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Old 05-12-2013, 07:31 AM   #31
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Just to throw a little different perspective on things; if you are looking at trading strictly for gas mileage; the money you spend trading will buy a LOT of gas, and you still have to buy gas for the new vehicle. You will have to keep the new vehicle a very long time, or do a LOT of driving for it to actually pay out. Most vehicles will get traded again before the pay out actually happens. Not saying that is your situation, but I certainly see it an awful lot. I never could see trading just for gas mileage, it doesn't really make much sense.
Also, if a person is already upside down with vehicle payments, they definitely can not spend themselves out of debt, even tho the Government tries to lead by example!!! They are better off to keep the one they have and get it paid off before even thinking about trading.
Now if you need to trade anyway, and want the better mileage, that is a different story.

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Old 05-12-2013, 07:36 AM   #32
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In your shoes

I was in a situation like yours a few years ago. I had an 07 JKU with about 5K in add-ons. I was getting 14-15 MPG. Job situation changed, needed something more fuel efficient. Decided to keep it in the Jeep family, reluctantly traded for an 11 Patriot. Drove it for 2 years. It served its purpose, saved money on gas, lower payment...but the thrill was gone! My wife would catch me looking and commenting on other Wranglers. So, finally after 2 years of doing what I thought was the "right thing" to do, I traded the Patty in on another 4 door Wrangler. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm just saying, once you have the Jeep bug, it's hard to kick it.
So in your situation, I think you should do what you feel you need/can afford to do...BUT, be prepared for Jeep envy every time you see another Wrangler. And when you decide, because someday you will, to come back to the Jeep family, I'll have a gently used 13 JKU to sell you so I can keep my addictions fed too.

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my jeep has over 40000 miles in in 26 months I had a ranger that I thought I would drive some of the time afater the battery went dead because I did not drive I traded for a 4 wheeler
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Old 05-12-2013, 08:09 AM   #34
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Get an economical vehicle till your financial situation has improved. I don't drive my Jeep every day, but I could if I had too. I don't particularly enjoy driving it on pavement much. If I were financially tight, I'd be commuting in something that gave me 30+ mpg. If I didn't go off road, I would not own a Wrangler at all. I have it mainly to explore trails, Moab, mining roads, and mountain passes, some of which are too rough or narrow to do with my 4Runner (the chubbier 4th gen). Look at reliable and economical vehicles. What you buy, is up to your personal taste. I prefer Toyotas and Honda for reliability, as "boring" as their small vehicles are.
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Really? A Wrangler is THE ONLY Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/RAM vehicle worth owning. Ford owns them in every category.
Oh, I dunno. My Viper is pretty fun to drive and it gets far more comments than our Wranger when we're out in it.
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I'd probably get a more economical car until you are in a position to get a Wrangler again. Does it have to be a new car?
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If your tight on money get a beater buying another new vehicle seems to be a step backwards. Something with a 4 cylinder and well maintained. Or keep the jeep and make the payments, make sure that airdam is on
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YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE....

1. if you get a car that gets better mileage but i depreciates at a much faster rate...how much are you really saving? i just got a JK as a work vehicle.. i need to go off pavement almost everyday for work..and i do about 500 miles a week.. I looked briefly at a Subaru which got about 28 mpg, but it wouldn't hold it value like a Wrangler..and honestly i wouldn't get any of the added Wrangler enjoyment so i moved on. Now granted this doesn't help your out-of-pocket situation now, and maybe that is what you have to "Focus" on.(man that was a slick pun, and i didn't even try )

2. Selling your current jeep is gonna mean you would take a bigger hit on Taxes when you buy new. Trade in means you only pay tax on the fnanced amount. ...BUT if you can get enough on the for the Jeep pn the street..it might work out better thta way.

3. sit down and really calc. your fuel costs. How many miles do you really drive.. 550miles to school...but how often? break it down to a monthly fuel consumption and then calc. the real fuel cost.
Look i drive 500 miles/week my Jeep runs me about $80 a week...if i got something that get 30 mpg it would run me $55.... thats a difference of $25/ week....how easy is it to make up that money in other ways in order to have the enjoyment of the Jeep? thats as easy as brewing coffee at home as opposed to $1.85 medium at the convienience store

4. IF you decide to make a jump to a car as a temporary fuel savings move...make it WORTH IT. A Focus will get you about 50% better mielage over the new JK you were thinking about (i average 19 mpg all day with my 2013 Sahara)...look at a VW Golf TDI..you'll be getting 40 MPG or TWICE the mileage of a JK...and a loaded 2 door Golf TDI is just about even money with a Focus ST.
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If your tight on money get a beater buying another new vehicle seems to be a step backwards. Something with a 4 cylinder and well maintained. Or keep the jeep and make the payments, make sure that airdam is on
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That way you can save for your wrangler. When you're ready to buy you'll have money for the down payment, and add-ons! I saved for 3 years or a little more. I love my unlimited rubi. My wife and I are on vacation right now, and we've taken it to places you couldn't take a car. You also get a point of view that other vehicles can't offer.
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Oh, I dunno. My Viper is pretty fun to drive and it gets far more comments than our Wranger when we're out in it.
GTR, GT3 RS or ZR1 for me for that money any day. The Viper is fast, but unforgiving.
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Old 05-12-2013, 10:38 AM   #41
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If money is tight, school is important, I'd go with the focus. They are very nice and reliable cars. You dont need a Jeep right now. You'll have plenty of time in the future to own many Jeeps. There is nothing wrong with be SMART! Being smart now will allow you to have the Toys in the future. JMHO
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Another thing, you're better off driving a beater jeep that's your fix-r-up hobby than a beater car. You'll have plenty of time to peruse autotrader and CL for the perfect deal too.

I wouldn't like my jeep nearly as much if I was forced to rely on it 100%, and given that I can beat it up and not worry about it, it's more special
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If money is an issue, than sell your Jeep and buy a used Honda with the cash. Once you're out of school you can re-asses your situation. Without a car payment you can set aside some money for your next Jeep. At the end of the day, as wonderful as it is, a Jeep is just a vehicle. Your financial responsibility is more important. You'll have plenty of opportunities to own another Jeep in the future if you make good decisions today.

For me, SMILES per gallon is more important than miles per gallon. But I'm in a different situation than you. My Jeep is my daily driver and I wouldn't have it any other way. Good luck!
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That way you can save for your wrangler. When you're ready to buy you'll have money for the down payment, and add-ons! I saved for 3 years or a little more. I love my unlimited rubi. My wife and I are on vacation right now, and we've taken it to places you couldn't take a car. You also get a point of view that other vehicles can't offer.
Though I said just get the Focus, the suggestion to buy a beater is the most financially smart. If you can afford $4k-$5k, you can get a 'beater' thats still reliable, like a Honda Civic. Gas, maintenance and insurance for a Civic is, well, close to dirt. It may not be fancy shmancy brand new Ford Focus, but you'll still have your wrangler so it won't matter.
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From my perspective, I would buy a an old beater Geo Metro or something like that. I've seen them in the $3-4k range. Have it inspected so that you know what you might need to repair. I was looking at the fusion hybrid as a potential daily driver, but I bought a jeep. It gets worse gas mileage and is more expensive to fill than my Mustang GT. But I do enjoy driving it and it's nicer for the daily commute. I cannot say it's more fun to drive, since my GT is certainly faster, handles better, looks good, and is also pretty fun. I would also like to get more mpg out of my jeep, and I am working that way with some mods I am building for it. I did a simple mod to the mustang and got 1.2mpg. Hoping I can replicate that on the jeep.
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My wife bought a Focus SFE and it is terrible. She has had it in the shop 4x in the last year. flashed the computer 2x. She is taking back again on Monday. I will say this though when it runs right it gets great MPG....in town 38.2 on the freeway around 42mpg
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My wife bought a Focus SFE and it is terrible. She has had it in the shop 4x in the last year. flashed the computer 2x. She is taking back again on Monday. I will say this though when it runs right it gets great MPG....in town 38.2 on the freeway around 42mpg

Try to lemon it... some cars just turn out to be bad apples. Your experience is not typical. Family members have a slew of the new Lincoln, fusion, taurus, F150, and F350 with 0 issues. The C-Car and CD4 platform are great handling and the Ecoboost engines are really good. Interior leaves something to be desired, but then again I'm used to loaded BMWs.
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I switched job locations when I had my 98 TJ. Commute was 28 miles one way. Loved that Jeep but in the end I traded it in. Not the end of the universe as we know it. You're young and have plenty of time to buy another Jeep. We'll forgive you.
All of our opinions are moot until you get down to brass tacks. Finding out how much $$$ better gas mileage will cost you will probably make your decision for you.
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Old 05-12-2013, 12:57 PM   #51
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In 2008, I leased a brand new VW Jetta based on the strong encouragement of my mother who is gas mileage obsessed. At the time, I drove it 1200 miles to school and 1200 back, but I only did that trip at the beginning/end of the year. How often will you be driving back and forth?? Can't you fly now and then?

I ended up giving the Jetta to my brother a year later because I'd wanted an SUV from the start and I was annoyed that I'd been persuaded against it. I bought my 2006 Grand Cherokee when I was home for summer and was as happy as a clam. My Jetta got 30ish mpg on the highway, whereas my GC got about 18ish on the highway. I didn't care at all because I loved driving my GC.

Fast forward to present day, I have a 2 month old 2013 JK. Again, mama tried to tell me I *need* a fuel efficient vehicle because I drive 30 miles to work, another 10 to class, and I'm always in the car, blah blah blah. I didn't even give her a second listen. I never looked at another vehicle. I wanted a Wrangler and I got a Wrangler. I love it, bad gas mileage and all! I wouldn't have been happier with anything else. You have to get what will make you happy if you spend a lot of time driving.
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Just to throw a little different perspective on things; if you are looking at trading strictly for gas mileage; the money you spend trading will buy a LOT of gas, and you still have to buy gas for the new vehicle. You will have to keep the new vehicle a very long time, or do a LOT of driving for it to actually pay out. Most vehicles will get traded again before the pay out actually happens. Not saying that is your situation, but I certainly see it an awful lot. I never could see trading just for gas mileage, it doesn't really make much sense.
Also, if a person is already upside down with vehicle payments, they definitely can not spend themselves out of debt, even tho the Government tries to lead by example!!! They are better off to keep the one they have and get it paid off before even thinking about trading.
Now if you need to trade anyway, and want the better mileage, that is a different story.
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If you do the math, you'll probably see your not saving as much as you think. I've done the math before using motorcycles, and it still doesn't come out in favor of more fuel efficient vehicle. You would have to keep new car 5-10 years before you saw a return on your investment.
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If you do the math, you'll probably see your not saving as much as you think. I've done the math before using motorcycles, and it still doesn't come out in favor of more fuel efficient vehicle. You would have to keep new car 5-10 years before you saw a return on your investment.

ROI is a meaningless measure if you can't pay for costs associated with keeping the current vehicle. As long as the sum of jeep costs is greater per duration of financial constraints than the sum of the car costs, he's better off with the car in the short term while budget is tight.
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ROI is a meaningless measure if you can't pay for costs associated with keeping the current vehicle. As long as the sum of jeep costs is greater per duration of financial constraints than the sum of the car costs, he's better off with the car in the short term while budget is tight.
He should still calculate the costs. If he buys new focus, I'm assuming he'll put some money down. He'll also incur insurance cost differences, maintenance, etc... I've never seen anyone actually save money short term by buying a more fuel efficient vehicle. Run the numbers and you'll see what I mean.
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While I'm not going to tell you which car to buy - ultimately, that'll be a meeting of the head and heart that'll leave you dissatisfied, as we always are when we choose between what we think we need and what we want - I am going to point something out:

Proper sports cars send power to the rear wheels - RWD or AWD. =) Now, if gas mileage is the end all for you, we're not really talking about a sports car anyway We're talking about a commuter with a "sporty" feel. To that end, the Focus is a very popular commuter car and does a reasonably job of being sporty.
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He should still calculate the costs. If he buys new focus, I'm assuming he'll put some money down. He'll also incur insurance cost differences, maintenance, etc... I've never seen anyone actually save money short term by buying a more fuel efficient vehicle. Run the numbers and you'll see what I mean.

Ok, I trade in my M3 for a ford focus. Provided my new loan is less than my current one -- impossible for it not to be -- I'll have less insurance, registration, fuel and maintenance costs. Depending on the JK he has and the cost of the focus, he could easily save money over the life of his loan on the JK.
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Ok, I trade in my M3 for a ford focus. Provided my new loan is less than my current one -- impossible for it not to be -- I'll have less insurance, registration, fuel and maintenance costs. Depending on the JK he has and the cost of the focus, he could easily save money over the life of his loan on the JK.
Sure, so you're agreeing with me. The OP would have to run the numbers and figure out if its worth it. If the OP's only purpose for trading in his Jeep is to save money... Then he can just run the numbers to see if it will be in his favors. If you're trading an M3 for a Ford Focus... Then yes, you will probably save heaps up front. Thanks for pointing that out. We're not talking about a $50K vehicle. His 2007 Unlimited is probably worth somewhere in the 20's. That's a little different than your proposed situation.
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Ok, I trade in my M3 for a ford focus. Provided my new loan is less than my current one -- impossible for it not to be -- I'll have less insurance, registration, fuel and maintenance costs. Depending on the JK he has and the cost of the focus, he could easily save money over the life of his loan on the JK.
Dear, God - do not do this. I'll make you a sweet deal on my 335i and we can swap. The 300 lb-ft make it easier for relaxed driving anyway...
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At Church this morning the Pastor asked, "if what you are working for, the path that you are on, doesn't make you happy, how can you be happy when you get there?"

I leaned over to my wife and said, "He has a Jeep". She looked back and smiled 'cause we got her one last year, and she does understand. My Jeep makes me happy and for MOST trips that I make it is the PERFECT vehicle for my trip.....you need to decide what is the perfect vehicle for your trip and where you are going...what is the most important part to you the vehicle and how you feel during the trip, or just completeing the trip?
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In the end, the decision is up to the OP, but in my experience, stay with the Jeep.

In June of last year I traded my 07 JKUR for a Chevy Volt. When it used gas (I could go weeks at a time with just electric) it would get around 40 mpg. I really liked the car and loved the gas savings. In Feb of this year (7 months later) I was back in a Jeep. I lost a considerable amount of $$ by doing this, but my happiness is worth it.

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