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Old 08-06-2013, 07:58 PM   #1
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Im so undecided about what to get, a wrangler s or a rubi, would love to have the rubi to go mudding here in florida, but im just not sure how much I would use it. My options would be:

2014 wrangler s 2 door
lsd
373 gears
connect group
power group
hardtop
6 speed

2014 rubi 2 door
connect group
power group
hardtop
6 speed

I second guess on the choice, do to the fact that I wont be wheeling every day, maybe a couple times a month. But it would also be used for trips, and I know how that rubi runs high rpms on the highway. I have been thinking the wrangler s would do a fine job for me, but I have always wanted a rubi. I welcome all input.

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I am to my friend. I've always wanted a rubicon because of the Rubcion badge and seats with the name on it. I would sit back and think really hard on what you would really use the jeep for and what's in your price range.

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if you can afford it do the rubi or you will regret it. I did, took 5 years to finally trade up.
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Im so undecided about what to get, a wrangler s or a rubi, would love to have the rubi to go mudding here in florida, but im just not sure how much I would use it. My options would be:

2014 wrangler s 2 door
lsd
373 gears
connect group
power group
hardtop
6 speed

2014 rubi 2 door
connect group
power group
hardtop
6 speed

I second guess on the choice, do to the fact that I wont be wheeling every day, maybe a couple times a month. But it would also be used for trips, and I know how that rubi runs high rpms on the highway. I have been thinking the wrangler s would do a fine job for me, but I have always wanted a rubi. I welcome all input.
If you aren't going to change the lift, wheels, and want a specific locker, get the rubicon. If you want to change that stuff, get the sport. Either way it'll be a great vehicle. Just put some of the down payment for the rubi aside if you get the sport so you don't have to wait long for the upgrades.

I was in your position last October and went with the Sport. Had a blast changing my wheels, adding a lift, Rancho shocks, JKS discos, etc..etc.. Learned a lot. For me I made a great choice and I think I had more fun than had I gone the rubi.
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Im so undecided about what to get, a wrangler s or a rubi, would love to have the rubi to go mudding here in florida, but im just not sure how much I would use it. My options would be:

2014 wrangler s 2 door
lsd
373 gears
connect group
power group
hardtop
6 speed

2014 rubi 2 door
connect group
power group
hardtop
6 speed

I second guess on the choice, do to the fact that I wont be wheeling every day, maybe a couple times a month. But it would also be used for trips, and I know how that rubi runs high rpms on the highway. I have been thinking the wrangler s would do a fine job for me, but I have always wanted a rubi. I welcome all input.


Pixeldecals.com can make you a rubicon sticker for about $20.. .So don't let that be a selling point.

Really it comes down to what you want to do... if you're never going to modify it, then the Rubicon wins hands down as far as drive off the lot and go do some fun stuff.

However, you can buy a Wrangler X, spend the difference on mods and build a truck that is EASILY going to surpass the capability of the stock Rubicon in all but a few areas.

Before reading too far it is important to realize that some mods (lift, for instance are basically going to insta-void your warranty - however some extended service contracts can be had for a small additional fee for modifications that aren't too outrageous, such as a 2.5 inch lift)

Basically the Rubi gives you the lockers, and the D44 Front axle... Lockers would cost you about 1200 per axle to install on a lower model jeep, and you can buff the D30 axle up for about another 1000 bucks. The electric disconnects on the rubi are ok, but you're going to break that sooner or later... Quick disconnects for a lower model jeep will run you about 90 to 150 bucks.

So there you are, for the price of a low model jeep +5000 bucks or so you're already going to walk all over a stock rubicon -- How much more are you going to pay for that rubi?

That D44 front axle is the main thing making the Rubicon a great rig. Its a lot buffer than the D30. putting a D44 into your low model wrangler is going to cost about 3k bucks (assuming you want a locker also).

So, thats the deal -- The rubi is best off the lot wranger if you don't want to modify... But if you are willing to do some mods, you can make ANY jeep as mean as you want to make it.

This video from teraflex should be required viewing... It will help to Illustrate some of what I just talked about... The stock rubicon is not the unstoppable beast that Jeep would like you to believe - not till you sink a little cash in it.

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I generally agree with KurtVW there I myself am still not sure if it would have been better to get the rubi instead of my sport, but in simpler terms, here's the difference:

The Rubicon comes with a basic d44 front, decent e lockers, decent front swaybar disco, and a slightly lower transfer case (4:1 instead of 2.72), and a 4.10 diff gearing. But keep in mind that these are not premium things, but are simple upgrades...

Therefore:

If you absolutely plan on keeping it pretty much stock (careful about this since a lot of people thing they will but don't), and you have the money, than absolutely no doubt get the Rubi. Also If you plan on lifting to a max of a 4" lift and a max of 37" tires, AND you don't mind the occasional axle maintenace/upgrade when you break stuff, then yes go with the Rubi, it will save you money from having to upgrade and axle etc. You might even be able to get away with leaving the 4.10 diff gears alone since the new pentastar jeeps and transmissions don't have nearly as much of a power/torque issue.

BUT If you plan on wheeling really hard, or want to go any bigger than 37s, than that D44 w/ Elocker set up isn't going to hold up, and you're going to end up breaking and upgrading it anyway. Also if you're planning on upgrading the engine, that transfer case probably won't hold up either. In that case, the sport will save you money, and then you can get some hardcore axles with really strong lockers and lower gears, in which case you'd be wasting your money going with the rubi.

LOL, I guess that wasen't so much shorter or simpler and it probably didn't make up your mind for you but that's my experience. I'm perfectly happy with my Sport on a 4" and 35s and will one day overhaul everything with very nice stuff.
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Im so undecided about what to get, a wrangler s or a rubi, would love to have the rubi to go mudding here in florida, but im just not sure how much I would use it. My options would be:

2014 wrangler s 2 door
lsd
373 gears
connect group
power group
hardtop
6 speed

2014 rubi 2 door
connect group
power group
hardtop
6 speed

I second guess on the choice, do to the fact that I wont be wheeling every day, maybe a couple times a month. But it would also be used for trips, and I know how that rubi runs high rpms on the highway. I have been thinking the wrangler s would do a fine job for me, but I have always wanted a rubi. I welcome all input.
This may be apples to oranges - but several years ago my wife and I were shopping for a house. There was one built and ready to move in - it would have met all of our needs and we could have been happy. However, there was a model home a cross the street that was a little bigger, a little nicer, and cost more. I asked my wife, "if we buy the lesser house, when you pull into the neighborhood and see the nicer house, will you be disappointed, and always wanting more?" Here response was, "yes" so we bought the nicer house.

So if money is not an issue, and if every time you are driving down the road and see a rubi while you are in your sport and you are green with envy, then buy the rubi.

If not, for the kind of wheeling you want to do and that you described in your post, the sport would probably suffice.
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In my opinion i say sport. Its cheaper for one and can handle more than you will ever probably put it through. I went with the sport and havent regretted it once. If your gonna wheel that hard that you need lockers and elec discos and such i would still go with the sport. Bc all the stock rubi stuff is marginally good, and will be replaced shortly trust me. The only thing i really like on the rubi is the 44 up front. But even then you can run into some issues with aftermarket diff covers and track bars. None for me! Lol and a dana 30 is a very strong axle. I know guys running sports with 37's on em. Stock. Not stock height of course. And they wheel so hard. The dana 30 is not the toothpick everyone makes it out to be. Guys with superior skill and experience will run circles around the locked boys with open diffs any day.
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Im so undecided about what to get, a wrangler s or a rubi, would love to have the rubi to go mudding here in florida, but im just not sure how much I would use it. My options would be:

2014 wrangler s 2 door
lsd
373 gears
connect group
power group
hardtop
6 speed

2014 rubi 2 door
connect group
power group
hardtop
6 speed

I second guess on the choice, do to the fact that I wont be wheeling every day, maybe a couple times a month. But it would also be used for trips, and I know how that rubi runs high rpms on the highway. I have been thinking the wrangler s would do a fine job for me, but I have always wanted a rubi. I welcome all input.
Stevie....stevie...stevie... why the angst?

Don't fret ....you had a 2012 Sport.....did you like it? Did it do what you wanted? Did you take it off road as much as you thought? Did it get the fuel mileage that you can live with driving it around?

Answer these questions... a moment of clarity will ensue...then you'll make the right decision.
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Runs higher RPMs on the highway?

A 4.10 isn't that much higher than a 3.73. I can get on the interstate do 75 mph with the engine comfortably turning.
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. Guys with superior skill and experience will run circles around the locked boys with open diffs any day.
True well kinda, but locked up guys with exp and skill will always come out on top VS open rigs even if they have less skill. Just because someone with skill can do something with lesser equipment then someone who dose not have a clue what they are doing but has better equipment does not mean skill wins every time. That's like saying you don't need horse power to win a drag race because a grown man in a 200hp car can beat a 6 year old in a 1000hp car every time.

A locked up rig in the hands of a guy that has never even been off road can still do things that someone that has been wheeling there whole life in on oppen rig can't, it comes down to two wheels pulling vs all four pulling.


Proof being that I have seen guys with LOTS more experience have a locker failer resulting in being left with one or two oppen diffs. Guess what, they never run circles around the rigs that are still locked up, even the ones driven by a new guy or gal.

Maybe we just have a different idea of what "hard" wheeling is though.
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Lockers do amazing things when you know how to use them. Iv done some trails that I still wonder how I made it through. 100% i wouldn't have. Nor will any rig without lockers. There is carnage to Proove it.
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All very valid points, thanks everyone.
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Me personally? I want something that is trail ready NOW so I'm going with the Rubi. Will it get modified later? Yes. But I will have a fully capable machine to go have fun in without waiting.
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Being in the same predicament as you, i feel your pain. I'm guessing this will be your daily drive as mine will. I don't really car about badges, so it's not an ego thing for me to choose a Rubicon. I have stood next to/climbed into a 4" lifted jeep with 37" and i can say i wouldn't want to climb into that each and every day. So my justification for wanting a Rubi is: As stated above the Discos & Lockers will work fine with 35" tires which I won't be going over and are easy to operate. The 4:10 gears will handle the 35" tires without needing to re-gear. I will likely only go with 33"x12.5" tires and 17" wheels at first which means i won't need a lift right away as a result i won't be voiding my warranty while i still have payments. Even when i do decide to go for a lift i don't plan on going over 2-1/2". Lastly, i seriously doubt i will have the balls/courage to push the Rubicon beyond its limits anytime soon. Just my 2 cents.
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I'm on my third Wrangler now, none of them rubicons, and I've never had "Rubi envy". I'm not saying I don't want one but, aside from the lockers and the T-case, there isn't anything on there that you can easily duplicate on an S and certainly nothing to justify paying that ridiculous amount for a Jeep. (Don't get in a panty twist, Rubicon owners, I'm not attacking you.) Any Jeep is only as good as the driver. Just having that Rubicon decal doesn't mean you'll conquer anything you drive at. I've gone places other rigs couldn't go and I've seen less built Jeeps than mine go through stuff that stopped me. My opinion would be to go with the S, save a lot of money, and build it up yourself. If you're not going to mod it...much, then go with the Rubicon.
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LOL, this is the same conversation that Corvette, Mustang, Camaro etc guys have all the time on their forums as well. It never ends. Base coupe or Z06, GT or GT500, SS or ZL1. The arguments are always the same as well. One half touts how they can take the "regular" version and mod it so it will destroy the higher end version at half the cost. The other half points out all the things that makes theirs better and how much it would actually cost to buy those things aftermarket, or says how they aren't interested in heavy mods and wanted a higher performing vehicle from the beginning yada yada.

Same old poo, just a different brand LOL. The lesson? Just buy whatever you want and be happy.
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Get the S. It is surprisingly capable, especially for what you want to do. Get bigger tires (33-35"), procal, a modest lift or just chop or replace your fender flares for clearance, a front bumper, and maybe a winch to get you out of that mud. That will cost you way less than a Rubi for your needs.

I was in the same situation with all intention of off roading twice a month. However, because of difficulty coordinating with others and schedule, it just never happened. I off roaded 6 times the whole year. Plus I was concerned about potentially damaging something I was still making payments on.

Luckily I didn't damage my rig, I ended up needing to sell it, sadly, to get rid of some debt because of some big life changes. (Big move, new house, etc). Now for off roading and my short commutes, I got a YJ that I won't be bankrupt if I damage it.

Your situation maybe different, but definitely think about it before paying the premium for your Jeep.
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LOL, this is the same conversation that Corvette, Mustang, Camaro etc guys have all the time on their forums as well. It never ends. Base coupe or Z06, GT or GT500, SS or ZL1. The arguments are always the same as well. One half touts how they can take the "regular" version and mod it so it will destroy the higher end version at half the cost. The other half points out all the things that makes theirs better and how much it would actually cost to buy those things aftermarket, or says how they aren't interested in heavy mods and wanted a higher performing vehicle from the beginning yada yada.

Same old boo-boo, just a different brand LOL. The lesson? Just buy whatever you want and be happy.
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The S is the best value for the buck--but if money is no object then why not get the Rubi. 90% of the people who buy the Rubi will never really use it--it kinda turns into a status symbol for them. So if you have to ask the question if you need the rubi then most likely you don't so save the cash and get the S--and spend the cash on customizing.
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The question really comes down to....how often are you going to go off-road? I sometimes think posters feel compelled to say they (will) off-road more than they really do (or will). But on the flip side, you may be one of those posters that buys a Wrangler, gets the bug, and goes off-roading every weekend.

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Very good points, thanks everyone, im going to go with the Wrangler S model, I realize now that I may not utilize a Rubi, and that would just be a waste, like I said, I may go wheeling a couple times a month, and even with that, I still don't know where to go in Florida, other then hardrock in Ocala. It will see more beach then anything, since I go almost every weekend in the summer. I will post a pic the first time I get it stuck, so all the Rubi guys can say, "I told you so", lol!
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Going through this decision myself. It looks like both have the same size tire. Does the Rubi ride higher than the Sport S? I know it has different suspension but I don't know if that means more lift.

Also, the premium Alpine sound is standard on the Rubicon. Some say it only adds a subwoofer. I want the best sound I can get short of a Nav system which I don't want so the standard 130 is fine. But if the Alpine system is better, at all, I want to make sure to find one that has it.

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Going through this decision myself. It looks like both have the same size tire. Does the Rubi ride higher than the Sport S? I know it has different suspension but I don't know if that means more lift.

Also, the premium Alpine sound is standard on the Rubicon. Some say it only adds a subwoofer. I want the best sound I can get short of a Nav system which I don't want so the standard 130 is fine. But if the Alpine system is better, at all, I want to make sure to find one that has it.

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Based on the difference between the stock ride height of the Sahara vs the Rubi (0.3 inches), and based on the difference between the length of the shocks on the Sport vs the Sahara vs the Rubi....I would estimate the Rubi rides maybe a half inch higher than a Sport S on. BUT.....that is a pure guess because Jeep seems to use spring rates at random. So it is possible for Sport S to ride higher than a Rubi.

The premium audio systems adds an amp, upgraded speakers,and a sub with a 12V outlet. It is better than the standard system, but it is still kinda lame overall.
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Based on the difference between the stock ride height of the Sahara vs the Rubi (0.3 inches), and based on the difference between the length of the shocks on the Sport vs the Sahara vs the Rubi....I would estimate the Rubi rides maybe a half inch higher than a Sport S on. BUT.....that is a pure guess because Jeep seems to use spring rates at random. So it is possible for Sport S to ride higher than a Rubi.

The premium audio systems adds an amp, upgraded speakers,and a sub with a 12V outlet. It is better than the standard system, but it is still kinda lame overall.
Okay got it.

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Very good points, thanks everyone, im going to go with the Wrangler S model, I realize now that I may not utilize a Rubi, and that would just be a waste, like I said, I may go wheeling a couple times a month, and even with that, I still don't know where to go in Florida, other then hardrock in Ocala. It will see more beach then anything, since I go almost every weekend in the summer. I will post a pic the first time I get it stuck, so all the Rubi guys can say, "I told you so", lol!
Steve I knew you would finalize the decision. I wanted a Rubicon since I test drove an Inca gold one in 2003. I wanted one so bad.

I ended up with a 2013 Sahara. I'll take it on fire roads in Northern WI and the Upper Pennisula of Mich. but really nothing hard core. So I shot down the Rubicon for something a 53 grandpa can drive everyday...even in the winter snow.

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