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Old 08-24-2011, 10:21 PM   #61
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Thanks for the feedback. Looks like I'll be calling the dealer tomorrow and perhaps ordering another.

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Old 08-24-2011, 10:26 PM   #62
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Okay so let's say 3.21 is on the lot but I could order at 3.73. Is it worth waiting if I don't plan on towing or off roading? Help I am a newbie. Does the 3.73 matter if you are not going to tow or off road (at least not more than 10%). Just trying to figure out my options if I go to the dealer and they have one with everything I want but no 3.73 is it that big of a deal. Especially if I ask them to throw on a tow hitch with 3.21 so I could pull something home from Home Depot if I need to rent equipment or tow debris to the dump/transfer station.


You'll be perfectly happy with the 3.21s. And so will I (I have no choice, really).

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Old 08-24-2011, 10:38 PM   #63
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I have a question about the trailer sway damping. I thought I should get it because I was under the impression that it came with both tow packages. It's not on my build sheet so I assume now that I am not getting it. Does it really make a big difference?
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:40 PM   #64
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Here is the window sticker for my order that they swore would have 3.73....Big surprise it's not on there!

http://www.Jeep.com/hostc/getWindowS...HJWDG4CL116007
According to the chart though you apparently needed to select it as an option unless you got AHQ. ONly because it is an unlimited.

I still have NO IDEA to their rhyme and reason for most of this crap!!! Why make it difficult and piss people off!!
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:51 PM   #65
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I just ordered a manual JKU sport today and we had a time with the tow packages. Here's what happened as we built the Jeep. This axle ratio/tow package thing has us all confused so I tried to order both the max tow and trailer tow plus the 3.73 gears. Once we selected the max tow package, it greyed the trailer tow package out and changed the price of the gears to $0. So, at least for me today, you could only order the max tow OR the trailer tow, but not both. The higher gears were included with max and you had to order them separately with the trailer tow. I ended up ordering the trailer tow package (AHT - $270) and the 3.73 gears ($50). As far as we were able to tell, that ended up being the max package plus the trailer sway dampening.
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:57 PM   #66
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According to the chart though ynou apparently needed to select it as an option unless you got AHQ. ONly because it is an unlimited.

I still have NO IDEA to their rhyme and reason for most of this crap!!! Why make it difficult and piss people off!!
That is what I told them and they did not follow through. We will see how it all works out.
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:11 PM   #67
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I just ordered a manual JKU sport today and we had a time with the tow packages. Here's what happened as we built the Jeep. This axle ratio/tow package thing has us all confused so I tried to order both the max tow and trailer tow plus the 3.73 gears. Once we selected the max tow package, it greyed the trailer tow package out and changed the price of the gears to $0. So, at least for me today, you could only order the max tow OR the trailer tow, but not both. The higher gears were included with max and you had to order them separately with the trailer tow. I ended up ordering the trailer tow package (AHT - $270) and the 3.73 gears ($50). As far as we were able to tell, that ended up being the max package plus the trailer sway dampening.
Now that you mention it I guess this is exactly what happened when we built a duplicate order- and we did talk about not being able to do the AHT option with AHQ- I guess I misremembered that.

So it sounds like we have a way to get both packages with the 3.73 BUT there is STILL A QUESTION HOW ONE GUARANTEES TRAILER SWAY DAMPENING since AHQ orders can no longer add AHT as an option for $25. Wow, someone needs to get their act together!!!! Thanks for the info!
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I would say that if you don't plan to tow or go off road you would want the 3.21 for the better milage. Actually I had heard that the 3.21 with the change in auto tranny in 2012 would pretty much equal a 3.73/auto in the previous few years. I really dunno, but I did drive a 3.2 JK...2012...and it would make a great DD. I just need to tow a boat once in a while.
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Ok lets make this easy at least for the JKU folks...

1. if the window sticker or build sheet does NOT show AHQ or 3.73 gearing YOU DON'T HAVE IT (build sheet will specifically list "3.73" if it is there)...

2. If you want 3.73 gearing make sure it shows up on the POC your dealer prints out when you order your jeep and put the down the deposit... It will list AHQ or 3.73 specifically... once again if neither are there you aren't getting 3.73 gearing...

3. if you are in "D" status or very early in the "D1" status YOU CAN CHANGE IT, I did and so have many others.... You must be very persistent with your dealer and preferably make them call in front of you, on the spot.

4.As far as the AHQ + AHT ($25) setup goes, that is the only way to 100% guarantee trailer sway dampening, no one has been able to prove 100% otherwise or show documentation that it is there.... Not even the Chrysler CSR I spoke with...
If the option to add AHT to the AHQ package has truly disappeared on a JKU then they may have finally figured out their system and included sway dampening... but where would they say it.... of course nowhere...

5. If you are unsure if your Jeep has 3.73's email Chrysler and get the build sheet (available once you have a VIN) or PM me with the VIN and if the vehicle is built and reached KZ status I can look it up in dealer connect for you and link it back in a pm....
(The one from Chrysler is in a better format though)

6. All autos have the tranny cooler on them regardless of tow package...

Oh... and enjoy your new Jeep
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Today I asked the service manager for a build sheet for my VIN'd Jeep. He said he couldn't get it until it went KZ.

So I get home today and got an email back from the Jeep and in fact I CAN GET A BUILD SHEET!

So mine shows 3.73 on the build sheet. But I have some questions about my build sheet- below are the details from the build sheet (obviously I took some out and colored them based on package-

1. Am I getting two soft tops here?
2. why does it say "painted" front bumper?
3. Are my side steps round ones?
When it says "Tubular side steps" are they the flatter typical factory steps I see on most?

So long story short- I lucked out and got everything I wanted- at least on my build sheet it shows it!! Woo Hooo! I am one Happy Jeep Camper!!!!
The dealer was correct he can not get a build sheet through his system till it reaches KZ status... however he can call Chrysler direct and they will fax or email one over right then...

1.You are getting 1 soft top...

2.The painted bumper thing is a quirk, it was on my sport but its just the standard Rubbermaid grey... If you have a Sahara it has a painted silver insert in the middle just like the previous model years front and back...

3.The sidesteps are the standard Rubbermaid grey "flatter" type you see on every other jeep on the lot....
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I would say that if you don't plan to tow or go off road you would want the 3.21 for the better milage. Actually I had heard that the 3.21 with the change in auto tranny in 2012 would pretty much equal a 3.73/auto in the previous few years. I really dunno, but I did drive a 3.2 JK...2012...and it would make a great DD. I just need to tow a boat once in a while.
Yup. Actually it's just like 4.10s in the old tranny. If you don't get 3.73s, i think you'll be perfectly fine. Personally, I'm annoyed but it's not a deal killer.

Oh and I test drove a 2011 with 3.21s today... What a pig! But for a DD it wasn't horrible. It got up and went when i hit the gas. So I think everyone will be happy with the new ones.
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Just remember that some have stated with 3.21 you can't tow more than 1000 lbs.
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Just remember that some have stated with 3.21 you can't tow more than 1000 lbs.
http://www.media.chrysler.com/dcxms/...nltd_Specs.pdf

For 3.21's its 2000. For 3.73's its 3500.
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:18 PM   #74
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Ok lets make this easy at least for the JKU folks...

1. if the window sticker or build sheet does NOT show AHQ or 3.73 gearing YOU DON'T HAVE IT (build sheet will specifically list "3.73" if it is there)...

2. If you want 3.73 gearing make sure it shows up on the POC your dealer prints out when you order your jeep and put the down the deposit... It will list AHQ or 3.73 specifically... once again if neither are there you aren't getting 3.73 gearing...

3. if you are in "D" status or very early in the "D1" status YOU CAN CHANGE IT, I did and so have many others.... You must be very persistent with your dealer and preferably make them call in front of you, on the spot.

4.As far as the AHQ + AHT ($25) setup goes, that is the only way to 100% guarantee trailer sway dampening, no one has been able to prove 100% otherwise or show documentation that it is there.... Not even the Chrysler CSR I spoke with...
If the option to add AHT to the AHQ package has truly disappeared on a JKU then they may have finally figured out their system and included sway dampening... but where would they say it.... of course nowhere...

5. If you are unsure if your Jeep has 3.73's email Chrysler and get the build sheet (available once you have a VIN) or PM me with the VIN and if the vehicle is built and reached KZ status I can look it up in dealer connect for you and link it back in a pm....
(The one from Chrysler is in a better format though)

6. All autos have the tranny cooler on them regardless of tow package...

Oh... and enjoy your new Jeep
Well written and straight forward- although with #4 I think the dealer has problems ordering both AHT and AHQ now. I think we could get it to come up but had to do AHQ first, then AHT....and even then I can't remember if we could this last time....

thanks sf_kilo for the answers on my build- I figured it was a regular bumper and 1 soft top, but I am puzzled at the side steps- why does mopar call the round side steps tubular and yet the factory steps are in fact called tubular too. I would have rather had the rounder ones- but it will be easier for my kids and dog to get in with the flatter ones so oh well.
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http://www.media.chrysler.com/dcxms/...nltd_Specs.pdf

For 3.21's its 2000. For 3.73's its 3500.
Missed the Unlimited part lol, it's 1000 for the Sahara

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Missed the Unlimited part lol, it's 1000 for the Sahara

...I think....
That's what I heard too.

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