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Old 04-10-2013, 08:08 AM   #1
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I've got a 2013 JKU Sport. The specs say a tow capacity of 2000lbs. I was looking into purchasing a new Chaparral bow rider, but its weight is 2300 lbs.


Has anyone been pulling anything heavier on a regular basis? I don't want to tear up the jeep but I know sometimes those specs are conservative.

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Old 04-10-2013, 08:13 AM   #2
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A big factor is your gear ratio. 373 and 410 are for the higher capacity. The other deal is if you are in a wreck and over weight you might not be covered by your insurance.

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remember to add to the boat weight: trailer, fuel and gear.
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I tow this with no problems. It weighs in at about 3500lbs with trailer and gas. Regularly tow it 200 miles without any trouble. You know it's back there, but it's not bad. Just make sure your trailer brakes work. BTW I've got 4.10 gears which help.
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I tow a 4200 lb boat. The number includes, boat, trailer and gear. Tongue weight is 170. Tows fine. Boats are a whole different ball of wax from towing an RV, for example. Tongue weights are lower, frontal area is smaller, and aerodynamic drag is much lower.

My Jeep has 3.73s and an auto. The boat trailer has brakes. I replaced the factory hitch with another model (DrawTite MaxFrame) that is beefier. That may not be needed but it gives me peace of mind.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:10 AM   #6
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isnt the towing capacity for a JKU 3500lbs and only 2000 for a JK?
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isnt the towing capacity for a JKU 3500lbs and only 2000 for a JK?
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isnt the towing capacity for a JKU 3500lbs and only 2000 for a JK?
For JKU with a 3.73 or better. The stick JKU with 3.21s is only 1000, apparently! Fiat must think that we still need to go 0-60 in under 10 even when towing.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:36 AM   #9
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Ah..I see now.
U r correct. JKU up to 3500. OK. Disregard this thread..lol
Thanks for the feedback tho.
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For JKU with a 3.73 or better. The stick JKU with 3.21s is only 1000, apparently! Fiat must think that we still need to go 0-60 in under 10 even when towing.
And they don't realize it's the same brakes, frame, steering, and suspension(rubi gets diff shocks and max tow increases your chances of stiffer springs but doesn't guarantee it)

So in theory, you can stop, steer, and handle with the same amount of weight. They just think 3.21 won't be able to actually go forward.

I don't agree with the weight recommendations but I generally try to follow them as close as possible
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Has anyone ever seen a post about an accident where the load was over and the insurance didn't cover/driver got a ticket?
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Has anyone ever seen a post about an accident where the load was over and the insurance didn't cover/driver got a ticket?
All states have laws against "unsafe load" and I know a guy who was carrying bricks to the dump and was ticketed. You would have to be very obvious to be stopped (probable cause).
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You guys and your heavy boats!
Mine fully rigged on the trailer is about 800lbs.
The TJ never knew it was back there, I don't think the JK will notice either.
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I tow a 4200 lb boat. The number includes, boat, trailer and gear. Tongue weight is 170. Tows fine. Boats are a whole different ball of wax from towing an RV, for example. Tongue weights are lower, frontal area is smaller, and aerodynamic drag is much lower.

My Jeep has 3.73s and an auto. The boat trailer has brakes. I replaced the factory hitch with another model (DrawTite MaxFrame) that is beefier. That may not be needed but it gives me peace of mind.
Towing over the limit is unsafe, for you, and eveyone else on the road.
You should stick to the maximum 3500# vehicle tow rating.
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Towing over the limit is unsafe, for you, and eveyone else on the road.
You should stick to the maximum 3500# vehicle tow rating.
I follow the ratings found on the UK Jeep site: 2000kg = 4400 lbs for a trailer with brakes. They are for the same vehicle as mine (well the steering wheel is on the other side, so not exactly the same).
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I follow the ratings found on the UK Jeep site: 2000kg = 4400 lbs for a trailer with brakes. They are for the same vehicle as mine (well the steering wheel is on the other side, so not exactly the same).
I thought you were from AZ. Not the U.K. .

How does one argue with that type of rationalization?
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I thought you were from AZ. Not the U.K.

How does one argue with that type of rationalization?
The point is that the recommendation is not some inviolable number and it even varies depending on the market where the Jeep is sold. It depends on many factors. For example, on another thread, I advised a guy not to pull a 8x18 enclosed trailer based on my experience pulling my own 7x16 with my Jeep. His loaded weight, and mine, are both below the 3500 "limit" but the size of the trailer, how it loads up the hitch ball, and the drag from the wind and cross winds as well as trucks passing all make towing it an uncomfortable experience. Based on the 3500 limit it would be safe, but based on real world experience it is not, IMO.

In any case, I do not wish to argue with you about this. I am simply giving my opinion based on years of towing experience and recent experience with my Jeep and my "stuff" in response to an inquiry from another member.
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I thought you were from AZ. Not the U.K. .

How does one argue with that type of rationalization?
It shouldn't help the rationale. The 2 jeeps are different.

All foreign jeeps are manufactured with larger diameter rotors. It is a significant difference too. So much that 16" rims rarely fit if they even fit at all. The larger diameter rotor pushes the caliper out farther from the axle, meaning it can apply more force on the axle shaft(leverage) based on this, foreign JK's have a greater stopping power.

I'd feel more comfortable going over the limit if I modified things to help control it and set of bigger brakes would be the first thing, followed by the heaviest front bumper/winch combo I could find
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It strikes me as a little disingenuous that folks who modify their jeeps by adding lift kits which negatively alter the steering, stability, handling, braking, roll over angle, point of impact and crush zones, not to mention bumpers and heavy winches which may load beyond the design of the front axle worry about someone who pulls a trailer that is a couple hundred pounds over the sticker on infrequent occasions. I suspect they would all say "it handles just fine" and expect me to leave it at that. Fair enough. That is what I say about my boat trailer too.
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I don't think that a few hundred pounds over weight is the end of the world. I'd be more concerned with the frontal area of the trailer as stated above. The wind affects these jeeps enough without a trailer dragging behind.
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It strikes me as a little disingenuous that folks who modify their jeeps by adding lift kits which negatively alter the steering, stability, handling, braking, roll over angle, point of impact and crush zones, not to mention bumpers and heavy winches which may load beyond the design of the front axle worry about someone who pulls a trailer that is a couple hundred pounds over the sticker on infrequent occasions. I suspect they would all say "it handles just fine" and expect me to leave it at that. Fair enough. That is what I say about my boat trailer too.
I'd agree with that. We all take risks modifying or towing our jeeps. We all assume liability for our jeeps. It's hard to throw stones and say that one thing is drastically worse than the other
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It strikes me as a little disingenuous that folks who modify their jeeps by adding lift kits which negatively alter the steering, stability, handling, braking, roll over angle, point of impact and crush zones, not to mention bumpers and heavy winches which may load beyond the design of the front axle worry about someone who pulls a trailer that is a couple hundred pounds over the sticker on infrequent occasions. I suspect they would all say "it handles just fine" and expect me to leave it at that. Fair enough. That is what I say about my boat trailer too.
Good point. When people upgrade from stock tires to a lift and 37's, most questions I see are for gears and acceleration. Not many questions about brakes.

Also, I did not know the Jeep rotors from other other parts of the world are bigger. Seems strange jeep did that.....
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I'm not in this for an argument but I'm going to say it. If the semi that couldn't stop, because it was over weight, hit the van your loved ones were in and killed them it wouldn't be a big deal to you? Hmmm....
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It strikes me as a little disingenuous that folks who modify their jeeps by adding lift kits which negatively alter the steering, stability, handling, braking, roll over angle, point of impact and crush zones, not to mention bumpers and heavy winches which may load beyond the design of the front axle worry about someone who pulls a trailer that is a couple hundred pounds over the sticker on infrequent occasions. I suspect they would all say "it handles just fine" and expect me to leave it at that. Fair enough. That is what I say about my boat trailer too.
I could not agree more.

That’s why I only installed the heaviest factory Mopar springs (19/60) and better shocks (RS9000XL) to handle the heavier loads of towing.
And I installed shorter tires than the SportS, Sahara and Rubicon stock 32" tires.
My BFG A/T KO 32x11.5-15 tires are only 31.7" and can carry a heavier load than the stock Sport 16" tires.

As far as the bumpers go. I installed the Mopar Offroad front and rear bumpers(approx. 200lbs total). Since I removed the rear seat and do not carry rear seat passengers. The removal of the seat (approx. 50lbs.) and factory bumpers (approx. 40lbs.) negates the effect of the heavier bumpers.

I tow a 1865lb boat and trailer.
I realize the JK is too short of a wheelbase to safely tow beyond the 2000lbs capacity.
Even after doing all that, it still feels as though it is marginal in its towing abilities.
So I have limited my towing to 15 miles to the local lake.

The other reason I did not add a lift kit and taller than 32" tires, was to reduce the chance of my Lifetime Warranty being voided.

Dealer(installed spring and shocks) said the new Mopar springs would not be covered on the Lifetime warranty because they were not from factory.

I parked my JK next to a stock JK Rubicon. And they were almost identical in height. My shorter tire and slightly taller/heavier springs were offset by the Rubicon taller tires and shorter/lighter springs.
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I'm not in this for an argument but I'm going to say it. If the semi that couldn't stop, because it was over weight, hit the van your loved ones were in and killed them it wouldn't be a big deal to you? Hmmm....
Did you just compare an overloaded semi to an overloaded jeep? While I see your point, one might seem to have a little more destructive power when hitting a minivan full of my loved ones...
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Did you just compare an overloaded semi to an overloaded jeep? While I see your point, one might seem to have a little more destructive power when hitting a minivan full of my loved ones...
Just trying to make a point that weight restrictions are there for a reason. While some can handle an over weight trailer there are others that, well, shouldn't even drive.
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Just trying to make a point that weight restrictions are there for a reason. While some can handle an over weight trailer there are others that, well, shouldn't even drive.
Hahaha it's good to see that other people are on the same page! Just giving you a hard time. I'm quite excited to see how my Jeep does pulling the snowmachines next year!
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I'm not in this for an argument but I'm going to say it. If the semi that couldn't stop, because it was over weight, hit the van your loved ones were in and killed them it wouldn't be a big deal to you? Hmmm....
A trailer is not(should not be) stopped by the tow vehicle brakes on all but the lightest of trailers. My boat trailer has surge brakes on all four wheels and it actually stops the Jeep. By that I mean that I can really feel the brakes kick in on the trailer when I slow down the Jeep. So much that it is annoying. With the surge brakes, though there is not a lot I can do about it. The trailer was also standard for boats that are much heavier than mine. My other trailer has electric brakes and I can set the gain on them to have whatever level of trailer braking I want from lock the wheels to let 'er roll. I can stop. I'm not a runaway train. No worries there.
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a trailer is not(should not be) stopped by the tow vehicle brakes on all but the lightest of trailers. My boat trailer has surge brakes on all four wheels and it actually stops the jeep. By that i mean that i can really feel the brakes kick in on the trailer when i slow down the jeep. So much that it is annoying. With the surge brakes, though there is not a lot i can do about it. The trailer was also standard for boats that are much heavier than mine. My other trailer has electric brakes and i can set the gain on them to have whatever level of trailer braking i want from lock the wheels to let 'er roll. I can stop. I'm not a runaway train. No worries there.
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