and the winters being so bad up here it's about time for a 4x4 and like I said, I always liked the Jeeps and Wranglers especially.

Thanks for your input. Anything else you could share or suggest would be greatly appreciated too, thanks.
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" I figured the people with problems would be much more vocal than the people that never had any problems at all"


Do you realize that some will never figure that out?
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As for the leaking, you are getting a convertible :-) They all leak one time or another. Specially if you let them sit in the driveway with the top down during a rain storm.

I had a Mustang GT convertible once that had a major leak. It never closed the top by itself when the rain started
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i bought an 08 unlimited last week with 48k miles on it. i dont have any idea if the previous owners took the back part of the top off, but i drove it home in a rainstorm an hour and a half and inspected for water inside when i got home... dry as a bone.
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2007 here: no "death wobble", no leaks.
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I don't think I've ever heard anyone with a stock Jeep complain about the Death Wobble. I've only had a few minor leaks from my 08 JK and none so far with my 2011 but they way I figure it is that there are big drain holes in the floor for a reason

Good call trading in your '06 Mustang GT now. With the 2011 six bangers making almost the same horsepower I imagine their value is taking a hit.
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Death Wobble is rare and not just a Wrangler issue. It effects any 4 X 4 that is modified and not properly maintained or worn parts. DW is not a Jeep only issue, it just that more Jeeps are lifted and modified and many lifted too far.

Not sure why the DW and leaks are coming from two newbies all of a sudden....Wrangler2012?
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Shepard, let me add that you can get a brand new 2011 Wrangler Sport right now for just under $20K with rebates. So unless you are looking at an older one with low miles but a lot of bells and whistles you may want to look into a new one as the price difference may not be all that great.
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I would check with Consumer Reports and Forbes prior to purchasing any used Jeep.
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:36 PM   #14
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Oil and water--JK and dirt getit?

Most JK's are street queens. Bought because it's a "sweet ride" and hardly abused like some of dem older jeeps.

Would not worry about buying one used for it was probably driven for 3 yrs and traded In for a new (faster) jeep.

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07 people keep askin me "is it new?"

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Old 10-08-2011, 06:49 AM   #15
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My GC 2004 must of been a Friday Monday car, it has bugs that I cant get rid of, So I bought a new JKU Sahara and never looked back.

Some have problems and some dont. I would buy secondhand from a dealer as you have somebody to complain to.
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:26 AM   #16
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Thanks for the info guys. I've only actually visited one dealer so far and they basically tried to screw me over. To give you an example, their pricing of a 2009 Jeep Wrangler Sport (Not Unlimited) with stock features and no "bells and whistles" and 80K on it was around the price of several other Unlimiteds with half of the mileage I've seen around online and from other dealers after I started looking a bit further than 50 miles out.

I think they priced it at around 20 grand, I was just beside myself and walked out right there. They came back with a better offer before I got to my car but it was still garbage and I could tell it was going to be a waste of my time. I understand them wanting to make a few grand profit, but 7-8 grand? Not off of me.

The guy tried telling me "Well...they (Jeeps) hold their value extremely well"...well, sorry buddy, not THAT well where they cost almost as much or even more than a brand new one with that many miles on them. It seems South-Western Pennsylvania is plagued with car dealerships that will try to screw you just like everything else here. Oh well, back to the search. Thanks for all your input once again everybody.
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Then Again if somebody on this forum is wanting to sell instead of trade in on a 2012 Jeep. You at least get an understanding of the jeep by reading through there posts. You will know all issues as they would of sort advice through here.
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Thanks for the info guys. I've only actually visited one dealer so far and they basically tried to screw me over. To give you an example, their pricing of a 2009 Jeep Wrangler Sport (Not Unlimited) with stock features and no "bells and whistles" and 80K on it was around the price of several other Unlimiteds with half of the mileage I've seen around online and from other dealers after I started looking a bit further than 50 miles out.

I think they priced it at around 20 grand, I was just beside myself and walked out right there. They came back with a better offer before I got to my car but it was still garbage and I could tell it was going to be a waste of my time. I understand them wanting to make a few grand profit, but 7-8 grand? Not off of me.

The guy tried telling me "Well...they (Jeeps) hold their value extremely well"...well, sorry buddy, not THAT well where they cost almost as much or even more than a brand new one with that many miles on them. It seems South-Western Pennsylvania is plagued with car dealerships that will try to screw you just like everything else here. Oh well, back to the search. Thanks for all your input once again everybody.
Agree. They do hold value
In good shape low miles, a few thousand less than KBB/NADA seems right.
My 07 Rubicon (38,000) list in KBB for $26,000, they were asking $23,300 and I ended up paying $22,000 and $1500 for the ex warranty ( originally $2000 ) I think I did alright. The jeep is in pristine condition. It
Also it did not have carpet when I test drove it either, I told them "I'm not going to buy it without carpet". They installed brand new carpet for me, It smelled like a new vehicle after. I told everybody at work it was brand new and only one dude looked at me funny. Only issue is the hinges are bubbly and corroding--very common on these jeeps. The tires also are
Stock w/ 38,000 (hello 5 tire rotation) haha.

I did have to bring it in to fix the parking brake.

Also my clutch pedal started to feel weird.
documented but nothing was done said to "drive it and see if it gets worse" o-well.

Enough rambling, back to bed (lazy)

Keep looking, you will find one.
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Considering that you can buy a 2011 Wrangler Sport for less than 18K brand new...

http://www.cars.com/go/search/emailT...18&id=55779883

20K for a used base model is a bit of a ripoff...
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Thanks, guys. The Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep dealers around here are pretty awful. Anybody who lives in South-Western Pennsylvania can agree with me on this. Just about everything around here is trying to rip you off in someway. The only good dealer that I've dealt with was a Ford dealer in the area but unfortunately they don't have anything that interests me in stock.

I guess all I can do is keep looking and hoping I find something reasonable.
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I recently purchased a TJ, my first Jeep. In my shopping I was always amazed how inexpensive new Wranglers were relative to their used counterperts.
If I was looking for a newer Wrangler say in the $20k range, I'd just go for brand new and be done with it.
That said, Love my 2000 sahara and it was onlt $6800....
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Considering that you can buy a 2011 Wrangler Sport for less than 18K brand new...

http://www.cars.com/go/search/emailT...18&id=55779883

20K for a used base model is a bit of a ripoff...
new is cheaper than used these days
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new is cheaper than used these days
That's 110% true jeeps just keep they're value well
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Hey guys, thought I'd give you an update since you've all been helpful. I recently found what I think is a pretty good deal on a Wrangler Unlimited. I really liked it and put a $100 deposit down on it, which I can get back if I decide not to purchase the car but I wanted your valued opinions as well!

I went to a few dealerships this morning with my Dad, brought him along since he's worked around cars from his days in the Navy and worked for VW after he got out and it never hurts to bring someone who knows more than you that you can trust so, hey, why not. I really didn't see anything that caught my eye, the one dealership was charging around 22K for a Wrangler Unlimited 2007 with 50K on it and although that's around what a lot of others were going for, meh, it was still a little much. Another one we looked at with another dealership had 70K on it and was pretty beat up and he wanted 19K for it and really had base everything so...blahs.

Well on our way home, my Dad saw a Ford dealer and he said "Hey, they might have something? I'm sure they get Jeeps in on trade-ins every once and awhile?" and I was like "Eh, I doubt it...but sure, why not." Hah, boy, am I glad I brought him along. Turns out, they just got in that very morning a few hours before we got there the following vehicle...

It's a 2008 Wrangler Unlimited Sahara in Dark Green with just over 38K on it and one previous owner and a clean carfax report. The guy that had it traded it in towards a top-end Ford Lariat. It has a hard top, automatic, 4x4, power windows, locks, air conditioning, but it also has some bells and whistles like chrome on the outside, factory lift kit with steps, and the navigation system/computer which is pretty neat as I was playing around with it when I took it for a test drive.

I expected him to say they were selling it for around 28K because that's what I saw similar models going for around the area...but he said it'd probably be around 25 and I talked to my Dad while they were looking at my Mustang that I'm going to trade-in and we both agreed that was a good price considering what others were going for and eventually we were able to get him down to 24K AND have them run it through the shop to make sure everything is okay/repair anything that needs repairing, clean/detail it, and put 4 all new tires on it because he liked my GT since it was so low in miles and in great shape and they were pretty friendly all in all. I've had older friends that I shoot trap with do business with them and had nothing but good things to say about them too. He was also going to see if Chrysler/Jeep still has a warranty with that car and get back to me Monday since they aren't open tomorrow.

So what do you guys think? Should I take it? I'm planning on it but I just wanted some advice and opinions. Although I test drove it and it ran fine, the tires were almost bald and real aggressive tread so it was a rough ride and he even said "Yeah, those tires are annoying and need replaced, we can put the same or all season on if you want" so I'll probably just go with an all-season tire so I'm sure it'll be a bit smoother. Then again, it's a Jeep, hah, I don't expect a Caddy smooth ride. Not like my Stang was much better on the roads around here so I'm used to it.

Also, I'm thinking on paying the extra 500 and having it rust proofed, any thoughts on that on as to whether or not I should get it done or not? I has some superficial rust underneath the vehicle but nothing on the body or paint itself, it looks great despite not even being cleaned or detailed yet. They even said that they'd get that little rust underneath off if I got it rust proofed so I think that's pretty solid. Sorry for the long post, guys but it's a major development in my Wrangler search so, hah, thought I'd share. Well, look forward to hearing from you guys, thanks!
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Sounds like you're getting offered a good deal. And the way to know if it's a good deal is if it feels like a good deal. That's what I was always told, atleast.

If you like it and you'll be happy with the payments, go for it. Sounds like they're going to treat you right.
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Hey Man,

Before you pull the trigger, check out true car pricing on a new 2011 in your area, and then go to the dealer and tell them to knock off another 5-7% for a 2011 brand new. I am not sure it would make sense to me to buy a 3 yr old jeep for close to the same pricing as a 2011 (IMHO) which has the new interior. Take a look at the finance rates, they are 0%. I live in California and dealers are willing to go $10,000 bucks off a rubicon 2011 with msrp right around 39,000. So I do not see why you could not get a 2011 sahara with some options and msrp of around 34,000 for around high 26k range and with 0 percent financing you are going to save 3-4k easy on used financing. Reality is that the 2011's are going to get sold at steep discounts (perfect storm with the new engine and the economy) so that is only going to pull down the used JK market pricing in the near term. I almost closed on a 2011 from a dealer a month ago I initially offered 11k off msrp for a rubicon msrp 38,500, than final offered at 9k off msrp, dealer looked at me like I was smoking crack. Guess what now two dealers within 40 miles of that dealer are offering 8500 off msrp advertised and I called to check and it is guaranteed, come in and sign they say, there is still room thus on pricing.

If you have the time and can be patient I would wait until December and narrow down your choices on color and options and then just troll dealer to dealer, there will still be 2011's for sale and you will be able to get a smoking deal, just be prepared to walk away a few times until you find the right deal.
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Thanks, guys. Pinotg, it's a lot diff in PA. Not sure if you're in Northern or Southern Cal but where I'm at and where I need to go for my new job up in the mountains the weather gets awful in the winters so I don't know if it's possible to wait until December. I did visit several dealerships because I figured the 2011s would be a good bit cheaper with the 2012s out as well but every dealer I went too only was knocking 1-2 grand off of msrp. They had base Saharas going for 27-28K brand new and had no intention on coming down much or giving me 0%APR despite my good credit history.
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Hi Commander,

Definitely sounds like things are a little different in PA and you definitely can't wait till december with the weather you will go through there. Living in castal california the worst I deal with is rain. I ended up having to go down to southern california to get my jeep, but it was well worth it and the right deal. My only suggestion would be to take a look at surrounding areas and states and price out what you are looking for on TRUE CAR. I was interested to see what pricing was like in Pennsylvania so I went on true car and found 15% off msrp for a base sahara 2011. I have bought a car using true car and it is very easy, you can print out the price quote and guarantee and take it to dealers near you and see if they will match or if they are part of truecar network. Also, you should be able to get at the worst 1.9% financing for 72 months. Jeeps website is advertising it so I would point that out to dealers. I was approved for 0% 60 mos on 2011 with a fico score of 715 and if I was in the high 600s I would of qualified for 1.9%. Bottom line is the dealers there are not shooting straight to you if you have good credit above 680 and can't get financing for under 1.9% on a 2011. Anyways, just my 2 cents I got screwed by a dealer a couple car purchases ago and now make it my personal crusade to make sure people know their options. No matter what you get you will be happy because its a JEEP!
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I really appreciate it, pinotg! I'll see what they say once they get ahold of the banks Monday since they were closed over the weekend. They'll probably give me a ring here Monday morning and if they don't by noon then I'll give them one and see what's up. I'll check out that true car and see what I can find on there. The Wranglers are pretty hot selling around here with the weather we get and all of the off-road enthusiasts so that's a big reason the dealers around aren't willing to go a whole lot lower than MSRP.

Two winters ago, we had a series of huge storms and I had a '94 Pontiac Grand Prix and my Mom had an '05 Chrysler Seabring and neither one of us could get out of our neighbourhood for almost an entire week. I'd spend hours shoveling and digging to no avail. No school or work for us that week and even the following week it was tough to get around, and we don't even live in the mountains! This was in the city! My father has a Dodge Ram with AWD and even he had trouble getting out for work because it was 5-6 days before they could even get to us to plow our roads.

I've had fun with my Mustang GT the past year and a half and I've been blessed with a mild winter this past year, but I just have a feeling it's going to be a rough one this year and with me going up the mountains for my new job...yeah, hah. Maybe someday in the future I'll get a fun summer car that I can vroom vroom in, love the new Challenger RT models, ahhh, someday.

Thanks again and I'll keep everyone updated as well.
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