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Old 02-27-2013, 06:00 AM   #91
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I got a dyno organized now. Just waiting to swap the gas out 91 for 94 to run the max tune in order to do it.

If anyone has suggestions on how to do that now would be the time to chime in since I have never done it. Operator is an experienced race car tuner who's as curious as I am after detailing the story. He normally does 10 minute cool downs. Is that acceptable for a Jeep as well? Any other collective expertise on dyno'ing?

I suspect the tq is what will be the most impressive. That's claimed at 20 extra while hp is 15. And I have the cai and catback which was previously dyno'd at 6 hp, that plus at least 10 hp from this (if not the full 15), and your over 300 hp at the crank -- more since those are rwhp's.

All I can say is for the 30 day money back guarantee if you can't at least feel the shifts improve in an automatic there's something wrong with you. If you don't notice the improvement in power at all from low to midrange where it now lacks, then you swap out the 3.6 for the 3.8 (I've read here some people can't even feel the difference between those two motors ). Whatever.

As far as foot prints, I believe them that it leaves none. Minimal computer knowledge can confirm that and what every other tuner claims.

Only concern I would have in this regard is if the jeep breaks down completely somewhere, where it has to be towed in and you don't have the ability to re-flash it back to stock before being towed. If it just dies and no power at all for whatever reason etc.

Lastly reading their forums I get the impression that the shifting points will be addressed down the road in an updated tune. From what I understand once you buy the whole thing, upgraded tunes in the future are free and different things can or are added.

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I got a dyno organized now. Just waiting to swap the gas out 91 for 94 to run the max tune in order to do it.

If anyone has suggestions on how to do that now would be the time to chime in since I have never done it. Operator is an experienced race car tuner who's as curious as I am after detailing the story. He normally does 10 minute cool downs. Is that acceptable for a Jeep as well? Any other collective expertise on dyno'ing?

I suspect the tq is what will be the most impressive. That's claimed at 20 extra while hp is 15. And I have the cai and catback which was previously dyno'd at 6 hp, that plus at least 10 hp from this (if not the full 15), and your over 300 hp at the crank -- more since those are rwhp's.

All I can say is for the 30 day money back guarantee if you can't at least feel the shifts improve in an automatic there's something wrong with you. If you don't notice the improvement in power at all from low to midrange where it now lacks, then you swap out the 3.6 for the 3.8 (I've read here some people can't even feel the difference between those two motors ). Whatever.

As far as foot prints, I believe them that it leaves none. Minimal computer knowledge can confirm that and what every other tuner claims.

Only concern I would have in this regard is if the jeep breaks down completely somewhere, where it has to be towed in and you don't have the ability to re-flash it back to stock before being towed. If it just dies and no power at all for whatever reason etc.

Lastly reading their forums I get the impression that the shifting points will be addressed down the road in an updated tune. From what I understand once you buy the whole thing, upgraded tunes in the future are free and different things can or are added.
Thanks for the info.! When you say shifting improved- can you describe what you mean whenever you have a moment? (For instance, when you're not out actually driving it). Quicker? At a different RPM? Trying to avoid the low, low RPM up shifts- but I have a feeling this will involve programming- not a predetermined setting. I get and appreciate that its an improvement no matter what and happy its working well for you.
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I think it is much quicker and lower. I say think cause don't monitor it, but the difference to me feel like the difference between the 3.8's 4 speed and the 3.6's 5 speed. I found the 3.6 5 speed no matter what speed, if you punched it, it would rev super high before giddying up. Now with this thing, stepping on the pedal response and gear changes are immediate at any speed and especially when at a stop.

What I'll do is video it next time I'm in it if you want to see what's taking place. I'm not up on the technical gearing and shifting of these vehicles, so maybe you can determine from that.
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I think it is much quicker and lower. I say think cause don't monitor it, but the difference to me feel like the difference between the 3.8's 4 speed and the 3.6's 5 speed. I found the 3.6 5 speed no matter what speed, if you punched it, it would rev super high before giddying up. Now with this thing, stepping on the pedal response and gear changes are immediate at any speed and especially when at a stop.

What I'll do is video it next time I'm in it if you want to see what's taking place. I'm not up on the technical gearing and shifting of these vehicles, so maybe you can determine from that.
That would be awesome!
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see if this works

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Old 03-03-2013, 10:56 AM   #98
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Elarson, how do you like the 4.88's? Too low, too high?

I just installed the Trinity in w/87 tune(need to go refuel w/93 before I switch to the 93 tune), but I may not drive the jk for a few days. I'll update once I put a few miles on. A few tips for those purchasing the tuner; the instructions maybe old/off a little, but it wasn't hard to figure out. I ignored the warning of draining the battery, do not do this, turn everything off & make sure you have a good charge. I got lucky, I got a "low voltage" & the tuner wouldn't continue, but it was before I got to the actual tuning. The jk gave no warning of low voltage, my guess is the Trinity is sensitive to actual voltage. I tried to update the unit before installing on the jk, don't bother the tuner won't tell you if you need an update until it's hooked up to the jk. My Trinity (date on package Feb 13) did need an update.
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Old 03-06-2013, 11:31 AM   #99
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I loved the tuner on my SRT Challenger. I could have bought a 2012 Wrangler but opted for a 2013 only to learn the 2012 tuner won't work on a 2013. Anyone know what the difference/problem is?
Waiting for the 2013, throttle boost is worth the cost alone.
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From reading their forum they're right in the middle of the process of finalizing the 2013, like this week. From reading here and elsewhere, I'm guessing due to a programming change in the 2013 auto (apparently different to 2012's) is perhaps what the delay is e.g.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...st-189926.html


keep an eye on their site I suspect the 2013 should soon appear.
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Just completed a run about with the 93 tune + 10% boost on the throttle. Yet another wow. Whole different ball game. Need to relearn how to drive, everything quicker, sooner, fast. Extreme might be a better word, so much so, not sure yet if it's suitable for a jeep! Have to give it some time to decide if I will stay with it. Everything is too quick in particular with a CAI the growl of it kicks in a bit too soon for me, there's no delay in general traffic it seems between giving gas and giving it a normal stomp which kicks it all in. That and the transmission feels a bit confused which I am hoping is because it still needs to adapt to this change,. Change from the 91 is felt (believe it spark timing and some other optimizations is all), or its the throttle booster which for sure takes getting used to. On top of all of that all I got is 94 octane so I am hoping none of this is trying to match it with a 93 tune, plus its the first day with it all well above freezing which too may have an affect. Not quite sure yet. Before the tune the 91 felt just right, this plus throttle boost feels extreme

Going to see if it settles down by next week then make a plan for a dyno of it all.
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Just completed a run about with the 93 tune + 10% boost on the throttle. Yet another wow. Whole different ball game. Need to relearn how to drive, everything quicker, sooner, fast. Extreme might be a better word, so much so, not sure yet if it's suitable for a jeep! Have to give it some time to decide if I will stay with it. Everything is too quick in particular with a CAI the growl of it kicks in a bit too soon for me, there's no delay in general traffic it seems between giving gas and giving it a normal stomp which kicks it all in. That and the transmission feels a bit confused which I am hoping is because it still needs to adapt to this change,. Change from the 91 is felt (believe it spark timing and some other optimizations is all), or its the throttle booster which for sure takes getting used to. On top of all of that all I got is 94 octane so I am hoping none of this is trying to match it with a 93 tune, plus its the first day with it all well above freezing which too may have an affect. Not quite sure yet. Before the tune the 91 felt just right, this plus throttle boost feels extreme

Going to see if it settles down by next week then make a plan for a dyno of it all.
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Think I figured this out. The throttle booster increases the throttle sensitivity, it is to get rid of throttle lag by telling the computer the accelerator has be depressed by "x". Problem is I never had any lag in the throttle to begin with, so as in the below pic, where regular stop and go driving I'm on the throttle in 1st as needed to move forward, back off brake, stop etc. Having increased the sensitivity, I'm now too close to 2nd and in the same scenario reach 2nd far too quickly and unnecessarily, so moving forward in stop and go goes into second, back off drops back to first, brake, stop etc. Quite annoying in traffic as the transmission is shifting back and forth like that.

I need to decrease it to 5% instead of 10 and see how that works out, otherwise remove it as I never had an issue in the first place.

Potency of it is pretty impressive if you need it not sure its needed on these jeeps or at least in my current setup.


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I put a few miles on w/the 87 tune: it felt basically stock, w/maybe slightly better shift points.
I have sense switched to the 93 tune: (I had 2/3 tank of 89 + octane booster topped off w/93) it felt a little better, & a little better shifts than the 87 tune. I had the throttle boost set at 10, I'm going to try maxing it out at 20 next. I need to put some more miles on to really be able to give an opinion on the overall value of this mod, as it stands now I still feel that I need to regear to feel the changes.
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Interesting. I reduced the throttle boost from 10 to 5% much better for me, it seems to control the "spongey"ness of the accellerator pedal. Before at 10% it was like a plank either on or off, now back to 5% there is some play pressing the accelerator which makes it feel like I am using an accelerator. You can press it or release it before it gets to 2nd gear etc. As for changing fuels, I asked them and they suggested swapping fuel at 1/4 tank remaining or below. Tinker with all settings with what you have now, burn through the remaining fuel doing so, then do the 91 tune with 91 if you have it, that to me was a perfect match (now I got 94 fuel with the 93 tune -- not quite right yet). But do all testing with this batch of fuel, then when near empty fill properly and do corresponding tune in order to make your final determination.
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also check on their forum there is a sticky about octane boosters, what is real and what is not or something. Only one brand/type considered correct. Something like that, details on the forum under one of the main forums.
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I know having a full tank of 93 would be better, but I just couldn't wait.
I hope it gets better w/miles & a tank full of 93, time will tell.
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I'm switching back to 91 tune and 91 octane, finally got through the 94 fuel. Have to say 94 never agreed with the vehicle eve from day 1 without any mods at all. Found it and still does burp on changing gears, not sure what the story is, but 91 is what I'm going to stick with as it matched and worked perfectly with the tune as well as with out it. I'm thinking that maybe the change over reset the transmission memory as that is what it feels like, like the transmission is still learning. I wonder if the switch over from 91 tune to 93 could have caused that or the throttle booster. I'll know once I switch back it gets corrected or feels the same. Still going to do a dyno once I get this settled down and back to how it felt best.
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phew..full and complete success took it down to near E, filled it to the top with 91, flashed the 91 tune and its full and complete awesomeness returned . Had me worried a bit. Without question, stick to the fuels the tune is designed for. Slightest deviation and its totally out of whack. Well not totally it works fine but once you experience the matching tune/fuel and deviate you know something is very off. Best way to describe it is, it's out of sync. gears don't know where they should be, bogs down on hard throttle, just simply out of sync. Matching tune/fuel, man it's like a race car. Same wow factor I got first time round. Not even sure why I wasted my time with the 93 tune in the first place, claimed output is the same. Thought the fuel itself might give it a boost but mine is 94 not matching the 93 tune. Definitely empty the tank and stick to matching fuel and tunes. Feels as good if not better with the 5% throttle boost now as when it was first done.
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What few miles I've put on mine, I'd say the jk feels lighter. I found a local shop that is listed as a Diablo CMR tuner, I'm going to check on a custom tune & a regear. Elarson, has me thinking 5.13's. When new updates for the Trinity come out, let's list them here.
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Good idea. Probably bring it back = to stock specs. (32's and 4.10) where I'm totally feeling it. What do you have 35's on now? For sure still losing some even with the tuner.
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Good idea. Probably bring it back = to stock specs. (32's and 4.10) where I'm totally feeling it. What do you have 35's on now? For sure still losing some even with the tuner.
My tires are 325/60/20 which measure 35" mounted.
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Old 03-30-2013, 11:52 AM   #114
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I'm not sure if it's the tune, but my mpg is up from 14 to 15. However I've seen as high as 17.* last yr in warmer weather.
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So if I get this I would have to reset my jeep to normal with my aev procal where I had the tips and tyre size changed for the automatic gear shift points, and this thing will do the same with shift points as well as "Tune " the performance?
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Ahh, slight correction, just saw the price, going for front lca first lol, a few HP can wait
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No updates so far. Seemed almost ripe a few weeks ago for picking but no luck. 2013 + all the other options that others have (lockers etc.).

Otherwise still plan a dyno and 0-60, so far for me all good moreso since its warmed up significantly massive difference in throttle response in sub zero vs above ordinarily, even worse when its super hot in summer. but so far warm weather the result is the same, same throttle response regardless, which is key.
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Has there been any software updates?
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No news, no updates. Bit bizarre. No further tests from me either, just in the process of trading in the '12 for a '13 10A. Remarkable how the end of the month spooks these dealers. So I'll be waiting on the '13 tune. Can't live without it.

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