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Old 10-30-2013, 10:35 AM   #1
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turn esc and etc off...how ?

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I know in 4low it deactivate the stability and traction control.

I can turn off the traction control with the switch yea.

But the stability control ????

I tried the wheel dance and even if the computer tell me its off its still on I tried going on a drift and still kick in. And this is only in 4hi don't want to do it at all in 2wd

I know what the deal is and won't gonna do this in winter on the freeway. But sometime I would like it to be off and go on a little drift but nooo the stupid stability control came on and bring me back on track (which is great) but not in every situation, I found myself almost loosing control cause it brought the jeep back in straight line in a curb.

Plz help I can't find anything other then the wheel dance which you don't need to do cause you simply hold the traction control switch for several second till it say the stability is off...but its not off at all.

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Old 10-30-2013, 10:52 AM   #2
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page 477 in the owners manual explains it. I don't believe you could turn it fully off unless you are in 4lo

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Why is the dash tell me its off when its not ? No difference at all when I tried it.

I'm actually thinking about getting a traildash from superchips. I don't want it for the tuner but for all the other great features which include turning etc and esc off no matter the traction mode you are in.
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:12 PM   #4
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I always understood it as you can turn off the "traction control" so you can spin the tires, but can't turn off "stability control". This assumption is in 2 hi and 4 hi. This would confirm why you can't drift but may be able to spin the tires.
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Not sure if it's the same system but it's probably very similar, on my '06 Charger R/T if you turned it off it was only 70% off, you could bypass this by finding the module (under center console) and wiring a switch into a certain wire (don't remember off hand which one) then it would be off 100%. On my '09 Charger SRT8 the button would turn it off 100%. If you buy a programmer a lot of them have the feature that will allow you to turn it off 100% as well.
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:15 PM   #6
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I always understood it as you can turn off the "traction control" so you can spin the tires, but can't turn off "stability control". This assumption is in 2 hi and 4 hi. This would confirm why you can't drift but may be able to spin the tires.
Yep this is totally what it is

And yea maybe it come off only at 70%.

And still no way to turn the esc off in 2hi.

So other then some complicated electric work the only way would be a programmer ?
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:34 PM   #7
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It's not that complicated, at least on older models. You simply cut the purple wire to the sensor under the console, and run it through a switch. When you break the circuit, the dash lights up indicating that the esp, traction control, and I think abs breaking are off. They remain off until you complete the circuit again, and restart the vehicle. I used a momentary switch on mine so I wouldn't forget to turn it back on.
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Humm OK anywhere I can find more detail how to do it ? Location of the module and everything ?
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:59 PM   #9
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I have a 2013 jk btw
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Old 10-30-2013, 02:25 PM   #10
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I found answer but not for a 2013
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I did a lot of searching on this because I want to disable all of it completely when wheeling…you can put in a kill switch like igiveup said (google kill switch jk & you'll find everything you need) but from all I've read if you have an auto it will put it in limp mode. It works fine with a manual. Of course I have an auto & am not willing to test out the theory.
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Pull the fuse to the module (Chrysler calls it a BSM on most products) and everything will disable. Unfortunately you will most likely lose ABS and EBD (Electronic Brake Force Distribution) as well, and your cluster will light up like a Christmas tree. You may see your auto trans act a little differently (not positive with the JK) but nothing irreversible. I of course don't recommend anyone do this, but its an option.
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:30 PM   #13
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I heard the fuse is not a good idea and its not practical at all.

I have a manual so it shouldn't be an issue.

I tried to do research but the only thing I found clear enough with pics is for a tj.

Is the module is also located in the center console underneath the arm rest ? I hardly believe that as the storage in the console goes almost al the way to the floor of the jeep (really deep) and my jk moab have a pretty fancy interior I don't want to start on this if its not there. But there is some electric stuff in that console (110v plug in and back window for the back seat.)
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The module in the center console is most likely the vehicle dynamics (yaw) sensor. Unplugging this (or cutting its power) is faulting out the ESP system. It most likely stays faulted until the circuit is completed and it sees a key or power cycle. Be warned though that this sensor is sometimes shared with the occupant restraint controller which may or may not affect other safety aspects while faulted (air bags, seat belts, etc). I would bet that you'd retain more functionality of your ESP system by just faulting this sensor, but you may affect other systems in the process. Just my .02
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ESP Kill Switch Write-up
http://www.jkfreaks.com/forums/showt...SP-Kill-Switch
http://www.jk-adventure.com/JKA/do-y...94/index4.html
This one discussed limp mode prob (I know u have a manual, but for anyone else that comes across this):
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f96/e...ation-1431350/

I've talked to people that have done this on a 13 & it worked fine (a manual) & I have talked to someone who said it puts the jeep in limp mode if it's an auto - all heresay obviously, so take what you will.

You'll also get the confusion of the steering wheel dance works because it's in the first print of the manuals - but it doesn't on the newer jeeps.
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ESP Kill Switch Write-up
http://www.jkfreaks.com/forums/showt...SP-Kill-Switch
http://www.jk-adventure.com/JKA/do-y...94/index4.html
This one discussed limp mode prob (I know u have a manual, but for anyone else that comes across this):
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f96/e...ation-1431350/

I've talked to people that have done this on a 13 & it worked fine (a manual) & I have talked to someone who said it puts the jeep in limp mode if it's an auto - all heresay obviously, so take what you will.

You'll also get the confusion of the steering wheel dance works because it's in the first print of the manuals - but it doesn't on the newer jeeps.
Thx for all this I appreciate it I'll look it up and see what I can do. I heard a programmer like bullydog (it's the only one that work on a 2013 jk) can deactivate all the esc is it right or just like 70% like if I hold the etc for 10 sec ?
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Yes, programmers can. Thats where I'm at, trying to convince myself $500 is nothing.

Good luck.
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Yes, programmers can. Thats where I'm at, trying to convince myself $500 is nothing.

Good luck.
And so many other option. I'm trying to convince myself as well Lol it would also correct my tire size for speedo, control my locker (not sure mine are aftermarket so o need to figure this out) give me inclinometer, multiple extra gauge , what else... Oh yea my fan speed jeep get really hot in 4low due to lack of air flow, and I probably forgive some. And tuning which is not what I'm looking for but would like to try it to see what it really do. And a cool gadget to play with.

I might go down that road. Only the bullydog tho. Diablosport have one but its not made for offloading, and superchips have a flashpaq, no incab computer so no extra option other then tunning.
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If I had a standard I would def do the kill switch before spending money on a tuner. I also have no interest in tuning & it seems silly to spend that much to disable the nannies but I'm not getting anywhere with another way.

My Jeeps electronics freaked out climbing a big ass rock one day. In 4L the transmission slipped into neutral (tho the shifter was in D), the engine revved, all the lights on the dash started flashing & we started heading backwards down the hill. All that stuff is supposed to be disable in 4L & were obviously not. I have no idea why, if it was the roll mitigation because of the incline & maybe a wheel off the ground or if disabling the esp would have changed anything anyway, but it scared the crap out of me & I want that shit off when I'm wheeling! I have talked to a few people who have experienced similar stuff so it bugs me even more. Grrr...stupid technology.
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If I had a standard I would def do the kill switch before spending money on a tuner. I also have no interest in tuning & it seems silly to spend that much to disable the nannies but I'm not getting anywhere with another way.

My Jeeps electronics freaked out climbing a big ass rock one day. In 4L the transmission slipped into neutral (tho the shifter was in D), the engine revved, all the lights on the dash started flashing & we started heading backwards down the hill. All that stuff is supposed to be disable in 4L & were obviously not. I have no idea why, if it was the roll mitigation because of the incline & maybe a wheel off the ground or if disabling the esp would have changed anything anyway, but it scared the crap out of me & I want that shit off when I'm wheeling! I have talked to a few people who have experienced similar stuff so it bugs me even more. Grrr...stupid technology.
What???!!!!

I'm getting this done tomorrow then ! Lol
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This is not for newer model. Its under the dash/steering wheel on idk to 2013
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What???!!!! I'm getting this done tomorrow then ! Lol
Haha! Let me know what you decide on. A curious subject for me. I gotta tell you, I am gun shy. When its cold & icy out & I'm in 4L it wont shift into drive. I had the brakes give out on me one day at MaBell - thankfully I was going uphill. I pulled up behind someone after going up a hill to park & watch the rest of the group & the pedal hit the floor. I was in 4L going uphill so it was no big deal but I was freaked out all day that they weren't gonna be there when I needed them. Anyway, I'll stop freaking you out with my electronically challenged baby.
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Haha! Let me know what you decide on. A curious subject for me. I gotta tell you, I am gun shy. When its cold & icy out & I'm in 4L it wont shift into drive. I had the brakes give out on me one day at MaBell - thankfully I was going uphill. I pulled up behind someone after going up a hill to park & watch the rest of the group & the pedal hit the floor. I was in 4L going uphill so it was no big deal but I was freaked out all day that they weren't gonna be there when I needed them. Anyway, I'll stop freaking you out with my electronically challenged baby.
I will pray lord everyday from now on that my girlfriend(my jeep of course) never get that susceptible with all the fancy electronic toy that's on her.

My standard go downhill reallllly slow in 4low. Except the really steep one. I even have to give her some throttle or shift in 2nd cause its just ridiculously slow. so I'm not to worry if brakes give up on me.

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