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Old 04-29-2013, 09:22 PM   #1
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Towing Capabilities

I have just join the forum and have had a number of Jeeps over the past 30 yrs. I just purchased a 2013 Sahara Wrangler Unlimited with the Tow Group Package and was told by the dealership that it could toll 3,500 lbs. They confirmed this in the 2013 brochure on page 4 as well as on Jeeps Website, Under Towing. However I just discovered that it can only tow up to 2,000 lbs. I purchased the new Jeep because it has 40% more horsepower than my 2010 Sahara that I traded. But now my towing capacity is approximately 40% less.
Has anyone else experience this problem?
If so what did you do to fix it?

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Where did you get the 2000lb number? Directly on your Jeep? I have a 2-door Sport on order with 3.73 axle. My brochure (Canadian) says it's good for 3500 lbs with the 3.73. I'll be PISSED if that's not the case, as I'm buying it because of the 3500lb capacity.

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I have just join the forum and have had a number of Jeeps over the past 30 yrs. I just purchased a 2013 Sahara Wrangler Unlimited with the Tow Group Package and was told by the dealership that it could toll 3,500 lbs. They confirmed this in the 2013 brochure on page 4 as well as on Jeeps Website, Under Towing. However I just discovered that it can only tow up to 2,000 lbs. I purchased the new Jeep because it has 40% more horsepower than my 2010 Sahara that I traded. But now my towing capacity is approximately 40% less.
Has anyone else experience this problem?
If so what did you do to fix it?
Do you have "Trailer Tow" or "Max Tow"?
My guess is you have Trailer Tow with 3.21's instead of 3.73's. Not a lot you can do about it except regear. That will run you about $1500
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I thought all of the 2 doors were limited to 2,000 lbs max no matter the gears. The JKU can tow up to 3,500 lbs with max tow and the 3.73 (or 4.10 in Rubicon) gears. I believe 3.21 gears in the JKU limit you to 2,000 lbs.
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I thought all of the 2 doors were limited to 2,000 lbs max no matter the gears. The JKU can tow up to 3,500 lbs with max tow and the 3.73 (or 4.10 in Rubicon) gears. I believe 3.21 gears in the JKU limit you to 2,000 lbs.
There is usually a lot of confusion over this. You can find different information everywhere and this question always brings up a debate about safety. As far as the manual is concerned: on a 2 door 3.21 gears is 1000# and everything else is 2000#. On a 4 door, the 3.21 is 2,000lbs and everything else is 3500lbs. What you chose to tow is up to you. You're an adult and can make your own decisions. One thing that is important to note tho: all wranglers, provided they aren't euro spec, have the same brakes no matter the trim level or door count
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Towing will not be an issue...just controlling the package and maybe stopping under control
everything stops sooner or later
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I'm planning on ignoring the 1000kg limit on my yet to arrive JKU. 1000kg! (2200lb), I have an empty trailer that weighs more than that. It is ridiculous that a JKU (diesel one at that (339 lb/ft)) can not pull heavier.

When they came to the UK in 2007 the diesel was rated at 3500kg (7,700 lb), all they have done since then is increase the power of the CRD engine, more torque and for mine, raise the axle to 3:21.

I am completely sure that the JKU will pull with ease.
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Pulling is not the same as controlling.

Being able to do something does not means it should be done.

Some folks dont use their owners manual to tell them what they can tow. Others use their checkbooks and insurance policies to decide how much they can afford if/when something goes wrong....and let that determin what they can tow.

Now...just for the sake of discussion...how do you think that affordability factor is adjusted if you have exceeded your rated towing capacity? Sounds like pay-day for lawyers.

In the end...only you can choose what you strap to the back of your buggy. Do so with an understanding of the potential consequences.

Hope for the best. Plan for the worst.

Lastly, I may be completely wrong about this, but I have a hunch the 7,700# rating you refer to is GVWR which is GROSS weight. That is the total combined weight of the vehicle, everything in it, and everything it is towing. I do not think any wrangler has ever been rated to TOW 7,700 pounds. I could be wrong.
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The 3500kg (7700) was correct for the UK, it matched the land rover defender.
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There is usually a lot of confusion over this. You can find different information everywhere and this question always brings up a debate about safety. As far as the manual is concerned: on a 2 door 3.21 gears is 1000# and everything else is 2000#. On a 4 door, the 3.21 is 2,000lbs and everything else is 3500lbs. What you chose to tow is up to you. You're an adult and can make your own decisions. One thing that is important to note tho: all wranglers, provided they aren't euro spec, have the same brakes no matter the trim level or door count
X2, I don't know where some of you are getting your numbers from, maybe wishful thinking, but for capacity/safety this is correct!
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The 3500kg (7700) was correct for the UK, it matched the land rover defender.
Prototyped but not produced.

There is a huge difference between advertised and certified.

The J8 was porported to have 7,700# towing due to rear leaf springs. The Department of Transportation (authority over civilain vehicles) disagreed with thier rationalization.

Dontcha think if Daimler Chrysler could legally say 7,700 pound towing...they would?

Tow what you like. A smar and careful person can easily tow over the "limit" with no problems....if nothing goes wrong. An idiot cant tow under the "limit" even if everything goes right.
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It's in your owners manual and your quick guide that should have come with your jeep.
The Sport 2 door with the 3.73 is rated at 2,000 and 200 lb tongue weight.
The Sport 4 door with the 3.73 is rated at 3,500 and 350 lb tongue weight.
I was mad when I discovered this. To confirm this you can call Jeep directly and give them your vin number. 800-992-1997. That's what I did.
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There is a ton of confusion. It depends on the year, the transmission, and what source you look from.

Since the OP has a 2013 4 door, this applies:

For the 2012 and 2013's, All 2 doors regardless of transmissions or axle ratio are rated at 2000 pounds.
All 4 doors with 3.21's, regardless of transmission, are rated at 2000 pounds.
All 4 doors with 3.73's or 4.10's, regardless of transmission, are rated at 3500 pounds.

The pre 2012 ratings are different:
For instance, if it is a manual tranny with 3.21's it is 1000 pounds for the 4 door, but I've seen other sources show 1500 pounds. The auto 4 doors are all 3500 pounds.

Very confusing.....especially with so many sources. Chrysler really needs to clean it up.
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Off topic, here panther, but is 4.10 gears standard with a Rubi manual? I'm putting my order in, but we didn't see that option in dealer connect.

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It's not really confusing if you read the manual. The 4 door unlimited with 3.21's is rated to tow 1000lbs. With 3.73's it's 3500lbs. It contains a table in there someplace. Also never trust a salesman, they're looking to manipulate you into buying stuff and it's uncommon to find one with actual facts.

As for my opinion on breaking the rules: I'll guess exceeding 3500lbs with the max tow package is a safety issue and exceeding 1000lbs with the tall 3.21 diffs is a performance and/or drivetrain durability issue.
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Off topic, here panther, but is 4.10 gears standard with a Rubi manual? I'm putting my order in, but we didn't see that option in dealer connect.

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Yes, 4.10's are standard for the Rubi manual only. Starting in 2012, auto Rubi's came with 3.73's.
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It's not really confusing if you read the manual. The 4 door unlimited with 3.21's is rated to tow 1000lbs. With 3.73's it's 3500lbs. It contains a table in there someplace. Also never trust a salesman, they're looking to manipulate you into buying stuff and it's uncommon to find one with actual facts.

As for my opinion on breaking the rules: I'll guess exceeding 3500lbs with the max tow package is a safety issue and exceeding 1000lbs with the tall 3.21 diffs is a performance and/or drivetrain durability issue.
That is the problem. The manual was (and may still be) screwed up.

When the 2012's came out, the chart was not updated....it did not even include AUTO's with 3.21's.
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Yes, 4.10's are standard for the Rubi manual only. Starting in 2012, auto Rubi's came with 3.73's.
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I'm not sure where everyone is looking, but Jeep's website (via the Jeep App) shows that EVERY JKU can tow 3,500lbs. The only thing that changes between models/trans is payload capacity. It says 3,500 with optional trailer tow package. The only thing Max Tow gives you is 3.73's and I think sway damping to assist with heavier loads. I would drop an email to Jeep Corporate and get an email confirmation to be safe in case something goes all bad.
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I'm not sure where everyone is looking, but Jeep's website (via the Jeep App) shows that EVERY JKU can tow 3,500lbs. The only thing that changes between models/trans is payload capacity. It says 3,500 with optional trailer tow package. The only thing Max Tow gives you is 3.73's and I think sway damping to assist with heavier loads. I would drop an email to Jeep Corporate and get an email confirmation to be safe in case something goes all bad.
Yeah, that is all incorrect.
And I would avoid emailing Jeep....been there...tried that.
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Yeah, that is all incorrect.
And I would avoid emailing Jeep....been there...tried that.
But it sounds like no one is 100% sure on this. Sounds like safe bets are JKU with max tow can do 3500. Without max tow is probably at the risk of person towing.

All I know is OP needs to be safe and tow within reason. I plan to tow 3k fully loaded (trailer, rzr, gear), but I have max tow.
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But it sounds like no one is 100% sure on this. Sounds like safe bets are JKU with max tow can do 3500. Without max tow is probably at the risk of person towing.

All I know is OP needs to be safe and tow within reason. I plan to tow 3k fully loaded (trailer, rzr, gear), but I have max tow.
This is what I use.
2 door:
http://www.media.chrysler.com/dcxms/...gler_Specs.pdf

4 door:
http://www.media.chrysler.com/dcxms/...nltd_Specs.pdf

These are the official spec sheets from the Chrysler Group website as part of their press release packages.

But yeah, it is a mess. Different sites say different things. I emailed them once (because I think 2012 4 door auto's with 3.21's should be able to tow 3500 pounds, but that is a different story). I was told that 2012 auto's with 3.21's do not exist (because that combination was not in the 2012 owners manaul....I tried to explain that the owners manual was incorrect....but it went no where).

There is a "great" thread about that email exchange floating around this site somewhere.
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I looked into this a little deeper and found that most of the confusion started in 2012
When jeep added the Max Tow Group Package that allows the unlimited to tow 3,500 pounds by including the 3.73 gears as part of the Max Tow Group Package.
Prior to 2012 The Tow Group Package included the 3.73 gears.
Jeeps web site states that the Tow Group Package includes the 3.73 gears.
I printed this out and took it to the dealership with the window sticker that came on my Jeep that shows that I paid for the Tow Group Package. They said they would upgrade the gearing to 3.73 at no charge to me. So I left my Jeep with them and will pick it up tomorrow. They also told me Jeep was paying for the parts and they would cover the labor. Hope this info is helpful. If you paid for the Tow Group Package you should have the 3.73 gear ratio and the ability to tow 3,500 with the Wrangler Unlimited.
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I looked into this a little deeper and found that most of the confusion started in 2012
When jeep added the Max Tow Group Package that allows the unlimited to tow 3,500 pounds by including the 3.73 gears as part of the Max Tow Group Package.
Prior to 2012 The Tow Group Package included the 3.73 gears.
Jeeps web site states that the Tow Group Package includes the 3.73 gears.
I printed this out and took it to the dealership with the window sticker that came on my Jeep that shows that I paid for the Tow Group Package. They said they would upgrade the gearing to 3.73 at no charge to me. So I left my Jeep with them and will pick it up tomorrow. They also told me Jeep was paying for the parts and they would cover the labor. Hope this info is helpful. If you paid for the Tow Group Package you should have the 3.73 gear ratio and the ability to tow 3,500 with the Wrangler Unlimited.
It is awesome that you were able to get that worked out!
Yup, the problem started in 2012, and it has been a mess ever since. I know exactly what you are talking about when you refer to the Jeep website showing "Trailer Tow" (instead of Max Tow) with a 3500 pound rating.....that portion of the website is incorrect, the owners manuals are incorrect, it has just been a total cluster....glad you made out ok.
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I looked into this a little deeper and found that most of the confusion started in 2012
When jeep added the Max Tow Group Package that allows the unlimited to tow 3,500 pounds by including the 3.73 gears as part of the Max Tow Group Package.
Prior to 2012 The Tow Group Package included the 3.73 gears.
Jeeps web site states that the Tow Group Package includes the 3.73 gears.
I printed this out and took it to the dealership with the window sticker that came on my Jeep that shows that I paid for the Tow Group Package. They said they would upgrade the gearing to 3.73 at no charge to me. So I left my Jeep with them and will pick it up tomorrow. They also told me Jeep was paying for the parts and they would cover the labor. Hope this info is helpful. If you paid for the Tow Group Package you should have the 3.73 gear ratio and the ability to tow 3,500 with the Wrangler Unlimited.
Well, you got lucky. It isn't 2012 anymore and what it was called then really doesn't matter. It is pretty clear that there are two tow options: the tow group and MAX tow group. The tow group is a hitch and plug. The MAX tow is a hitch, plug, AND 3.73 gears. If Jeep is paying for a rear end swap for you and you actually spec'd and paid for the vanilla tow package, then you are getting the deal of a lifetime!
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I was doing some more research on Max Tow last night. Here is what I figured out from other posts on this forum:

Max Tow gives you the 3.73's (nothing that really impacts the "ability" to tow except getting the load moving and probably a little assistance on downhill coasting I would guess.

It also says it gives you Sway Control, but reading on the site here all 2012's with the Stability control include this feature regardless of Max Tow or not.

So my conclusion is there is no difference in Tow vs. Max Tow when it comes to safety or load capacity. Am I missing something here? I saw something about heavy duty springs, but didn't find any concrete evidence that they changed with Max Tow package. If they did, then I guess that would impact the ability to safely tow 3500 without Max Tow.
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Well, you got lucky. It isn't 2012 anymore and what it was called then really doesn't matter. It is pretty clear that there are two tow options: the tow group and MAX tow group. The tow group is a hitch and plug. The MAX tow is a hitch, plug, AND 3.73 gears. If Jeep is paying for a rear end swap for you and you actually spec'd and paid for the vanilla tow package, then you are getting the deal of a lifetime!
I agree that it is awesome he is getting taken care of, but look right here:
2013 Wrangler Unlimited | Towing Capability and Towing Capacity | Jeep
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Just think of the possibilities. Wrangler Unlimited can tow a healthy 3,500 pounds, when properly equipped with the Trailer Tow Group.


Trailer Tow Group
The available Trailer Tow Group includes a Class II receiver hitch, 4-pin adapter, Dana 44 heavy-duty solid rear axle and 3.73:1 axle ratio (deletes rear tow hook, if equipped).


That is directly from the 2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited webpage.

It's wrong.... It says Trailer Tow Group can tow 3500 pounds and has 3.73's when we know that it is actually Max Tow that comes with 3.73's and has the 3500 pound rating (for Non Rubi's)

Of course, you can also order Trailer Tow and 3.73's on a stand-alone and get the 3500 pound rating as well, but Jeep does not make that clear.
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I was doing some more research on Max Tow last night. Here is what I figured out from other posts on this forum:

Max Tow gives you the 3.73's (nothing that really impacts the "ability" to tow except getting the load moving and probably a little assistance on downhill coasting I would guess.

It also says it gives you Sway Control, but reading on the site here all 2012's with the Stability control include this feature regardless of Max Tow or not.

So my conclusion is there is no difference in Tow vs. Max Tow when it comes to safety or load capacity. Am I missing something here? I saw something about heavy duty springs, but didn't find any concrete evidence that they changed with Max Tow package. If they did, then I guess that would impact the ability to safely tow 3500 without Max Tow.
That is incorrect.

Jeep really needs to get rid of Trailer Tow and Max Tow...the whole mess started in 2012. And keep in mind, 2 doors do not have an option for Max Tow, and Rubi 4 doors do not have an option for Trailer Tow.

So, let's assume we are only talking about Sport and Sahara 4 doors.

Trailer Tow + standard 3.21's = Hitch and harness only with a 2000 pound rating
Trailer Tow + optional 3.73's = Hitch and harness only with a 3500 pound rating.
Max Tow comes with 3.73's = Hitch, harness, and 3.73's with a 3500 pound rating.

In early 2012, Wrangler material showed you had to order a tow package to get Trailer Sway. (Really early material showed that Trailer Sway was only available on Trailer Tow, not Max Tow). Pat later confirmed that all Wrangler's get Trailer Sway (I can't remember if it was all Wranglers with a tow package, or simply all Wranglers).

In 2013, Jeep cleaned up the material a bit. Trailer Sway became standard on all Jeeps, regardless of ordering a tow package or not.

Clear as mud yet?
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Still not sure how I'm incorrect on my last post. According to the info you gave, the only difference is gearing. Gearing shouldn't impact the safety or towing capacity of the JKU.

So unless there is something different on the springs that come with 3.73 gears, a JKU with 3.21's should be able to safely tow 3500lbs with no issues (outside of being sluggish due to gearing).

I understand brochures and spec sheets may read differently, but in reality it would seem this is only a spec sheet difference in tow capacity and not a safety/capability difference.

My guess is Jeep doesn't like the sluggishness of the 3.21's loaded at 3,500lbs so they put 2000lbs to prevent complaints from buyers. I guess there could be some additional wear or overheating potential with 3.21's and the transmission, but again probably Jeep being cautious.
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Still not sure how I'm incorrect on my last post. According to the info you gave, the only difference is gearing. Gearing shouldn't impact the safety or towing capacity of the JKU.

So unless there is something different on the springs that come with 3.73 gears, a JKU with 3.21's should be able to safely tow 3500lbs with no issues (outside of being sluggish due to gearing).

I understand brochures and spec sheets may read differently, but in reality it would seem this is only a spec sheet difference in tow capacity and not a safety/capability difference.

My guess is Jeep doesn't like the sluggishness of the 3.21's loaded at 3,500lbs so they put 2000lbs to prevent complaints from buyers. I guess there could be some additional wear or overheating potential with 3.21's and the transmission, but again probably Jeep being cautious.
Maybe they are concerned about warranty issues. Also, I wonder whether there may be states where you could be found negligent or even guilty of a crime for towing over the rated capacity? Your point re: the importance of gear ratio is well-taken from a practical perspective, but it may not have much bearing from a legal perspective if you got into an accident while towing over capacity.

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