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Old 06-19-2013, 02:01 AM   #31
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If I want hand-crafted, cost-no-object vehicles, "zero-defect" I know where to go. I just can't pay the cost of entry.
And for me it would be here ICON
But I lack the $200k they get for one of these custom built babies.

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Spending $$$$$ on a new vehicle and having it have problems not caused by the operator is a huge buzzkill. Keep in mind that that's what warranties and insurance policies are for. Most of the time the problems are fixable and if you didn't stiff the dealership during the buying process, you'll find them much obliged to help.

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Old 06-19-2013, 07:23 AM   #33
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Why?? Take it out in the mud and rocks, drive it, figure out what it needs for your style and bolt it on! Learn how to wrench on it, and what you can't do let the dealer handle.
Driving hunks of crap from 16 to my late 20's taught me everything I need to know so far. None of my vehicles has ever been back to a dealership for anything other than recalls.

Hunks of crap also taught me that mods done willingly are fun, unexpected repairs aren't.
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I hated that Chrysler bought Jeep. I wish it was an independent company. I always thought it could go the way of the Harley...an American iconic product for the American free spirit kind of thing.
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this is why they have bumper to bumper warranty's on vehicles.

sounds like a loose drain tube, a bad seal, and your alignment could be off for many reasons... specifically something loose on steering if the car drives straight but wheel is off.
While you are right regarding the warranty, I absolutely hate having to waste time taking my Jeep (which I enjoy the hell out of, mind you) for work that should have been completed right the first time. My time is my most important resource and I do not like wasting because some shmuck can't build to print.

It's also a waste of Chysler's own money when they have to do a job, and the. Do it again because it wasn't do e right the first time.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:06 AM   #36
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If it makes you feel any better, my 10A Rubi was built on April Fool's day, which also happened to be a Monday. Double whammy. So far no issues, but that fact still kind of haunts me
AND, it's a '13. You're doooooomed!

To the original poster. You can probably fix a couple of the items yourself. You shouldn't have to but it's kinda the part of owning a Jeep.

The Steering wheel may just need a quick little turn of the Tie Rod Adjuster. I'm guessing JK's have those barrel adjusters like TJ's.

There are also a bunch of posts about fixing leaks and the rattling tubes/linkage.

You're really gonna be pissed after a couple of years. They get worse before they get better.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:39 AM   #37
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At first I thought mine was all good but found that pass side hood hinge was bent slightly and I just used a block of wood with big hammer to fix it.
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I read this article today while I was sitting in the waiting room at the dentist, and I was intrigued to see the line "Wrangler product planners consider the Ford Mustang a direct competitor". I guess that makes a lot of sense.
I recently traded in my 2010 Mustang GT convertible for a new Wrangler Sport. You might be onto something there
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:41 AM   #39
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Other than passing laws for the State of New Jersey, I do not think Trenton has manufactured anything since the 1970s
You got that straight...Roebling Steel been gone a Looooooong time
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I hated that Chrysler bought Jeep. I wish it was an independent company. I always thought it could go the way of the Harley...an American iconic product for the American free spirit kind of thing.
even as a Harley man i can say. . . .if that happened, you'd feel it in your wallet.......
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:12 PM   #41
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The Pentastar engines are manufactured in Trenton.
assembled in trenton from globally sourced parts...

i live in windsor ont ground zero for fucking minivans and yes i love my jeeps
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:07 PM   #42
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You're really gonna be pissed after a couple of years. They get worse before they get better.

DO they get better?
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even as a Harley man i can say. . . .if that happened, you'd feel it in your wallet.......
X2, this is the truth.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:45 PM   #44
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I hated that Chrysler bought Jeep. I wish it was an independent company. I always thought it could go the way of the Harley...an American iconic product for the American free spirit kind of thing.
Did you know that 98% of all Harley's are still on the road today?

The other 2% actually made it home!
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Old 07-20-2013, 10:38 PM   #45
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I used to work at GM and had the same things. People thought I should have caught things. Told them the exact same things you said.
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Old 07-20-2013, 10:53 PM   #46
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I always laugh at peoples interpretation of quality.

"oh my sisters, bestfriends brother had a XXX and it did this and that, they are pieces of shhit!"

Obviously these people have never taken a statistics class.
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Old 07-20-2013, 11:34 PM   #47
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My buddy worked for DC supervising the line. They used to ride around on golf carts caulking windshields, fixing blot on's, etc out in the storage fields in Detroit before shipment to the dealer...
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My buddy worked for DC supervising the line. They used to ride around on golf carts caulking windshields, fixing blot on's, etc out in the storage fields in Detroit before shipment to the dealer...
Not sure what plant your 'buddy' worked at but it was never in Detroit....

Bitch about your Wrangler all you want but don't spout BS.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:14 AM   #49
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Dunno, at 38k shit better be right. Maybe its just me but Jeeps arent worth their asking price with all the issues that you read about on the JK since their inception. I think if Ford released a Bronco, even slightly retro with a live axle front Jeeps gig would be up, I mean look at all the dummies buying FJ's. Seems like people suck up all the bs with jeeps when really we should be expecting more out of them.

I dont know about you guys but no one has figured out a way to make time so until then my time is worth more than having to deal with some dealership asshole that wants to charge me a premium to work on a WW2 tech vehicle, in reference to chassis, suspension, and driveline; canbus crap is another issue.

I like my Jeep, but I also didnt pay 40k for a stock one, had I paid that I'd be burning houses down.
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One...I absolutely LOVE my Jeep. My 13' JK is the first Jeep I've ever owned and I can say without hesitation that it is the most fun, cool looking vehicle I've ever had...and wouldn't trade it for anything.

Two...In my opinion (not that it matters) my 13' JK is a f*#king piece of sh*t in terms of the initial quality and what I got for my money...in terms of quality. There are tons of vehicle options, at MUCH lower price, that are MUCH better made.

Three...I absolutely LOVE my Jeep.

Four...So, I have been, and will continue to, keep it stock for a bit longer...drive the living hell out of it (off and on road)...let all the bullshit rear its head and let JEEP fix it all under warranty When satisfied that I've got a solid vehicle with no "manufacturer defects"...the mods begin Only trouble is, at 2,000 miles...I can't hardly wait any more to put my lift/bigger tires on!!!

I'll take the shit...along with the sheer amount of fun...anyday. On the other hand, I totally understand the OP's frustration. What JEEP (and most manufacturers, btw) is manufacturing...for the money...is just crap.
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:14 AM   #51
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Funny some of the comments. We have 3 Jeeps and no issues with any of them. I talked to a tech a few weeks ago that bought a Wrangler for his wife because the only time they see them in the shop is for routine maintenance.
That could easily be more about the people who buy jeeps than the jeeps themselves. Mine only go to the shop for diagnostics, and when I find out what the issue is, I take it back and fix it myself.

I'm a die hard "built not bought" sort of person, so the lack of "fit and finish is actually a plus for me.

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