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Old 08-23-2013, 03:29 PM   #31
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Even if you just want to throw on some 33" duratracs, the rubi is worth it, plus great for the winters. I live in NYC, which is the worst place in the North American continent for offroading. However, I still take my rig all around the nation to enjoy the jeep, something I never dreamed I'd do. A rubi is just like a Sahara when not offroading (except the tires). But IF you ever decide you want to drive out to Moab, you're ready. For $2000 or so it's a no brainer to me.

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Even if you just want to throw on some 33" duratracs, the rubi is worth it, plus great for the winters. I live in NYC, which is the worst place in the North American continent for offroading. However, I still take my rig all around the nation to enjoy the jeep, something I never dreamed I'd do. A rubi is just like a Sahara when not offroading (except the tires). But IF you ever decide you want to drive out to Moab, you're ready. For $2000 or so it's a no brainer to me.

33" duratracs aren't much different in size than a stock rubi's size. A sahara's gear ratio is 3.21 vs. a rubi's 4.1 so can't really say they're just alike if you're considering larger tires.

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33" duratracs aren't much different in size than a stock rubi's size. A sahara's gear ratio is 3.21 vs. a rubi's 4.1 so can't really say they're just alike if you're considering larger tires.
33" duratracs make a big difference on 3.21s. Trust me, I have em. 5th gear is now useless.
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Even if you just want to throw on some 33" duratracs, the rubi is worth it, plus great for the winters. I live in NYC, which is the worst place in the North American continent for offroading. However, I still take my rig all around the nation to enjoy the jeep, something I never dreamed I'd do. A rubi is just like a Sahara when not offroading (except the tires). But IF you ever decide you want to drive out to Moab, you're ready. For $2000 or so it's a no brainer to me.
If a Rubi makes sense for you, that is great. But you are trying to blanket the logic from your situation on to others. Remember, you are the exception, not the rule. Most JK's don't rock crawl, and most will never see Moab. I have zero plans on going to Moab....my avy is an old school motocycle...so I dream of other things.

I don't plan on going to 33's. I'm happy with the stock wheels and tires. Actually the OEM tires on the Sahara are part of the reason as to why I picked that particular model. And if I did go to 33's, it won't be until my current tires are dead, (and I average about 7000 miles a year).....so there is a chance that I might not even see a 2nd set of tires on this vehicle if a trade it in after 5 years.

You said that outside of tires, a Rubi is just like a Sahara when not off-roading. That is almost true (my Sahara has LSD, another reason why I went Sahara over Rubi)....but let's turn it around.

A Sahara is just like a Rubi when not off-roading, and I don't do much off-roading...so why should I pay extra for a Rubi?
Assuming the vehicles are stock, in 2WD, the Rubi provides no advantage over the Sahara. In 4HI, unless you have a wheel coming off the ground (ediscos), the Rubi still does not provide an advantage over the Sahara. When you throw in LSD (only available on the Sport and Sahara), in 2WD, and in 4HI (on slick surfaces....which is my concern), the Sahara actually has the advantage over the Rubi.

The Rubi is the undisputed king in 4LO, but outside of throwing it in 4LO to make sure it worked, I have yet to use 4LO in my Wrangler. I used 4LO twice in my Libby in the +4 1/2 years I had it. One of those times was because I was towing a trailer across a private field, and I didn't want to tear up the grass...the other time was because I was just farting around on dirt/mud path. I didn't need it, I just wanted to try it out. So for me, a lot of the benefits of the Rubi simply don't apply to me.

In your situation, a Rubi makes sense. But your statement about people looking at a Sahara should get a Rubi is not accurate....because in my situation, there is nothing in my usage that says...."get a Rubi".
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:24 AM   #35
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Thanks for all the replies!

After a loooong day, and a lot of driving around/looking at numerous Jeeps, I think I finally found what I want.

Not this exact Jeep, but looks just like this.



Saw so many that I liked, but I just couldn't find 'The One'. One would have the tow package, but wouldn't have the 3.73 axle ratio. One would have one thing, but not the other. And so on.

So at the end of the day, I found a 2014 Sahara Unlimited. Sticker on it is $39,730. Got them down to $35,570.

It's white with the matching top and fenders. I really think I may paint the fenders black. What's the best way of going about this? Regular paint-job...line-x?? Also has the black/saddle (brown) interior, which I really like.

Some of the options:

-5 speed automatic
-Leather heated seats
-Connectivity group w/ Bluetooth
-Tire pressure monitoring display
-Max tow package
-Class ll 4" receiver hitch
-3.73 axle ratio
-Hill descent control
-Trac-Lok differential rear axle
-Freedom top body-color hard top
-Delete Vinyl Sunrider soft top
-Freedom panel storage bag
-Uconnect 430N CD/DVD/MP3/NAV
-GPS/Sirius
-6.5" touch screen display
-Remote start

Would you guys say that's a decent deal?

Thanks again. I really look forward to being a part of this community, and getting great ideas on mods for my first Jeep!
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:30 AM   #36
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One more thing. Eventually I'd wanna get different wheels, but in the meantime I'd like to make these black. Is powder-coating an option with these wheels? Or is it better just to get them painted? (don't feel like plast-dipping these...did that on my last Ram.

I read the heat from the powder-coating could make the wheels weaker. Not sure if that's legit or not.
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:39 AM   #37
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VooDoo, the white Sahara sounds like a pretty good deal to me, at the price you negotiated. Given your use, it sounds like the Sahara would suit your needs better than a Rubi. I am not sure about the painting of the fenders, it'd probably work fine. I did Premium LineX on a grill guard on my Tundra a few months back, the guard was only two years old but already displayed a lot of rust, so I had it sandblasted and Line-Xd, and it looks great. I'll be curious to see how it holds up over the next couple of winters.
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VooDoo - sounds like a fair price for the Sahara. If you're concerned about the painted fenders, you'd be money ahead to order a Sport with the S package and choose your options!
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:56 AM   #39
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Im not saying you need to spend money on a Rubi. If you just want a wrangler with no leather, etc etc, get a SportX. However, IF you are considering a sahara, my advice is that you spend a tiny bit more money, and get a rubicon. I am NOT saying that everyone shopping for a wrangler should buy a Rubicon, just people shopping for Saharas.
I can definetly agree with this post. for the prices i see on some sahara models around my parts, its just logical spend the extra few bucks and go rubicon.

but if you really don't plan on going serious off roading any of the wranglers can and will do quite well considering they're all 4WD.

I'd love to get a rubicon when i order next month, but in all reality a sport would be better for myself considering i WON'T be doing as much off roading as others claim they do. my jeeping will basically consist of bar hopping, heading down to the beach topless and doorless, and the occasional road trips here and there.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:03 PM   #40
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One more thing. Eventually I'd wanna get different wheels, but in the meantime I'd like to make these black. Is powder-coating an option with these wheels? Or is it better just to get them painted? (don't feel like plast-dipping these...did that on my last Ram.

I read the heat from the powder-coating could make the wheels weaker. Not sure if that's legit or not.
Nice ride!
Yes, you can powder coat them, but a cheaper solution is plasti-dip.
An all white Sahara JKU with the new Sahara wheels in black looks like this:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/pla...cs-191854.html

Pretty slick IMO....
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Nice ride!
Yes, you can powder coat them, but a cheaper solution is plasti-dip.
An all white Sahara JKU with the new Sahara wheels in black looks like this:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/pla...cs-191854.html

Pretty slick IMO....
Thank you sir!

I did plast-dip my Ram wheels. It looked really nice for awhile, but then the break dust on the front would stick to them easily, and really didn't wanna wash off. Anybody else have this issue? Or do you put that gloss finish over them?
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:00 PM   #42
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Thanks for all the replies guys.

I decided against the Sahara and got the Sport Unlimited.

Now onto the mods....where to start......

(oh, the little speaker-looking thing up by the driver visor, is that for the voice recognition?)
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Congrats! You made a good choice... any jeep is a good choice.

Pics?
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Congrats have fun with it
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Thanks for all the replies guys.

I decided against the Sahara and got the Sport Unlimited.

Now onto the mods....where to start......

(oh, the little speaker-looking thing up by the driver visor, is that for the voice recognition?)
Copntratulations! Now, where are some pics??
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Nice Jeep, VooDoo! And I like it that the Mobile station you patronize has the four basic food groups covered, donuts, cigarettes, coffee and Miller Lite!!
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Nice Jeep, VooDoo! And I like it that the Mobile station you patronize has the four basic food groups covered, donuts, cigarettes, coffee and Miller Lite!!
Haha, thanks man.
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The first and LAST time I bought a 2 wheel drive pickup we got 105 inches of snow the next winter. That pickup sat for 3 weeks at a time. I sold it to my dad the next summer and ordered a new 4 wheel drive pickup (still own that one). That's the LAST time I bought 1/2 of a vehicle. My 2014 Rubi Unlimited arrived 3 weeks ago. Picked it up on a Saturday and dropped it into 4 lo the next Saturday to climb a mountain trail. That extra low transfer case is priceless. Lockers and the swaybar disconnect aren't as valuable to me YET. But winter is only around the corner. And this time I'm ready.

Glad you like your Sahara's. Everybody has a favorite tool for the job. I just won't buy half a Jeep anymore than I will ever buy half a pickup again.
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The first and LAST time I bought a 2 wheel drive pickup we got 105 inches of snow the next winter. That pickup sat for 3 weeks at a time. I sold it to my dad the next summer and ordered a new 4 wheel drive pickup (still own that one). That's the LAST time I bought 1/2 of a vehicle. My 2014 Rubi Unlimited arrived 3 weeks ago. Picked it up on a Saturday and dropped it into 4 lo the next Saturday to climb a mountain trail. That extra low transfer case is priceless. Lockers and the swaybar disconnect aren't as valuable to me YET. But winter is only around the corner. And this time I'm ready.

Glad you like your Sahara's. Everybody has a favorite tool for the job. I just won't buy half a Jeep anymore than I will ever buy half a pickup again.
I understand the tool for the job part, but I'm hoping you didn't just imply any Wrangler that isn't a Rubicon is "half a Jeep".
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I understand the tool for the job part, but I'm hoping you didn't just imply any Wrangler that isn't a Rubicon is "half a Jeep".
Yeah, seriously. I've had about enough of the Sahara-bashing.
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I love how almost every thread turns into a "you should have a Rubi" thread. LOL

This thing went on for a page and a half with multiple mentions of larger tires and the fact that the 3.21 is garbage for larger tires. It was mentioned several times that the Rubi was $1500-$2000 more and that you can get bigger tires with it... yet not one mention that for an extra $50 and upgrading from the Tow Package to the MAX Tow package you get 3.73 gears and can pretty much run up to 35s without a whole lot of trouble.

I love my Sahara. Only downside to it is the 3.21s. however... Since I am getting 20 MPG during my commute... I am okay with the 3.21 gears for right now. =) Sure as heck beats to 16-17 MPG I get on my SRT8.

And honestly... This is as bad as the Challenger and Charger boards. When I had a Charger R/T everyone would always be all "you need to get the SRT8 or you are wasting your money." Um... no. They make different models for a reason. Not EVERYONE is going to go rock crawling. Not everyone needs/wants MT tires. I know guys that own Rubis that have NEVER put it in 4LO or locked the diffs. So why spend an extra $2000 over an extra $50? just don't make sense to me.

Btw... I own an SRT8 Challenger and the only Challenger owners I give grief to are the ones that buy the six cylinder ones. =) And even then.. whatever floats your boat... it's just the knuckleheads that buy the 6 and then plaster SRT stickers all over them that need to be pitied and mocked.

Congrats on the Sport, Voodoo. I'm sure you'll love it. I know mine has been fun.

MALL CRAWLERS UNITE!

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