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Old 03-09-2012, 04:21 PM   #31
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Huh. I have a '12 Rubi with 265/70r17 BFG AT KO's for winter use in the "E" load range. I haven't noticed any problems at all.

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Ahhh..thanks. So, if you space the front tires, do you automatically have to space the rears? Would you ever want to just space the rears and not the front or front and not the rear?
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Also found Toyo Open Country A/T in the stock size, but know nothing about them.

Or Hankook DynaPro ATM.

Anyone run these?
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I have thought about the Goodyear Silent Armors because they are an AT and are more aggressive looking than the SRAs but come in the stock size which should fit perfectly.
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for me, the Silent Armors do not provide enough of the more aggressive look to warrant replacing the OE with them. Just my opinion though.

Right now I'm thinking spacers or GY MT/R K, I just wish I could find a pic of them at stock size on a stock (no lift, no spacer) Wrangler...

May just say screw it and go to the spacers and lift and go big - but that will cost more to run - this had to be my DD for about 5 years at least.
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Well my thoughts on the silent armors are the look is somewhat more aggressive but the tire is MUCH more capable off road and in snow than the SRAs. I just don't want to do a lift and spacers, etc and ruin my daily drive and gas mileage but I do want a more capable tire for mild to mid range offroading and snow use.
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Agree with that - the SRA sucks in the rain, and I have no confidence in it off road.
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Chief, j0nx, I'm in the same boat as you... the SR-As are terrible. I also don't want to lift/space/etc., so we're all very limited with what we can do.

It really makes me wonder why Jeep chose that size. Simply going to a 265/285 tire would have opened the options way up.
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This is a good thread to link all those "I want new tires for my stock wheels" questions. Discusses the 15" and 16" alternatives, pros/cons, etc. Good.

Of course, I went with 15" wheels and have been very happy. In line with the numbers ran above, cost worked out cheapest.

Also keep in mind that if DT does the install they will "buy" your old tires. They gave me a $55 credit for each of my Rubi tires. So that just left me with the stock Mountain Edition wheels which I may sell . . . or may not. Either way, it reduced the "hassle" of having to arrange a sale of my OE stuff to get any money back.

Factoring in the rebates and the tire trade in, I ended up at around $1200 out of pocket IIRC, which means that if I sell my wheels my final tally would be under $1000 for all new wheels and tires. Hard to beat that in terms of price and I went from a 32x10 tire to a much more aggressive looking 33x12.5 tire.

Finally, it's worth noting that going with the new wheels (as going with spacers) eliminates any horizontal rubbing. And 33x12.5 won't rub vertically (ie, your fender flares) even without a lift until you flex offroad.

Fixing that flex can be done with a very modest 2" budget boost, which run a few hundred dollars tops. If you can do the install yourself or with a buddy, the total cost might be right about what you would've put down just for new 17" tires.

Altogether, I think a little lift and some larger tires are really what the 4 door needs in terms of proportions. It just sits better IMO.

Anyway, good discussion here. Carry on.
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and by the time you get 2" of lift the 35" tire looks good.....always moving up!
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This is a good thread to link all those "I want new tires for my stock wheels" questions. Discusses the 15" and 16" alternatives, pros/cons, etc. Good.

Of course, I went with 15" wheels and have been very happy. In line with the numbers ran above, cost worked out cheapest.

Also keep in mind that if DT does the install they will "buy" your old tires. They gave me a $55 credit for each of my Rubi tires. So that just left me with the stock Mountain Edition wheels which I may sell . . . or may not. Either way, it reduced the "hassle" of having to arrange a sale of my OE stuff to get any money back.

Factoring in the rebates and the tire trade in, I ended up at around $1200 out of pocket IIRC, which means that if I sell my wheels my final tally would be under $1000 for all new wheels and tires. Hard to beat that in terms of price and I went from a 32x10 tire to a much more aggressive looking 33x12.5 tire.

Finally, it's worth noting that going with the new wheels (as going with spacers) eliminates any horizontal rubbing. And 33x12.5 won't rub vertically (ie, your fender flares) even without a lift until you flex offroad.

Fixing that flex can be done with a very modest 2" budget boost, which run a few hundred dollars tops. If you can do the install yourself or with a buddy, the total cost might be right about what you would've put down just for new 17" tires.

Altogether, I think a little lift and some larger tires are really what the 4 door needs in terms of proportions. It just sits better IMO.

Anyway, good discussion here. Carry on.

Good post (as always), Mike. Only to continue this discussion, here's where it tips further for me:

1.) My stock tires have 24,000+ miles on them so I doubt I'd get any credit for them. The BFGs you had are far more desirable than the SRAs, so I wonder what that credit would be even if they had more tread.

2.) What to do with the TPMS. Sure, many hate them, but I don't want the ding/dash light that would undoubtedly require a programming tool (Pro-Cal), so I'm sticking with them at this point.

So, for someone interested in lifting, bigger tires, etc. who would otherwise be expecting the other expenses, it does work out well.

However, for someone with modest modification needs/budgets, it's just a change, which necessitates another change, necessitating another change, etc.

I love your Jeep, Mike, and your 15" wheel thread almost made me pull the trigger on "The Combo" as well. I also agree that the bigger tires look really good on the JKU.

For me though, I like the simplicity (even if a slightly greater cost) of getting right-sized tires and being done with it. It's the choice that makes the most sense for me right now.

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^Different folks have different needs/preferences.

I should mention also that the cost noted above included a small amount for DT to move my old TPMS sensors to the new tires. I'm runnin them at the same PSI as my old BFGs, so I've got no dinging light and no ProCal.

Just more food for thought.
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Not sure if this is what your looking for but I just upgraded my wheels and kept my stock Rubi tires for now. Here's a side shot of the wheel and rear shot as well so you can get an idea of what it would look like with 17x9 wheels with a 0 offset which is around a 5 BS. Stock BS is around 6.25.






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m0wens,

how far past the fender do the tires protrude (if at all)?

I imagine that would be the same distance with a stock wheel and 1.25 spacer with the same tire (if your backspace is 5")
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I would say around 1 1/2 inches past the fender flares. I did not want to upgrade my tires yet since it would be a waste since there's only 7100 miles on my treads. When it becomes time for new tires I will most likely go with a 305/65/17 AT tire.


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how far past the fender do the tires protrude (if at all)?

I imagine that would be the same distance with a stock wheel and 1.25 spacer with the same tire (if your backspace is 5")
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m0wens,
Any chance you can post a pick down the side of your Jeep?

BTW - a 9 in. wide wheel w/ 0 offset will have 4.5 in. of backspace.
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BTW - a 9 in. wide wheel w/ 0 offset will have 4.5 in. of backspace.
Nah. Backspace it total rim width, which is stated rim width +1. So backspacing on those wheels is 5".

Here is a formula to convert offset to backspace.
Take offset, divide by 25.4, then add the overall rim width (rim width +1) divided by 2.

And here is a fun little app to play around with.
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Correct. Forgot its total width (though I am not sure it would be a standard 1" addition across all manufacturers - probably close enough).

I typically think about offset only from my other cars. I find it strange that offset is always metric while bs is english (in.). No stranger than a 255 (mm) 17 (in) tire i guess.
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Yeah, messing around with wheel backspace and offset can lead to a headache real quick! lol. Here is a little chart I stumbled on somewhere that comes in handy.
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Thanks 4fit, you beat me in responding to my wheel backspace. I specifically wanted 9in wheels with that 0 offset. Gives me a few options in tires plus they don't stick out too far beyond the fender flares. I found the same cheat sheet and makes it easier versus pulling out the ole calculator.

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Nah. Backspace it total rim width, which is stated rim width +1. So backspacing on those wheels is 5".

Here is a formula to convert offset to backspace.
Take offset, divide by 25.4, then add the overall rim width (rim width +1) divided by 2.

And here is a fun little app to play around with.
Custom rims, wheel tire packages for your ride - RIMSnTIRES.com
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I put the stock size Silent Armors on about 200 miles after I got the '12. We haven't had much snow, but these should beat the SRA's for snow and ice, are good on gravel, and don't seem to throw small rocks like some tires. Nice ride I think. Yeah, they don't look real aggressive but that's okay with me. An AT tire generally seems to do what I need just fine for me. These only weigh about 8 pounds more than the SRA's and mileage has been 16.5 to 17 MPG in city/suburban type driving. Just got my $100 tread lightly rebate check for this set of tires, so that was a plus.

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Not sure if this is what your looking for but I just upgraded my wheels and kept my stock Rubi tires for now. Here's a side shot of the wheel and rear shot as well so you can get an idea of what it would look like with 17x9 wheels with a 0 offset which is around a 5 BS. Stock BS is around 6.25.






m0wens,

I really like those wheels can you provide any info?
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I have 265/70r17 Goodyear Wrangler Territories...I get some rubbing on a hard right turn.

How can you have rubbing with those 265/70/17 tires, they are slightly smaller then the stock 255/75/17....??????
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you can rub with pizza cutter 16's and stock sra steet tires.

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How can you have rubbing with those 265/70/17 tires, they are slightly smaller then the stock 255/75/17....??????
They're almost 10.5" wide...1/2" wider than the stock tires. The tire's probably rubbing on full-lock turns. Easy to fix by adding a washer or two to the steering stops.
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Here is mine when I had my Goodyear MT/R's 285/70/17's on. First 2 pics is just stock with no wheel spacers. they slightly rubbed the sway bar at full turn so I eventually added 1.5" wheel spacers to correct.

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Were they rubbed before adding spacers


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