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Old 01-31-2011, 06:56 AM   #1
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Time for a Lift - need help

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2010 Jeep Rubicon 2dr 6sp 9k miles on the odometer. Stock 32's

Time for a lift - I drive it mixed city and highway, it's NE so the roads arent glassy smooth (lots of bridge and frost heaves). I am looking to lift it for 35's while maintaining some semblance off highway stability, handling, and power (not that the thing has any balls stock anyway)

I dont care about tread noise, nor mileage for that matter (although it would be nice)

So what am I looking at? tires and a suspension lift? body lift? gears perhaps? Ultimately I am looking to make it look aggressive with a powerful stance without making it look like a toy, while gaining some much needed ground clearance.

Any thoughts based on past experience? and for that matter is there someone in the Lowell/Nashua/Pelham area experienced in doing this work? I'm not sure I want to go messing around with my suspension, it's not my area.

ANY input is appreciated - thank you

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Old 01-31-2011, 07:04 AM   #2
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A 2.5" lift will allow you to run 35's. You'll be so so with your stock gears and manual trans. You'll take a huge hit in MPG. You'll pick up a max of 1.5" ground clearance.

If ground clearance is your big issue, have you also consider armor? You need to comnsider the evap cannister, oil pan, and front linkage for starters.

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Old 01-31-2011, 07:39 AM   #3
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its all skid plated (thank god) - and the huge hit is no worry, it already sucks (for lack of a better word lol). I'm thinking the gears may be mandatory, only in that so-so isn't really where I want to be, though its good to know it will run just the same so thanks for that, it may be that I lift, then decide if gearing is needed.

Being honest, it's about the look of the rig also, not just clearance per se // been reading the sticky. It may be the best advise to talk to an installer here in the Southern NH area and develop a relationship there but I am not familiar with any - I would love a reference from someone who had done business with them
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:50 AM   #4
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You might want to also consider 33's. It's not the lift that will require re-gearing, it's the tires. Going to 35's affects everything exponentially. They are much heavier and affect all your drive train components accordingly. You can get the look you're after with some aggressive rubber (BFG KM2 or Cooper SST) and not have as many issues by going with a modest lift and 33's.
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:02 AM   #5
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:12 AM   #6
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I hate to say it but Daggo66 is right with his last post, a jeep with 35's and a lift is NICE but unless your going to use it whats the point, you can get the "look" with Nice 33's and a teraflex BB....

And like he said, a jump to 35's will affect alot of things...

As for myself I made the choice to go big, 35's, big lift and gears.... I love my jeep and would not have it any other way..
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OK well it seems to do it right means MONEY and a slew of changes to make it work properly - IF I go with 35's I'm looking at;

Rough Country Series II Jeep JK 3.5 Lift
3.5" Rough Country = $550.0 (includes the shipping)
Install= $340.00
Driveshafts= $500.00/each (Tom Wood driveshafts)
Install= $136.00
Dual Steering stabilizer = $129.99
Install= $68
Re-Gearing is around $800/per axle that I can see
Spacers= $220/set (all 4)
Tires 35x12.50-18 around $350.00 a tire. Baja Claw Radial is one I like

The thing is, I have 32's now and spending big cash on a 33, I would want something that stood out. I'm just digging through pics of 2.5" lifts with 33's - its probably a question of actually going out and looking at one in the field for perspective. Lots to research, I never knew this much was involved
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I haven't heard anything good about RC lifts. I'd be more inclined to look at BDS or TF or OME. You don't need dual stabilizers, period. Take your time and look around. Whether you go 33 or 35, make sure it's what you really want.
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Old 01-31-2011, 02:06 PM   #9
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Well now I'm really interested - I don't need dual stabilizers? I'm sure you have been down this path so I am asking. The other lift option was Rock Krawler which, although pricey, looks solid
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I only have a 2" lift from adding HD Mopar coils. I'm running stock Rubicon takeoff wheels and tires. I have done a lot of reading and research before making the decision I did. Take at look at the sticky at the top of the page relating to DW. You will learn about stabilizers there. A lift is not something you want to find as inexpensive as possible. Your suspension is the next most important part of your vehicle after the drive train.
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daggo, how much did you invest in the HD Mopar coils ? Installed them yourself ?
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I have a TF lift and 33s. Think that is a great way to go.

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Being a 2 dr you will be asking for trouble and huge expense to go more then 2 1/2". Anything over that is a drivetrain nightmare. Yes it is possible but nearly everypart of the drivetrain has to be modified or replaced. If you have that kind of money then over 2 1/2" is fine.

2 1/2" is fine for 35 tires. 35's can work but what makes the tires look aggressive really isn't the height when you are looking at 33 vs 35 but really the width. And a 33 and 35 are the same width and 33's on a 2 dr will look great. Just have to read a few threads to see many with 35's talking about going back to 33's for their next tire. But if you have to have the 35 then go for it but I still wouldn't go higher then 2 1/2" lift or the problems compound.

If you had a 4 door then thats another story but the 2 door has certain issues the 4 dr doesn't when it comes to lift.
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Teraflex 2.5" coil kit with shocks seems perfect for you . The kit comes with shocks, coils , bumpstops ,sway bar links and Brake line relocation brackets.

Add a front adjustable trackbar and you are set.

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daggo, how much did you invest in the HD Mopar coils ? Installed them yourself ?
They were about $160 for all 4 IIRC. I installed them myself. It's easy, I just wouldn't advise doing it in 95 degree heat like I did.
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They were about $160 for all 4 IIRC. I installed them myself. It's easy, I just wouldn't advise doing it in 95 degree heat like I did.
Here it's about MINUS 95 right now, so I'm not about to even start trying installing myself. I am interested in investing in those, can you send me a link to the product when you get a chance? And Because I just got my jeep in may 2010, my 32" bfgs are still brand new so im not looking into purchasing bigger tires, dont you think 32s look small with a 2" lift ? (mostly gap between top of tire and fender)

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You might want to also consider 33's. It's not the lift that will require re-gearing, it's the tires. Going to 35's affects everything exponentially. They are much heavier and affect all your drive train components accordingly. You can get the look you're after with some aggressive rubber (BFG KM2 or Cooper SST) and not have as many issues by going with a modest lift and 33's.

Been reading this post and I'm in the same situation but with a 4 door JK. I was thinking about going with 33's and was told that I need a 2.5" lift for it. What is a modest lift using 33's for you?? What do you recommend?
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I have a rough contry lift and have had no problems with it, rides nice and installed with no problems at all. Their customer service is excellent too, lifetime warranty on everything and you just call them and they will mail you out anything you need replaced. But i also agree that you definately do not need dual stabilizers, they cause more harm than do good.
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Techinically you can run 33's with no lift. You would have some rubbing if you were flexing off road. You could get by with a 2" or less BB. The 33's will be wider so if you use the stock rims you'll need wheel spacers.
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I say if your only doing 33's don't lift it chop the flares or get flat fenders it will look great. That's how mine is set up at the moment I also have wheel spacers. Here are some pics of my jeep
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to be honest I'm looking at a 2.5 lift, better shocks, no steering stabilizer, and 33" Baja Claw Radials - I'd just trim the stock fenders to get that flat fender look (which reminds me to find that thread again) I think that will give me the look I am after and keep it somewhat driveable. Thats why I like this forum - good advice. Otherwise as was noted above, I'm looking at a grand for driveshafts, and other huge expenditures for regearing both diffs, etc - nuts
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If you do the lift don't cut the flares it will make the 33's look small.
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If you do the lift don't cut the flares it will make the 33's look small.
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With a 33 did you regear? wondering with the manual if it will have ANY power left - and I agree on the fender cut with 33's but then I could also slip 35's in there with a 2.5 that allows for the stock driveshafts and trim the fenders which would look correct - thoughts elevated?
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I didn't regear I didn't notice any power lose or any troubles with anything, if you want to do 35" I would regear for sure.
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Confused... you said if you do the lift and 33's DON'T do flat fenders? But that's what you did?

I'm going to do flat fenders next month...with the stock Rubi 32's. I already saw it on another Rubi and it looks bad ass. I can't stand the stock fenders...just look retarded. IMO.

Stubby front bumper, flat fenders...looks really cool I think.

BTW - Elevated's, Clear Lake's, Rics and Daggo's advise about gears vs 35's...is right on. It isn't the lift so much as the circumference and weight of the bigger tires that cause power issues. Lift is more about angles of drive shaft/torque/stress.

I'm a big fan of the Teraflex kit as well. That's what I had on my '02. No issues...took 4hrs to install by my self. (I had helped do two others with friends though, so I knew what I was doing....sort of.)
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Read it again. He ONLY chopped the fenders.
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I don't have a lift on my jeep that's why I said that because with a lift I think the tires will look small. I'm in the same boat right now I have the 2.5" TeraFlex coil kit and Bushwacker Flat fenders setting here I'm just debating on 35" or 37" tires on mine.
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I *think* the 35's coupled with a 2.5 lift and flat fenders should look optimal - I'm looking for online pics now. With the 2.5 lift, no need for driveshafts, would just have to regear (or so goes the common thought process, at least for me after talking all this through

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