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Old 04-10-2012, 07:07 PM   #1
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Tuffy Security Deck Question

Since summer is fast approaching, I have been checking out the Security Deck recently. I like it a lot, however I do have a concern about it. When installed, how much cargo space do you lose? I usually carry a bat bag with that fits perfectly between walls of the cargo area. If I loose a few inches I am worried it wont fit. Since I can not put the seats down for extra length, this product might be useless to me. So any insight you guys may have will be very helpful. Thanks a lot.

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Since summer is fast approaching, I have been checking out the Security Deck recently. I like it a lot, however I do have a concern about it. When installed, how much cargo space do you lose? I usually carry a bat bag with that fits perfectly between walls of the cargo area. If I loose a few inches I am worried it wont fit. Since I can not put the seats down for extra length, this product might be useless to me. So any insight you guys may have will be very helpful. Thanks a lot.
If it fits width-wise (between wheel wells, as opposed to between tailgate and rear seats), you won't lose anything. The security deck has two side plates that mount to the holes along your tub and conform to the upper curves of the wheel wells. A back plate installs between the two side plates (behind your rear seats) with thumb screws. Then the top goes on, and sits flush against your tailgate.

You can remove the top and rear panel in less than 5 mins, restoring all of your cargo area except for the 2 small panels above the wheel wells.

Look on page 2 of this thread, where Sueby posted some photos of her Tuffy box: Tuffy Security Products Security Deck Enclosure

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Not related to the question (as it's already answered), but I thought it's useful to mention: one of the biggest issues with this product is that, if you remove the hardtop often, it will be a real pain. The mounting brackets must be installed AFTER the hardtop is on. Therefore, you can't do easy on/off with the hardtop. Just FYI.
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Not related to the question (as it's already answered), but I thought it's useful to mention: one of the biggest issues with this product is that, if you remove the hardtop often, it will be a real pain. The mounting brackets must be installed AFTER the hardtop is on. Therefore, you can't do easy on/off with the hardtop. Just FYI.
Not trying to hijack the thread but I don't understand what you mean about problems with the deck and the hardtop. I removed my hardtop to install my deck. The hardtop sits perfectly on top. I installed it last spring and remove my hardtop (almost) every Friday afternoon for the weekend with no problems...
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Not related to the question (as it's already answered), but I thought it's useful to mention: one of the biggest issues with this product is that, if you remove the hardtop often, it will be a real pain. The mounting brackets must be installed AFTER the hardtop is on. Therefore, you can't do easy on/off with the hardtop. Just FYI.
So that means every time i want to take off the top I need to uninstall the bracket, remove the top and then reinstall? And vise versa when putting the top back on?
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Not related to the question (as it's already answered), but I thought it's useful to mention: one of the biggest issues with this product is that, if you remove the hardtop often, it will be a real pain. The mounting brackets must be installed AFTER the hardtop is on. Therefore, you can't do easy on/off with the hardtop. Just FYI.
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So that means every time i want to take off the top I need to uninstall the bracket, remove the top and then reinstall? And vise versa when putting the top back on?
Never heard of this being a problem...
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So the top can be removed without uninstalling the deck?
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So the top can be removed without uninstalling the deck?
Yeah. I think that's right but KB will know for sure
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Yeah. I think that's right but KB will know for sure
I don't have a hard top. Soft top only, and an ORH aftermarket top, at that.
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FWIW I just got an email from Tuffy saying that 4 Wheel Parts and 4 Wheel Drive Hardware are offering Tuffy Products at 10% off.

I don't have a hard top either, but if I remember correctly there is 1 bolt on each side that would have to go on after the hard top is installed & would have to be removed to get the hard top off. But I wouldn't think the 1 bolt would be that big of a deal & of course I could be remembering incorrectly too.

kb...did you end up getting the Tuffy tie downs for it? I thought I saw some in a pic somewhere that you posted. How hard were they to install?
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kb...did you end up getting the Tuffy tie downs for it? I thought I saw some in a pic somewhere that you posted. How hard were they to install?
I did get the tie-downs. I painted the bolt heads and washers black (the silver annoyed me), but other than that it was a simple case of measure, mark, drill and bolt down. I installed a total of eight...I've got these Earth Straps made outta recycled tires that are like super bungees. They'll stretch an ungodly amount, but they stay very tight even stretched just a little bit. Perfect for holding down stuff like duffel bags when the Tuffy box itself is full.

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So the top can be removed without uninstalling the deck?
Absolutely. Remove the torx bolts that hold the top on (and that go through the lip of the deck) and take the top off. Put the top back on, bolt it on, back through the deck lip and you're done.

Just to make sure we're on the same page, I have a 4dr JKU and this deck: JK Security Deck Enclosure Jeep Wrangler, JK 2011+
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Not trying to hijack the thread but I don't understand what you mean about problems with the deck and the hardtop. I removed my hardtop to install my deck. The hardtop sits perfectly on top. I installed it last spring and remove my hardtop (almost) every Friday afternoon for the weekend with no problems...
Well, it's possible I'm misunderstanding the installation but, on my Jeep, the 2 metal brackets that secure the trunk to the tub are about 1 cm thick in height (and then the bolts that lock it down probably add another 1 cm in height I'm guessing).

So, if you put your hard top over those metal brackets (i.e., which is what you would have to do if you put the hard top on without undoing the security deck brackets first), your hard top is going to be uneven and there's going to be a gap around where the hard top sits on top of the brackets/bolts. Over time, I'd expect the hard top to warp in those areas then.

Does that make sense? What am I missing?

EDIT: Just to clarify, granted, you're probably always going to remove the bolts from the brackets to put the hard top on but, even so, the hard top is still sitting on top of the 1 cm thick bracket.
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I wish I had looked at this picture earlier.

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I just partially built a Security Deck for a TJ/LJ/YJ... I was shipped the wrong one! Didn't notice until I see all the NON-JK mentionings in the instructions.

Hoping the vendor can sort this out fairly quick and painlessly.
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Well, it's possible I'm misunderstanding the installation but, on my Jeep, the 2 metal brackets that secure the trunk to the tub are about 1 cm thick in height (and then the bolts that lock it down probably add another 1 cm in height I'm guessing).

So, if you put your hard top over those metal brackets (i.e., which is what you would have to do if you put the hard top on without undoing the security deck brackets first), your hard top is going to be uneven and there's going to be a gap around where the hard top sits on top of the brackets/bolts. Over time, I'd expect the hard top to warp in those areas then.

Does that make sense? What am I missing?

EDIT: Just to clarify, granted, you're probably always going to remove the bolts from the brackets to put the hard top on but, even so, the hard top is still sitting on top of the 1 cm thick bracket.
Ok I went out and took a pic, I think I get the confusion. I would have assumed you would just unscrew the bolt & sit the hard top on top of the bracket that's in the pic but you're saying you remove the whole bracket? I wouldn't have thought to do that, but of course I don't have a hard top so what the heck do I know!!

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Nice job, as usual, kb. I'm going to order some along with the liner. Everything slides, the liner will be cool.
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Ok I went out and took a pic, I think I get the confusion. I would have assumed you would just unscrew the bolt & sit the hard top on top of the bracket that in the pic but you're saying you remove the whole bracket? I wouldn't have thought to do that, but of course I don't have a hard top so what the heck do I know!!

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Nice job, as usual, kb. I'm going to order some along with the liner. Everything slides, the liner will be cool.
Thanks. I had the sliding problem, too. Between the diamond mat and the tie-downs, though, no more sliding.
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Ok I went out and took a pic, I think I get the confusion. I would have assumed you would just unscrew the bolt & sit the hard top on top of the bracket that's in the pic but you're saying you remove the whole bracket? I wouldn't have thought to do that, but of course I don't have a hard top so what the heck do I know!!
Your picture says it's an invalid attachment, so I don't know what it shows. But, yes, I would think that, if you sit the hard top over the bracket, the hard top will obviously no longer be flush across the tub side. That means you're going to have some gaps.

To avoid the gaps, you have to temporarily remove (or loosen) the brackets in order to get the hard top on underneath the brackets. To me, that's the pain.

I'd be interested to see a picture of someone's hard top sitting on top of the brackets so I can see if there really is a gap and/or if there's a potential for warping. Anyone please?
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Your picture says it's an invalid attachment, so I don't know what it shows. But, yes, I would think that, if you sit the hard top over the bracket, the hard top will obviously no longer be flush across the tub side. That means you're going to have some gaps.

To avoid the gaps, you have to temporarily remove (or loosen) the brackets in order to get the hard top on underneath the brackets. To me, that's the pain.

I'd be interested to see a picture of someone's hard top sitting on top of the brackets so I can see if there really is a gap and/or if there's a potential for warping. Anyone please?
Not sure what's up with the pic, I can see it from my iphone & my pc, logged in and as a guest. Jimbo's pics do that to me all the time, drives me nuts. But anyway, yea, we're talking about the same thing.
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The deck looks like a good addition! But it's pricey at $450. Anyone find a more economical approach to adding a secured space? I carry a laptop for work so I have to find a solution like this. Any suggestions much appreciated!
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The deck looks like a good addition! But it's pricey at $450. Anyone find a more economical approach to adding a secured space? I carry a laptop for work so I have to find a solution like this. Any suggestions much appreciated!
You can get a lock box and cable it to something. Tuffy has a variety of lock box sizes.
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I did get the tie-downs. I painted the bolt heads and washers black (the silver annoyed me), but other than that it was a simple case of measure, mark, drill and bolt down. I installed a total of eight...I've got these Earth Straps made outta recycled tires that are like super bungees. They'll stretch an ungodly amount, but they stay very tight even stretched just a little bit. Perfect for holding down stuff like duffel bags when the Tuffy box itself is full.

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Thanks for posing these pics kbwwolf! Very helpful. I also went with 8 but haven't decided on the exact placement yet. Are you happy with the placement or would you move them around if you did it all over again? I'm considering leaving 1.5" between the side of the deck and the tie downs. Looks like yours might be around that or possibly closer.

Also going with a spray adhesive for the liner and a silicone sealant for the bolts. Did you drill with the vinyl liner attached or drill the deck first and then attach the liner?
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I have the tuffy 299 and a hard top. You CAN NOT simply put the hard top on top of the brackets. Nothing will line up anymore. They must be removed to take ht on or off. I did buy some wingnuts to make the removal quicker. I'm also in the middle of having some friends make additional brackets. The concept is the top part of the bracket will be thin enough to sit perfectly between the jeep side rail and the ht without raising the top. There is a thin layer of material under the ht. With a portion of this removed, I believe it will work. If it does, the 299 will be perfect for security and my needs. If it does work I will also send my findings to tuffy and maybe they can adjust this bracket size.
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Well I just installed #275 and was thinking it's gonna be a pain to take the brackets off to put the hard top back on. So I think I'm going to make a bracket that's hinged. Use some hefty piano hinge. That way you can just undo the bolts, flip up the bracket to put the hard top on. Then just fold it down install bolts and be done. Wonder why tuffy hasn't thought of this.
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Thanks for posing these pics kbwwolf! Very helpful. I also went with 8 but haven't decided on the exact placement yet. Are you happy with the placement or would you move them around if you did it all over again? I'm considering leaving 1.5" between the side of the deck and the tie downs. Looks like yours might be around that or possibly closer.

Also going with a spray adhesive for the liner and a silicone sealant for the bolts. Did you drill with the vinyl liner attached or drill the deck first and then attach the liner?
I'm happy with the placement. Most of the items I carry on the lid are larger (think duffel bags)...the type of item some bozo couldn't steal, at least quickly, while I'm at a rest stop with my soft top off.

I also keep a bunch of different sized bungees, as well as motorcycle stretch nets, in the Tuffy box, in case I need to carry something that the Earthstraps can't handle.

I used a spray adhesive for the liner, too. No probs even after 2 years of exposure (I take my soft top off in spring and put it back on in fall). I put the liner on first, then drilled straight through the liner and top.

Good luck!
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I'm happy with the placement. Most of the items I carry on the lid are larger (think duffel bags)...the type of item some bozo couldn't steal, at least quickly, while I'm at a rest stop with my soft top off.

I also keep a bunch of different sized bungees, as well as motorcycle stretch nets, in the Tuffy box, in case I need to carry something that the Earthstraps can't handle.

I used a spray adhesive for the liner, too. No probs even after 2 years of exposure (I take my soft top off in spring and put it back on in fall). I put the liner on first, then drilled straight through the liner and top.

Good luck!
So the drilling, mounting, and sealing were easy... that spray adhesive was a NIGHTMARE! I must've tried to line it up a dozen times. Had to reapply the adhesive twice. I wouldn't be surprised if it starts to lift with the number I did on it. If I had to do it again, I'd start on the left or right wing pieces and slowly roll the liner into place.

Thanks for the pointers though kbwwolf!
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I bought this for mine and hope it helps keep things from moving with top off and flying out the back:

Amazon.com: 24"x36" Powertye Extra Large Cargo Net featuring 10 Adjustable Hooks & Tight 2x2 Mesh, Black: Automotive

I am very pleased with my 299, no real loss of space just either things go up top or in the secure area. Nothing has been too big that 'now I can't carry it' because of the deck.

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