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Old 03-29-2010, 11:07 PM   #1
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Thinking Wrangler for April...

Hey everyone, long time jealous browser, first time poster :-)

I think it's finally time to replace my DD ('03 Supercharged Grand Prix) in April and I'm getting sick of driving around New England in the Winter that nine times out of ten needs a push to get out of the driveway. Don't get me wrong, I've had a lot of fun with my last two "sports" cars (Is the GP a Sports Car?) but it might be time for a change.

(Feel free to skip the next paragraph, it's a history lesson)

I first started thinking Wrangler about four years ago when I started driving down to CT from MA with a coworker who drove an early 90's model with 200k+ miles on it. He used to pull over onto those slanted overpass walls to show off to those of us who are uninitiated . Anyway, he moved away and I ended up taking the same Connecticut trips with another coworker who picked up an '09 Wrangler Unlimited. Now it's soft top down every trip and it's a real blast . And finally, this past November I helped my GF pick out an '07 Grand Cherokee and got some serious face time with the 2010's in the show room.

So all that said I have a pretty good idea that I've got love for the Wranglers and need to decide if it's what I should be shelling out cash on next month. I've been considering the 2010 Wrangler Sport which seems to run anywhere from 22k-26k depending on options & dealer.

My primary reason to go Wrangler (besides the fact that they just seem to kick ass) is because it seems like an ideal year round vehicle. In the summer I get to put the top down, pull off the doors, and enjoy the ride, and in the Winter I can stop getting stuck in my driveway and at the bottom of the many hills between work & home.

The Jeep would be my DD and I'd be taking it about 25 miles round trip daily in traffic. I don't need luxury, but definitely need comfortable. Not sure it'd get a ton of off road use, though, which seems to be a big reason to get it in the first place. I'd love to cruise along a beach if I could find one that allowed me out there, but I'm not much of a climbing mountains type of guy (yet?..).

Alright, enough babbling. What do the forum masses think about just having a fun Jeep daily driver and weekend cruiser? Will it be too underutilized to make it worth it? Anyone out there want to throw some cold water in my face and tell me to just buy a truck and shut up :-) or could Jeep be the right move?

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Get the Jeep....Had mine a little over a year, nearly 30000 miles and I drive an 18 mile RT to work... If you do the math, I take quite a few road trips.... I love it... some will "complain" about a rough ride and I dont see that as a problem... I have scoliosis, had a spinal fusion and it doesn't bother me, but then driving a Jeep can act as a drug and you forget about some things....

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Ive only had mine for about a month, has only seen pavement so far and I absolutely LOVE it!!! I will be taking it off road in a few weeks for the first time....

GO FOR THE JEEP!!
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This is my first jeep( unlmtd rubi) and I love it! Drives fine as a DD plus it's great fun offroad, a win/win
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First off WELCOME to the forum Chris! I ordered mine mainly for a DD and weekend cruiser. I already have a Chev. shortbed 4X4 I use for a (Timber Truck) and wanted a nice versatile vehicle that was fun to drive and also get around in the winter with no problems. Plus the added features of going off road if so desired.(Luv to go camping in the Colorado mountians!) And have always wanted a JEEP! Supposed to be in TOMORROW!!!
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Get the jeep

I got my 2010 Unlimited Sport a little more than a month ago and LOVE it. I have driven it through a pretty serious snow storm and it did great--even with the stock tires that everyone hates. Mine is a DD (I drive about 70 miles round trip each day for work) and I love every minute of it. Now with the warmer weather coming it's even better. You're right: it IS the perfect year round vehicle. Definitely go with the Jeep. The only thing you might regret is the urge to modify it (I'm in a pickle right now trying to decide if I can afford to mod it at all), but it's definitely completely worth it. You ARE asking a bit of a biased crowd though
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Alright, I'm convinced! :-) Please feel free to keep the positives coming :-)
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I too have been looking at the Wrangler as my next ride.

Here are the negatives,,, to me anyways.

Death Wobble on even stock Wranglers,,, very dangerous.

The new over heating tranny issue, and the fixx from Jeep is a reflash,, that dosnt seem to work.

A new 280hp motor in the near future,,, the mini van motor in it now leaves little to be deisred.

Leaks.

Plastic bushing failing in 4wd. Many have had to be towed. But seems like a simple fixx if you have a spare, and know how and where to install it.

Find these threads, and do more research before you get one.

For myself, I would be happy with a New Wrangler, even with the 3.8, if I didnt face these other problems.
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Welcome to the forum firstly. I have had my 09 unlimited rubi for about 9months. Its a blast. Have not had any problems and whenever you feel like you always go to places where you just cant even think off in a sports car. Have a 01 mustang bullitt in the house too and so know about it.. You'll definitely enjoy it and its definitely an all year round dd.. Go for it..
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Hey everyone, long time jealous browser, first time poster :-)

I think it's finally time to replace my DD ('03 Supercharged Grand Prix) in April and I'm getting sick of driving around New England in the Winter that nine times out of ten needs a push to get out of the driveway. Don't get me wrong, I've had a lot of fun with my last two "sports" cars (Is the GP a Sports Car?) but it might be time for a change.

(Feel free to skip the next paragraph, it's a history lesson)

I first started thinking Wrangler about four years ago when I started driving down to CT from MA with a coworker who drove an early 90's model with 200k+ miles on it. He used to pull over onto those slanted overpass walls to show off to those of us who are uninitiated . Anyway, he moved away and I ended up taking the same Connecticut trips with another coworker who picked up an '09 Wrangler Unlimited. Now it's soft top down every trip and it's a real blast . And finally, this past November I helped my GF pick out an '07 Grand Cherokee and got some serious face time with the 2010's in the show room.

So all that said I have a pretty good idea that I've got love for the Wranglers and need to decide if it's what I should be shelling out cash on next month. I've been considering the 2010 Wrangler Sport which seems to run anywhere from 22k-26k depending on options & dealer.

My primary reason to go Wrangler (besides the fact that they just seem to kick ass) is because it seems like an ideal year round vehicle. In the summer I get to put the top down, pull off the doors, and enjoy the ride, and in the Winter I can stop getting stuck in my driveway and at the bottom of the many hills between work & home.

The Jeep would be my DD and I'd be taking it about 25 miles round trip daily in traffic. I don't need luxury, but definitely need comfortable. Not sure it'd get a ton of off road use, though, which seems to be a big reason to get it in the first place. I'd love to cruise along a beach if I could find one that allowed me out there, but I'm not much of a climbing mountains type of guy (yet?..).

Alright, enough babbling. What do the forum masses think about just having a fun Jeep daily driver and weekend cruiser? Will it be too underutilized to make it worth it? Anyone out there want to throw some cold water in my face and tell me to just buy a truck and shut up :-) or could Jeep be the right move?
Chris ,you got Jeep written all over you. Buy the Jeep wrangler(doesn't matter which one) and enjoy.
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Old 04-02-2010, 12:41 PM   #12
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I too have been looking at the Wrangler as my next ride.

Here are the negatives,,, to me anyways.

Death Wobble on even stock Wranglers,,, very dangerous.

The new over heating tranny issue, and the fixx from Jeep is a reflash,, that dosnt seem to work.

A new 280hp motor in the near future,,, the mini van motor in it now leaves little to be deisred.

Leaks.

Plastic bushing failing in 4wd. Many have had to be towed. But seems like a simple fixx if you have a spare, and know how and where to install it.

Find these threads, and do more research before you get one.

For myself, I would be happy with a New Wrangler, even with the 3.8, if I didnt face these other problems.
96 posts on a Wrangler forum from someone who doesn't have a Wrangler. I have a 2009 Wrangler and have none, absolutely none of the issue you listed. Nearly all of the rest of the Wrangler owners can say the same. The few that do have an issue tend to voice the matter. They also tend to do it on several forums, sometimes with different user names, making it seem like an even bigger problem.

Go to any vehicle forum (The few that do have forums) and you will find the same thing. People with problems will post them. It makes no sense to post that you have had nothing wrong each and every day in every forum.

Buy a Jeep and join us or go away.
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96 posts on a Wrangler forum from someone who doesn't have a Wrangler. I have a 2009 Wrangler and have none, absolutely none of the issue you listed. Nearly all of the rest of the Wrangler owners can say the same. The few that do have an issue tend to voice the matter. They also tend to do it on several forums, sometimes with different user names, making it seem like an even bigger problem.

Go to any vehicle forum (The few that do have forums) and you will find the same thing. People with problems will post them. It makes no sense to post that you have had nothing wrong each and every day in every forum.

Buy a Jeep and join us or go away.

Couldn't disagree with you more......I'd bet you'd be surprised at just how many forum members we have who don't have Jeeps. Nothing says you have to own one to play on this forum or want to be a part of the Jeep lifestyle.

From the research I have done on the new JK, I also have two major concerns: 1. under powered, and 2. the plastic bushing in the transfer case linkage. The second issue is a deal breaker. It's no fun laying in the muck under your rig on a trail reaching up alongside a hot exhaust pipe to bandaid or replace a plastic bushing that failed because one failed to baby the tc shifter.

Many folks join this forum to learn and discuss the options before plunking down their hard earned $$ on a Jeep. We tend to be a great deal more user friendly than some of the boards. Not everyone is a gearhead.
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Thanks Whitey and Silvrevo - I'm knew it wouldn't be all roses and I'm glad someone started throwing out some of the problems

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Many folks join this forum to learn and discuss the options before plunking down their hard earned $$ on a Jeep. We tend to be a great deal more user friendly than some of the boards. Not everyone is a gearhead.
Agreed. I've belonged to half a dozen car clubs and most of them are filled with folks who tend to be quite arrogant, especially towards newbies and those who aren't riders of their car of choice!
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i just got my first wrangler as well a couple months ago, i have and 03 rubi, and i dont think i will ever look back, i had the sports cars ie,awd talon tsi,gt mustang,500hp trans am,audi s4 and none of them are as fun as the jeep, the wave alone has sold me. welcome to the forum and we all look forward to seeing your purchase!
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Well dont get me wrong,, Im not on here wasting my time and bashing the Wrangler,, I owed a 1992 4.0 with lift for 3 yrs and loved it.

I just like to research before I buy.

I was looking at the srt-8 jeep too,,, you should see that forum. Tons and tons problems. Tire seperations, bad bad tire seperations, vibrations at 70mph,, due to transfer case out of balance,, and turing off tc will burn out the tranny,,,

After reading page after page of that crap and the dealers and nhsa doing nothing,,, I passed on the srt-8 jeep.

Im also on the audi tt and gti forums. And i just said the other day,, where are all the posts about problems after problems,,, arnt any.

I would be happy in a Wrangler with no issues,, including this new auto tranny over heating,,, and the delaer just throwing a flash at it? Really?

O well.
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Well dont get me wrong,, Im not on here wasting my time and bashing the Wrangler,, I owed a 1992 4.0 with lift for 3 yrs and loved it.

I just like to research before I buy.

I was looking at the srt-8 jeep too,,, you should see that forum. Tons and tons problems. Tire seperations, bad bad tire seperations, vibrations at 70mph,, due to transfer case out of balance,, and turing off tc will burn out the tranny,,,

After reading page after page of that crap and the dealers and nhsa doing nothing,,, I passed on the srt-8 jeep.

Im also on the audi tt and gti forums. And i just said the other day,, where are all the posts about problems after problems,,, arnt any.

I would be happy in a Wrangler with no issues,, including this new auto tranny over heating,,, and the delaer just throwing a flash at it? Really?

O well.
It's very difficult to read your posts, both grammatically and existentially...

Get the TT; you'll be happier with it. Wheel it in good health.
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Sorry Chris!!! that one brought tears to my eyes!
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I though the tranny overheating issue was on older JKs? I forgot what year(s) I read about that had that issue, but....hasn't it been resolved?
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That's funny, I've been selling Jeeps for the last decade and this is the first I'm hearing about SRT-8 WK's having MAJOR issues...interesting, thank for the heads up, guess we'll discontinue the product, matter of fact, let's discontinue making all Jeeps, that's right, all Jeep production to end today since SILVREVO has heard about some things that have gone wrong with a few vehicles over the years...I thank you for your contribution to this planet and wish you well.

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I was looking at the srt-8 jeep too,,, you should see that forum. Tons and tons problems. Tire seperations, bad bad tire seperations, vibrations at 70mph,, due to transfer case out of balance,, and turing off tc will burn out the tranny,,,


O well.
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I'd get a new rubi, you don't need all that extra jazz in a jeep and the base rubi is what $29K? in you were to max out options in the sport, whats another $3K? especially since the rubi stock is pretty incredible. But hey, you dont ALWAYS have to get a bran spankin new jeep. I absolutely LOVE my TJ had it for 15 months now and 0 problems, plus it sounds like your due for a jeep!
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2. the plastic bushing in the transfer case linkage. The second issue is a deal breaker. It's no fun laying in the muck under your rig on a trail reaching up alongside a hot exhaust pipe to bandaid or replace a plastic bushing that failed because one failed to baby the tc shifter.
When you properly shift the transfer case it doesn't break. If you are worried about it, you can easily replace it with one that isn't plastic.

I have nothing against a healthy discussion. If people didn't bring up issues than others wouldn't be aware of them. If Silverevo wants to research before amking a purchase that's great. However if you've read his posts, all he does is repeat the same thing over and over. It's quite obvious that he would not be happy with a Jeep product and he should move on.
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I would be happy in a Wrangler with no issues,, including this new auto tranny over heating,,, and the delaer just throwing a flash at it? Really?

O well.
ANY automatic transmission will overheat under certain conditions. Especially in sand. The issue was there was no way to be aware of the condition. The "flash" that was "thrown" at it was a temperature indicator. If your trans overheats, shut it down and let it cool off. If you are in constantly in conditions that cause it to overheat, get a tranmission cooler.
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Couldn't disagree with you more.......
Which part?
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I stand corrected. Silvrevo has given advice on this forum. Here is his advice to a new Jeep owner:

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I would go right for the 20's,,,,, maybe 22's !!!!!!!!! If you really wanna get nuttzzz.

Then Chrome that puppy out !!!!! More chrome the better!

Just be sure to get the spare 20"-22" rim thou. Makes the whole Jeep come together!
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Hmmmmm......... The first time I took my '09 off the pavement, I lost that bushing. Luckily, I was able to ease back down the slope and it was gravel, not mud. Took it in, got it fixed, and THEN learned how to properly shift the transfer case, been off-road several times since, and even had to pull a F-150 from some good sticky mud, with no problem at all. It's amazing what's contained between the covers of an owner's manual.
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All the Jeep vehicles I have owned over the years have had problems that had to be addressed due to design flaws or due to the fact that I was hard as hell on the poor things. I think for myself part of the Jeep thing that I enjoy the most is modifying and improving on the things I find or see as flaws on my vehicle, thats why I spend so much time on this forum...That and the fact that all my childhood friends were imaginary ones.
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Well, I've had one since Nov. of 07. The first one that Chrysler bought back because of leaking I still loved but was happy with the replacement. Chrysler made a satisfied customer out of me. Both were 08 unlimited, the first a Sahara and the second a Rubicon. I have to say I like the Rubicon better than I liked the Sahara. I would have been happy with either but the added features of the Rubicon were worth it for me. I have the standard and so far, no problems with the transmission. The second one leaked twice in the first two serious rain storms. Each time the dealer adjusted it. It hasn't leaked since. It is approaching 30,000 miles. No major issues.

I had the plastic bushing of death let go once when I failed to treat the shifter of the transfer case like a girly-man. Not even that would sway me from getting another jeep at some future date. I got an extra 3 of those little bushings of death and keep them in the glove box. If I'm out wheeling with friends and don't feel like changing it in the middle of a mud puddle, I hope they would do me the favor of pulling me out to a dryer place but heck, if you are out in the middle of the woods with the thing and are too Pansy to do an on the fly repair, you probably don't belong out in the woods with it. If you buy it without thinking that you will off road it, well, then you should not worry about this too much but I'd still keep a couple extra ones at 60 or so cents each, you'll never know when you'll need one. Even after paying over 35000 for it I don't expect it to be perfect especially when I take it out in the woods and spank it once in a while.

Most likely, you'll have a blast in it. I have been having waaaaay too much fun in mine. I thank my wife every chance I get that she OK'd the purchase. She doesn't want one but if she did, I get her one.

I'm not a gear head and if Chrysler hadn't bought mine back, my next wrangler would have been a Rubicon. That doesn't mean that there isn't any major modifications in my future. I'm thinking of lifting and possibly eventually some larger tires. Right now I have tires for life from the dealer. We'll see how long that lasts first before I start going tire crazy. Anyway, thought you might like to hear another happy owner story. Best of luck with your choice and welcome to the forum.

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