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Old 12-26-2012, 09:26 PM   #1
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Two issues on Brand new Rubi

So this might seem like a petty thing to some but i'm losing my mind over this. I have taken my brand new 2013 Rubicon to 2 different Town Fair Tires and finally back to the dealership. I am taking it back Monday for a second time. Why can't anyone get the steering wheel to be perfectly straight when I'm going down the road????? I understand there is going to be some play and depending on the grade of the surface, your going to have to favor it somewhat. But no matter what....since I have gotten it...no one can get it right in the middle. The alignment is not off....it's just the damn wheel. Im sorry but I spent $40k on a new jeep...this is a stupid problem to have.

Also....the seats are squeaky as hell!!! I have a 6 speed and every time I have to clutch...its all I hear....which is all the time!! My car is my get-away from work, life or whatever. I just want peace and quiet....it's so freaking annoying.

Has anyone experienced either or these issues?? Again...I know it might seem like pussy things to complain about...but come on.

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sorry about the noises you bought a vehicle where the tops doors and even the front windshield can be removed. If you wanted piece and quite you should have looked into something a little different then a jeep

As for the steering wheel welcome to owing a solid front axle vehicle they are almost never centered.

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Old 12-26-2012, 09:34 PM   #3
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A jeep will never give you peace and quite. The good news is you can fix your sterring wheel with little effort in your driveway.
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Don't look at the steering wheel when your driving down the road lol
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:36 PM   #5
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The drag link can be adjusted to center the steering wheel. This is a common adjustment usually required after a lift.

As for the seat, I'm sure the dealer can find and fix the source of the noise.
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Here we go again with the "it's a Jeep so deal with the noise" excuse. I swear Jeep engineers have the same mentality.

I would expect a Jeep with some years and miles on it to have a moan or groan but not a new Jeep. Having a removable top and fold down windshield does not mean a new seat should squeak.

It is possible to center the steering wheel but the OP shouldn't have to do it on a brand new Jeep.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:26 PM   #7
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Thank You SilverSport!! I know some of these issues may seem petty to some people but I just spent $40,000 on a Jeep Wrangler...can I at least have one with seats that don't squeak like crazy and a steering wheel that's straight. So far it's been adjusted to the left...then to the right...and now back to the left. Why can't it just be in the f*ckin middle.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:29 PM   #8
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i gotta agree....attention to such details, on what amounts to be an upper end vehicle in my book, should be addressed before it leaves the factory.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:38 PM   #9
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I bought a Silverado pickup brand new back in 1993 (still have it). The speaker on the dash rattled like a rattlesnake. Drove me insane so I took it back and they looked at me like I had a dick growing out of my forehead. Quirks are one thing and lack of attention to detail is another. Get it right now or forever hold your peace.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:40 PM   #10
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I just spent $40,000 on a Jeep Wrangler
This is the problem, Jeeps should never be sold as luxury vehicles.
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Sorry about the squeak. It seems like it's something WD40 can fix, provided someone finds the source. I bought a new JK about a month ago and haven't had these issues - so I don't think squeaky new seats is a "Jeep thing."
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I thought if you wheel wasn't centered the computer would start throwing codes? How far off is your wheel 1/16"?
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I bought a Silverado pickup brand new back in 1993 (still have it). The speaker on the dash rattled like a rattlesnake. Drove me insane so I took it back and they looked at me like I had a dick growing out of my forehead. Quirks are one thing and lack of attention to detail is another. Get it right now or forever hold your peace.
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Also....the seats are squeaky as hell!!! I have a 6 speed and every time I have to clutch...its all I hear....which is all the time!! My car is my get-away from work, life or whatever. I just want peace and quiet....it's so freaking annoying.


I had the “seat squeak” (that sounds rude) as well, I pulled up on the lever on the left side of the seat to bring it just off the floor; mine was all the way down. If yours is not all the way down, drop it all the way down, and then bring it back up a notch. I read this on this forum somewhere, that’s what got me to try it. It worked for me. Give it a try, can’t hurt.
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Here we go again with the "it's a Jeep so deal with the noise" excuse. I swear Jeep engineers have the same mentality.

I would expect a Jeep with some years and miles on it to have a moan or groan but not a new Jeep. Having a removable top and fold down windshield does not mean a new seat should squeak.

It is possible to center the steering wheel but the OP shouldn't have to do it on a brand new Jeep.
Normally, I'd agree with you, SS, but in this case, I just can't...at least not 100%.

The squeaking seat is one thing. No, the seat should not squeak, but to expect a "peace and quiet" ride in a Wrangler? That's just not going to happen. The Wrangler's a "lifestyle vehicle," and made for off-roading and such. Chrysler probably didn't spend nearly as much R&D time on canceling out NVH levels on the Wrangler as they did on a GC. Expectations of a Wrangler being quiet are like expectations for an STi/STI to ride like a Cadillac.

Looking for a ride in "peace and quiet?" Wrong vehicle.
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If the dealer can't / won't do anything about the squeak, try some lithium grease on the rails / contact surfaces.

You should not have to but if it works, it beats sitting around waiting at the dealer.
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Normally, I'd agree with you, SS, but in this case, I just can't...at least not 100%.

The squeaking seat is one thing. No, the seat should not squeak, but to expect a "peace and quiet" ride in a Wrangler? That's just not going to happen. The Wrangler's a "lifestyle vehicle," and made for off-roading and such. Chrysler probably didn't spend nearly as much R&D time on canceling out NVH levels on the Wrangler as they did on a GC. Expectations of a Wrangler being quiet are like expectations for an STi/STI to ride like a Cadillac.

Looking for a ride in "peace and quiet?" Wrong vehicle.
Neither the OP or I said anything about a "peace and quiet ride". NVH and a squeaky seat are two different topics. I can hear the normal engine and exhaust sounds on my Jeep just like any other vehicle I have owned. Maybe a bit louder but nothing unusual. And acceptable.

The seat noise falls in the same category as the noise in the pillar from the door latches. I don't recall anyone saying they liked it.
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Coming from a guy who's driven TJ's, YJ's and CJ's my JK is TOO quiet. I've been trying to master this new 6 sp transmission and I can't here crap from the engine bay. I'm used to hearing everything from the wind, tire noise to engine rpm's resonating through the cabin. I'm not saying it's like a Presidential limo in there but it's the quietest Jeep I've ever been in so far.

Bottom line for me is we all paid good money for these things and if there's a gremlin somewhere in it that can be rectified and not a design flaw then get it fixed before the Dealer forgets who you are.
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Wow, I am always amazed by the low quality accepting "it's a jeep thing" crowd. Manufacturers love that kind of blind loyalty and will continue to reward it by putting in less effort for a higher sell price.

Take it back to the dealer. I have a 2012 Sahara unlimited with a perfectly centered steering wheel and no squeaking seat. According to the defect loving crowd I must have been unlucky to get such a boring Wrangler that has no problems at all.
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Coming from a guy who's driven TJ's, YJ's and CJ's my JK is TOO quiet. I've been trying to master this new 6 sp transmission and I can't here crap from the engine bay. I'm used to hearing everything from the wind, tire noise to engine rpm's resonating through the cabin. I'm not saying it's like a Presidential limo in there but it's the quietest Jeep I've ever been in so far.

Bottom line for me is we all paid good money for these things and if there's a gremlin somewhere in it that can be rectified and not a design flaw then get it fixed before the Dealer forgets who you are.
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I agree my soft top is so quiet even at highway speeds. My ex had a 98 mustang GT convertible that was much noiser.
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I have the same issue with my steering wheel. When I'm tracking straight down the highway, my wheel is about 20 to 25 degrees left of top center. I have about 2000 miles and haven't gone back to dealer yet. I have many issues, and expect ALL to be corrected, unless I determine to leave well enough alone(like the dropping driver seat height or slamming doors) when the cure might kill the patient.

I do love my first Jeep, but I side with the owners who expect better attention to detail. I am a seasoned vehicle owner. Never have I been delivered a factory new unit with the steering wheel misaligned. I'm leaving the other gripes alone out of respect to this thread.
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:28 PM   #23
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If the dealer can't / won't do anything about the squeak, try some lithium grease on the rails / contact surfaces.

You should not have to but if it works, it beats sitting around waiting at the dealer.
I agree. Some minor issues I would handle myself, including this. As far as the steering, the dealer can and should definately be able to center the steering wheel. The wheel on my 10 Rubi is perfectly strait. My seat doesn't squeak either. Why would you take a new vehicle under warrany to a tire place, twice no less, then to the dealer? Maybe Town Fair Tires, whatever those are, screwed something up. The same place that couldn't center the wheel, which isn't difficult to do, thinks the alignment is on; maybe it's not. A decent dealer can fix both issues. Now, if the dealer sent it out to Town because they are not equiped to do an alignment, I would find another dealer.
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This is the problem, Jeeps should never be sold as luxury vehicles.
True, but they shouldn't have the build quality of a $15K Kia regardless.
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I really appreciate everyones responses. I understand its not a luxury vehicle and it's not going to ride like a BMW. I am fine with that... I bought it knowing that. But like a lot of you said, these aren't things anyone should have to deal with. I agree with everyone of you who said "it's a jeep thing" is ridiculous. If a steering wheel can be off to the left, then off to the right, why can't it be centered?? The dealership has been extremely helpful so far. The manager ripped into the service department after it wasn't corrected the first time. I was told by the service department...who now hates me....that there is a "2 degree tolerance level that wranglers have. It's not rack and pinion steering so it's always going to be off. As long as it's not tracking wrong...it's nothing to worry about."
In my opinion....if there equipment allows for a tolerance....adjust it, then drive it, if it's off, then adjust it accordingly by what you think it should be until you get it right.
And as far as the seat....these are just stupid problems to have!! I have tried adjusting it every which way and it still does it. Service tried greasing the rails but it didnt help. I have to get someone to sit in the seat and attack it with WD40 I guess. Again....it just comes back to being frustrated with small shit. I love it other than that.
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This may help with the squeaking seat:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/squ...in-203221.html

On the steering wheel issue, have the service tech that said it's normal take a test drive with a new one on the lot to see if other Wranglers are off center.
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My steering wheel has been centered since day one.. No seat noise either... Sometimes from the seat belt (b pillar pulley) make the dealership(s) fix it
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My wheel is also perfectly straight and no seat squeaks.
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Coming from a guy who's driven TJ's, YJ's and CJ's my JK is TOO quiet. I've been trying to master this new 6 sp transmission and I can't here crap from the engine bay. I'm used to hearing everything from the wind, tire noise to engine rpm's resonating through the cabin. I'm not saying it's like a Presidential limo in there but it's the quietest Jeep I've ever been in so far.

Bottom line for me is we all paid good money for these things and if there's a gremlin somewhere in it that can be rectified and not a design flaw then get it fixed before the Dealer forgets who you are.
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