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Old 09-12-2010, 07:13 PM   #1
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To ESP or not to ESP?

Yes, I tried the search function and came up with ZILCH.

And I'm sure as hell not going to physically click through over 214 pages of JK forum. So, here's my question:

Which one of you have permanently disabled your ESP? I'm pretty sure Chrysler had good intentions when they equipped a Wrangler with ESP. But the problem is they put ESP in a Jeep Wrangler.

Putting traction control in a Jeep Wrangler is like coming out with a front wheel drive pick-up truck. It just doesn't make sense. Traction control works okay for wet conditions on the street and if you're in a street car but not for a Jeep.

For those of you that may have increased the size of your tires and/or wheels is the ESP will come on at the most inappropriate time when driving on the street. I experienced this problem on the road today--I'm turning into a curve when the ESP light starts blinking. But what concerned me was there was this grinding sound while the light was blinking but it stopped when the ESP light stopped blinking.

As far as I could tell I've never heard this grinding noise previously in all the times I've been off-roading even when I played with the ESP button. I have traction control on my Acura and it has been beneficial in controlling too much wheel spin on wet roads. But the ESP on the JK does nothing as far as controlling wheel spin on or off-road. One thing that is synonymous with the Jeep and the Acura is if you change the wheel/tire size it screws with the traction control programing. What has been your experience?

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I don't know what you're talking about !!

I drive all over in 2wd mode and the ESP icon, NEVER shows up

As soon as I get off pavement- I disable the ESP (in 4hi) then it's off anyway in 4lo-

Maybe you otta go see the dealer !

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Old 09-12-2010, 08:31 PM   #3
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I thought ESP or equivalent traction control is federally mandated now?
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Old 09-12-2010, 10:00 PM   #5
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It is federally mandated. ESP is like a pyramid built on ABS as the foundation, traction control as the middle section and ESP as the top. ESP also has ERM(electronic roll mitigation) so if you are hearing grinding, it's the brakes being activated by the ESP system. And my guess is the ERM is sensing to much weight on one side of the vehicle and taking over the brake system. Just a guess though
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When you see the icon blinking it means ESP is working doing what is supposed to do. Oh and the ESP in the Wrangler is calibrated different than an Acura.
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For those of you that may have increased the size of your tires and/or wheels is the ESP will come on at the most inappropriate time when driving on the street. I experienced this problem on the road today--I'm turning into a curve when the ESP light starts blinking. But what concerned me was there was this grinding sound while the light was blinking but it stopped when the ESP light stopped blinking.
You need to center your steering wheel.
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:d i don't know what you're talking about !!

I drive all over in 2wd mode and the esp icon, never shows up

as soon as i get off pavement- i disable the esp (in 4hi) then it's off anyway in 4lo-

maybe you otta go see the dealer !

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Old 09-13-2010, 06:47 AM   #9
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i agree with airdwn esp on jeep is useless. let me decide when i need traction control. or at least LET ME have too turn it on, not off. imo it sucks. never had it on any of my other car's or trucks, never needed it either, the government is taking driving out of our hands because so many people roll their vehicles. ( think back to when all the ford explorers went upside down).
i live in new-england and have been driving for 33 + years and never wrecked because of snow/ice/ or rain. my 4 wrecks were because i was drunk ( and i gave up drinking 24 years ago.)
OK so now you can all flame me. but at least i know someone feels the same way i do.
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:56 AM   #10
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People felt the same way when ABS came out. Now you rarely hear anyone complain about it. There is no way that a human can make the corrections as quickly as the computer when it comes to ABS and ESP. However, Jeep has recognized that there are people resistant to change and for them ESP can be completely disabled. Just read your manual and perform what has become to be known as "the steering wheel dance."
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:14 AM   #11
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Heh Heh, just like the TPMS air pressure system !!

The Feds say "we've gotta have it, for women and old people, like me !

There's no way ON BOARD to disable it--

So I just used the handyDandy AEV Procal Module-HAH HAH, take that Abe Lincoln !!

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Soooo...I'm a bit confused, can u or can u not disable the ESP? Mine acts crazy in 2nd and 3rd gear on a normal street curve.. Thanks
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Soooo...I'm a bit confused, can u or can u not disable the ESP? Mine acts crazy in 2nd and 3rd gear on a normal street curve.. Thanks
the first thing you need to do is find out why. Have you made any changes to your Jeep? Lift, tires, etc.?
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it's there because people can't drive worth a damn anymore. it's easier to federally mandate a law than to get people to be more responsible behind the wheel.
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Old 09-13-2010, 02:55 PM   #15
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what does extra sensory perception have to do with jeeping?
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Old 09-13-2010, 03:03 PM   #16
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I like it

No seriously, I really do like it. If it didn't have that ESP OFF button on the dash to "temp disable" I'd probably have gotten a programmer and hacked the **** out of it by now to shut it off, but with the button, you just shut it off on the trail (or when it snows in the wally world parking lot and everybody else is snowed in except fellow jeepers) and forget about it the rest of the time. It's kicked in on me a few times on the street, and all of them were "appropriate" times (hydroplaning, black ice, and once when I hit a corner too hot in the rain). It does pretty well for a computer, and in every case has helped get back on track and (knock on wood) hasn't done anything that made things worse.
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Old 09-13-2010, 03:20 PM   #17
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Being able to turn it off in low traction offroad conditions makes perfect sense mechanically and operationally and manufacturers should be thanked for us being able to do so against the Feds wishes I'm sure.

The first time on road that some douche-bag pulls out in front of you and you are able to brake/swerve and avoid them in a JEEP, you will be glad ESP and ABS were there working in some fashion to help it happen.

Maybe it would have been better to not have the idiot light on the dash blinking so no one would even know it was there working, and therefore wouldn't complain about it as much..
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Old 09-13-2010, 04:55 PM   #18
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I permanently disabled mine a long time ago, and prefer it that way. ABS and BAS both still work.
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To answer all your questions/concerns, yes shutting the ESP off from the button is a good option but apparently there's a way to completely disable the ESP button or no button. As I already said, before I switched to taller tires my ESP never activated on its own, particularly, while just executing a turn through a simple curve. After the change in tire size my ESP automatically activated on its own. I wasn't breaking or hard on the accelerator and I hadn't lost any traction.

ESP has nothing to do with ABS, so if the ESP was completely disabled the ABS would continue working as normal. As for the rest of the down low on ESP read the following excerpt:

OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves selectively erasing and reprogramming the Anti-Lock Brake/Electronic Stability Module (ABS), the Cabin Control Node (CCN), and the Totally Integrated Power Module (TIPM) with new software. Once these modules have been reprogrammed (flashed), a sequence of steps will be required to disable or enable the vehicle Electronic Stability Program (ESP).

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Vehicles modified with larger tires and/or suspension lifts may experience early Electronic Stability Program (ESP) activations as compared to a non-modified production vehicle depending on lift size/height, tire size, suspension changes and/or driving habits.

If early ESP activations are experienced while driving with a modified vehicle, the additional ability to permanently turn off ESP is available. This ESP permanently disable feature can be obtained once the ABS, CCN, and TIPM modules have been flashed / reprogrammed with the correct level of software, as described in the Repair Procedure.

After completing reprogramming of the modules, an ignition switch, steering wheel and ESP button maneuver must be performed to permanently disable ESP and to turn off the functionality of the ESP switch. Once the ESP system is placed into permanent disable
mode, the ESP Telltale will be illuminated in the instrument cluster, and the vehicle odometer will display a “ESP OFF” message. The ESP permanent disable feature DOES NOT disable the vehicle Anti-Lock Brakes (ABS) or the Brake Assist System (BAS), when the feature is implemented per this Service Bulletin Repair Procedure.

Repeating the ESP permanent disable maneuver procedure will return the system to normal ESP operation and restore ESP switch functionality allowing for ESP ”Full”, “Partial”, or “Off” modes.


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ESP PROBLEM!!! My ABS light starting blinking after I took it to the Jeep dealership to fix the Gas Cap light. It dings and chimes always (seriously it will ding ever 3 seconds for hours on end), but the ESP and ABS works perfect. I have no idea what the Jeep dealer did to mess this up - never a problem till I picked it up from them. The chiming is so annoying I had to pull the fuse. Now I have no ABS or ESP, but the chiming stopped - thank god. However, I will say the ESP was doing it's job all the time as the vehicle now (without ESP/ABS) is always sliding out in wet conditions - never a problem before. I haven't seen anyone else with this problem, but I'll let you know once I figure out how to fix the cause. '07 Jeep 4-Dr
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I have 35" wheels & never have a problem with the ESP or ABS. When I am off road I disable it & as soon as I take it out of 4wd it goes back to having the feature on again. I didn't like it at first when it would vibrate at the first sign of any slipping or sliding,but I got used to it & I think it was put on the later model Jeeps for a reason so it can stay
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ESP PROBLEM!!! My ABS light starting blinking after I took it to the Jeep dealership to fix the Gas Cap light. It dings and chimes always (seriously it will ding ever 3 seconds for hours on end), but the ESP and ABS works perfect. I have no idea what the Jeep dealer did to mess this up - never a problem till I picked it up from them. The chiming is so annoying I had to pull the fuse. Now I have no ABS or ESP, but the chiming stopped - thank god. However, I will say the ESP was doing it's job all the time as the vehicle now (without ESP/ABS) is always sliding out in wet conditions - never a problem before. I haven't seen anyone else with this problem, but I'll let you know once I figure out how to fix the cause. '07 Jeep 4-Dr
The "ding" is an indication that something is wrong with the system. You should take it to the dealer for repair. It has nothing to do with them clearing the code for your loose gas cap. That would have happened by itself after you drove for a while.
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I have 35" wheels & never have a problem with the ESP or ABS. When I am off road I disable it & as soon as I take it out of 4wd it goes back to having the feature on again. I didn't like it at first when it would vibrate at the first sign of any slipping or sliding,but I got used to it & I think it was put on the later model Jeeps for a reason so it can stay
Wow! They are some SERIOUSLY HUGE wheels! Where did you find tires to fit those??
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I think 35" wheels would take about 48" tires -that would look awesome, but you need one heck of a lift kit!

Daggo66 - I took the Jeep into the dealership for the Gas Cap (mine had a bad seal and they popped on a new one - of course they kept my old one matched to my ignition key and did not give it back - the service manager stated "In 15 years of working on Jeeps/Dodge/Chrysler no one has ever asked for a part back.". I stated it would have been nice to have a locking gas cap while my jeep sits at the airport for weeks at a time when of vacation. Oh well. Anyhow: I picked it up with the ABS Light blinking and dinging an all new problem they started. I think they sabatoged the Jeep and the dealer (Jeep Service Department) said they could not figure out the problem. On other vehicles it usually means the ABS control module needs replacing, but it works perfectly. I did talk to the owner and got them to agree to a free diagnosis when I bring it back in next week, but hope to solve the problem first in case they try to break something else and bill me for it.
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Wow! They are some SERIOUSLY HUGE wheels! Where did you find tires to fit those??
I didn't notice that when I first read it.

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