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Old 02-13-2013, 07:09 PM   #61
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Juat a simple reminder, the computer will tell the last time a tune was changed. It holds the last 8 to 10 imputs, don't be fooled in to false pretenses that if it's not in the Jeep they won't know. If something has been pushed too far they will know.. With that said just use them wisely don't push her too hard.

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Juat a simple reminder, the computer will tell the last time a tune was changed. It holds the last 8 to 10 imputs, don't be fooled in to false pretenses that if it's not in the Jeep they won't know. If something has been pushed too far they will know.. With that said just use them wisely don't push her too hard.
My information from one of the SRT engineers indicates that is not true and my dealership confirms there is no means for them to know. My SRT guy who I got to know via my Challenger build also indicates that they knowingly released the code and unless its clearly proven that the tune directly resulted in some kind of engine failure it doesn't matter and he was unaware of any such failures within the Challenger platform where he actually worked with aftermarket including Arrington. That being said I trust no one so I went into this knowing the risk.

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let's just say it's a pretty dumb computer.
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I'm all for tuning your ride, and have a Superchips tune in my 2010. I'd like to know your opinions on why Jeep/Chrysler doesn't set the tune or these performance factors right from the factory. Is it that they want to keep us from driving a Jeep like a sports car for safety reasons, or does it have to due with engine longevity? These tunes clearly increase performance and for most folks, gas mileage. I don't understand why the manufactures wouldn't want to max out the performance and mileage for these engines and then advertise such as a selling point. Even fixing the throttle/pedal response alone is an awesome benefit, why not just setup it up like that from the factory? Is it a big additional expense for the manufacturers to do this?
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Thanks guys! This forum is exactly what I needed... vendor sites can make any claims and post fictitious "reviews" but the real-world is where it counts...

Guess I'll just have to order one now and pretend I have the Jeep to tune!

Damn... this 3 month wait is going to kill me!

Thanks again!
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I'm all for tuning your ride, and have a Superchips tune in my 2010. I'd like to know your opinions on why Jeep/Chrysler doesn't set the tune or these performance factors right from the factory. Is it that they want to keep us from driving a Jeep like a sports car for safety reasons, or does it have to due with engine longevity? These tunes clearly increase performance and for most folks, gas mileage. I don't understand why the manufactures wouldn't want to max out the performance and mileage for these engines and then advertise such as a selling point. Even fixing the throttle/pedal response alone is an awesome benefit, why not just setup it up like that from the factory? Is it a big additional expense for the manufacturers to do this?
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I sure would like to see a somewhat scientific approach to this tuner.

Has anyone seen dynos comparing before/after?
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Chrysler like all manufacturers has to use a tune that will allow the vehicle to run well and reliably on the worst fuels available in the market for a long time. BMW requires 91 minimum. You know how many customers fill with 87? Lots. A tune will allow to take one unknown variable out and that assumes you use top octane fuel and adjust accordingly. I want to see some dyno sheets. From several Pentastars on 91 and 93. I looked on their site briefly but found none. I know an Audi B8 S4 picks up 100 (yes, one hundred) HP at the wheels with just a tune. My VW would have about a 15hp difference between 91 and 93 tunes.
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Thanks Socal-JK. Never entertained that some folks would be turned off by having to purchase premium gas to run their jeeps at the higher performance level, but that is a great point. Also with your 'worst fuels' comment. Makes sense. Just accustomed to using premium gas with the tune on my Jeep, and in my wife's Audi.
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finally a break in the weather, going to try some 0-60's today.
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Elarson, Positrak, and anyone else running this tuner-

Are any of you considering adding these:

http://www.modernmuscleperformance.c...gory_s/387.htm

I have seen some of you in the "Unlocking the Pentastar" thread but didn't know if you saw this link posted there.

Thanks for all the updates thus far and keep em coming!

ALSO ARE YOU GUYS CONSIDERING THE DYNO?! Please say yes.
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I'm all for tuning your ride, and have a Superchips tune in my 2010. I'd like to know your opinions on why Jeep/Chrysler doesn't set the tune or these performance factors right from the factory. Is it that they want to keep us from driving a Jeep like a sports car for safety reasons, or does it have to due with engine longevity? These tunes clearly increase performance and for most folks, gas mileage. I don't understand why the manufactures wouldn't want to max out the performance and mileage for these engines and then advertise such as a selling point. Even fixing the throttle/pedal response alone is an awesome benefit, why not just setup it up like that from the factory? Is it a big additional expense for the manufacturers to do this?
Yes. First off- its a Jeep. The very last vehicle Chrysler is going to worry about performance on. Secondly- look around. Very few manufacturers warrant or offer any tuning. Why spend the money? Most of America will pick Box A or Box B- if they don't think either performs well- they'll try Box C. And that's assuming they care about performance one iota. (Not talking MPG here). I don't understand why any sportscar isn't as fast as it can be- but each car has its place and product segment. Look at the Rubicon- it better from a off-road performance standpoint- but not everyone buys it.
With the extra 85 HP on the 2012, shouldn't we all be happy? (Not!)
I can understand why manufacturer's may get less and less inclined to allow any tinkering as engine computers get more and more complicated.
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FAIL

Too damn windy, 20 mph gusts. 4 runs, 2 abortions + 2 near abortions:

7.2 s and 6.8 s

Totally unideal conditions, that 6.8 I got smacked at 55 mph with a cross-gust and chickened out and let off on the throttle. Everything else worse. One things for sure, this ain't no aerodynamic sports car Even so it's scary fast or at least feels it, for such a lumbering brick. Not even sure what to be expecting, at least same or better than the sport @ 6.6 ? I think those published results are soft top and half doors.

Need to adjust the throttle booster as without changing the seat position it's a bit cumbersome. That and better weather.

@COStrider I would consider a dyno. I was hoping for impressive 0-60's to justify it. I wanted to do it last year with the cai and exhaust but the only one's around me where ones that bolted to the wheels and none of the operators wanted the jeep on theirs, plus traction control needs to be off and no one offered a solution for it. This Diablo does switch it off and there is a new 4wd dyno that opened up near me 125 dollars for an hour. Just want to get a further feel for this thing, there's a peculiar mindset still of the engine blowing up , once that apprehension goes away I'll probably do it if they'll do it.

as for adding that, don't think so for me. That to me can kiss your warranty good bye, at least with the tune its easily and quickly revertable to stock and for the CAI and exhaust my dealer is aware of both and doesn't have a problem with eithe (yet), but the CAI can be swapped out asap if need be.
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Positrak, can you list your JK's specs? Unlimited, lift, etc.
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2012 Rubicon 2 door hard top automatic 4.10. afe cat back, afe cia with Pro 5R filter, stock everything else (no lifts no other tires etc.) and now including the diablo tuner 91 octane tune.

Searching for a test on that everywhere in stock form so far no luck.

For the file for a sport:

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The 2012 Wrangler Sport we tested is the lightest, fastest combination you'll be able to buy. It has the soft top, six-speed manual transmission, short wheelbase, and very little in the way of interior goodies. It turns out the new engine is just as good as Jeep anticipated: Our 3918-pound Sport hit 60 in 6.7 seconds, finishing the quarter mile in 15.2 seconds at 89.1 mph.

Read more: 2012 Jeep Wrangler Sport - First Test - Truck Trend
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2012 2 door sahara auto:

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60 miles-per-hour was reached in 7.8 seconds in our two-door.

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Old 02-18-2013, 08:17 PM   #77
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I'm ready for a E85 tune. Hopefully someone can copy the Grand Cherokee stock E85 tune and modify it for the wrangler.
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I'm ready for a E85 tune. Hopefully someone can copy the Grand Cherokee stock E85 tune and modify it for the wrangler.
Wrangler isnt built mechanically for e85 so that isnt going to happen!
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I'm ready for a E85 tune. Hopefully someone can copy the Grand Cherokee stock E85 tune and modify it for the wrangler.
Why would you want that anyway? Yeah it's cheaper but you'll be stuck filling up more often... At least any vehicle I've ever had got terrible gas mileage with that crap
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Why would you want that anyway? Yeah it's cheaper but you'll be stuck filling up more often... At least any vehicle I've ever had got terrible gas mileage with that crap
Yea and around area depending on the day its only a couple pennies cheaper if its cheaper at all!!! Its turned into a joke because it simply isn't supported enough to get the drastic price difference to really make it sell. Catch 22.
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Too damn windy, 20 mph gusts. 4 runs, 2 abortions + 2 near abortions:

7.2 s and 6.8 s

Totally unideal conditions, that 6.8 I got smacked at 55 mph with a cross-gust and chickened out and let off on the throttle. Everything else worse. One things for sure, this ain't no aerodynamic sports car Even so it's scary fast or at least feels it, for such a lumbering brick. Not even sure what to be expecting, at least same or better than the sport @ 6.6 ? I think those published results are soft top and half doors.

Need to adjust the throttle booster as without changing the seat position it's a bit cumbersome. That and better weather.

@COStrider I would consider a dyno. I was hoping for impressive 0-60's to justify it. I wanted to do it last year with the cai and exhaust but the only one's around me where ones that bolted to the wheels and none of the operators wanted the jeep on theirs, plus traction control needs to be off and no one offered a solution for it. This Diablo does switch it off and there is a new 4wd dyno that opened up near me 125 dollars for an hour. Just want to get a further feel for this thing, there's a peculiar mindset still of the engine blowing up , once that apprehension goes away I'll probably do it if they'll do it.

as for adding that, don't think so for me. That to me can kiss your warranty good bye, at least with the tune its easily and quickly revertable to stock and for the CAI and exhaust my dealer is aware of both and doesn't have a problem with eithe (yet), but the CAI can be swapped out asap if need be.
Sorry the weather doesn't cooperate

Dyno would awesome!

I hear ya on those bolt ons being a warranty wrecker
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Worth every cent. Just doing some forward thinking now about playing cat and mouse with the dealer. At what stage to put the stock tune back in. Had two services since new. Don't think they fiddle with the computer though on their work order it says reset the oil change indicator.

What your thoughts on that. Other than obvious serious issues that might occur but where might they need to check the computer for regular maintenance.?
I would know if they access my obd2. Bought one of those physical locks

Seriously thinking about buying this programmer.
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I just installed the Intune .. same as the t1000 without the fancy display and minus the cost.
2012 wrangler 2dr sport auto 4" lift 35" tires ... boost all the way on the throttle 87 tune for now till next fill.
First drive with it in the AM on the way to work. Hope its impressive.
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sure wish there were ACTUAL dyno results someone could post...
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Not going to waste time or money in a dyno when my ass dyno is free.
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sure wish there were ACTUAL dyno results someone could post...

I actually checked with the two places that I did Dino pulls with my Challenger and neither was interested in putting a lifted truck on their Dyno and taking responsibility for a couple runs. All they do is cars and didn't feel comfortable.
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I actually checked with the two places that I did Dino pulls with my Challenger and neither was interested in putting a lifted truck on their Dyno and taking responsibility for a couple runs. All they do is cars and didn't feel comfortable.
Elarson ,Hows your mpg been since you tuned it? Did it go up any?
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Elarson ,Hows your mpg been since you tuned it? Did it go up any?

Yes! My average MPG driving about 400-500 miles a week has gone up 1.2 MPG consistently since I tuned it...13.7 mpg now....
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Yes! My average MPG driving about 400-500 miles a week has gone up 1.2 MPG consistently since I tuned it...13.7 mpg now....
Do you have CAI, exhaust too?
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Yes! My average MPG driving about 400-500 miles a week has gone up 1.2 MPG consistently since I tuned it...13.7 mpg now....
The reason im asking is that i want a little more power and more mpg, but was wondering if only needed the tuner.

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