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Old 08-25-2012, 10:45 AM   #31
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This is some interesting info. I would imagine the stock 32s on my rubicon would t be enough to cause such damage. Am I correct in thinking this?
I drove my rubi stock for 18 months. C's bent after a few months.

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Old 08-25-2012, 10:50 AM   #32
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That kit is crazy...

Only $200 Looks like a bitch to install ?

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Old 08-25-2012, 10:53 AM   #33
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I drove my rubi stock for 18 months. C's bent after a few months.
At what point are the C's too far bent to be repaired?
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:57 AM   #34
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Any preference on gussets? Any affect on factory warranty by having some welded in?

I'm on 35's with the D44 front axle, but this is definitely an issue I don't want to encounter regardless of what axles I have.
Well, I can only say that I bought my Jeep new in 2011 and did all the work to it myself so it has a 4.5 long arm upgrade by rubicon express and to add to the madness I went with FOA coil overs and some very heavy duty shocks by fox in the rear. For $300.00 I bought and love my EVO axle sleeves!! Front axle is now very beefy! They took about 8 hours to install. There was some welding but it was a very easy weld to fill in some drilled holes. I run 37's when I off road and 35's on the streets with no problems what's so ever. That's not to say something won't come up but for 300 bucks why not
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Old 08-25-2012, 11:54 AM   #35
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Okay thank you everyone. That helps me understand much better.

This is the Artec kit we are talking about correct?: Artec JK Front Axle ARMOR KIT

How involved is installing this kit? I understand it is welded on and not something I'm doing but if I call around looking for a shop I'm wondering what is reasonable for them to say in terms of the work involved.

Also...why are we only talking about the front end? Is the rear axle more beefy because it is the main drive axle?

Thanks again!
The rear axle doesnt steer..so its not as big of a problem..but i WILL be adding the Artec kit before winter gets here.
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Old 08-25-2012, 01:30 PM   #36
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At what point are the C's too far bent to be repaired?
By the time you notice your tires wearing funny it's too late.
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:20 PM   #37
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Well, this may be one of the few mods I have to seriously look into.
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:43 PM   #38
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Never had any trouble off road. Going through bank drive thru and tread caught the edge of 2 inch curb. I had to recenter the steering wheel to keep the tcs happy.
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wow, check out this kit. Looks like the whole kit/kaboodle without tearing into the axle itself.

This a good deal?

artec jk front axle armor kit
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:02 PM   #40
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if this is such a problem even on stock jeeps than why doesnt the company do something about it
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:20 PM   #41
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I'm getting the Artek kit as well as the Teraflex no-weld sleeves. Since my wife is set on 37's, yes it's her DD lol, I want to make sure it's going to hold up. A few hundred bucks for a lot of peace of mind is worth every penny.
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I understand people wanting to make sure it is going to hold up. (I have made lots of post on here saying I beleave in overkill)

I beleave that only sleeves and gussets is more then enough. I did install a small truss on the long tube side just to be sure. Unless you are going to wheel the piss out of it with something over 40's(then the tubes are the least of your worrys) you are good to go.

We run 5 diamonds and there are JK's with 37/40's with only sleeves and the C's gusseted and I have yet to see a bent tube or C failer
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I won't be doing any extreme wheeling, just some fun stuff, general trails, etc.

Given the cost (of labor) to sleeve the axles, I'd rather just have this kit welded on and call it good.

And given that I won't have the dealer do this stuff, I don't want to tear into the axle itself and void my warranty should something internal go wrong. I'm ok with having something welded on the outside to add strength. That shouldn't aid in anything failing, the opposite should occur.
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The rear axle doesnt steer..so its not as big of a problem..but i WILL be adding the Artec kit before winter gets here.
Is the artic a good kit? If I do just mild offroading and run 315/70/17s I should be solid with that kit
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:37 PM   #45
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Are there any like bolt on axle mods?
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Old 08-26-2012, 04:35 AM   #46
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Add bent rear axle flange to the mix.
Upgrade time
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Old 08-26-2012, 06:07 AM   #47
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So if I beef up my front end I should be ok. As it looks I might need to do this anyway with my Sahara. As the c's seem to bend on stock models.
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Sleeves don't just help keep the tube from bending, they also limit the amount of flex on the axle shaft under heavy torque situations.
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How about adding truss reinforcement in addition or stand alone. Anyone have experience?
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So I plan on running 315/70/17's and 2.5" lift and I will be 90% road driving my JKU, I will probably run mostly the easy Green to mild Blue trails, and I really dont want to have any issues with the D30 with that info given would I be okay with the Artec kit or should I get sleeves also?

I'm on a very tight budget and will be building this over time, Since I know once I get the lift and tires I will have the itch to hit trails more often I'm thinking I should save for the front axle reinforcement good first.

When I saw the Artec kit my initial thought was that it was decently priced and it seems like something I can install myself, I can weld pretty good but I'm no professional...

Any input from the more experienced wheelers of weather that kit alone will be enough or if I should have sleeves also would be great.

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Does any one no of any axle reiforcement mods that are pretty easy to install. I am going to run 315s also should I get sleeves or just truss, and gusset it with the artic kit?
Sorry for hijacking I'm interested also
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Does any one no of any axle reiforcement mods that are pretty easy to install. I am going to run 315s also should I get sleeves or just truss, and gusset it with the artic kit?
Sorry for hijacking I'm interested also
You should sleeve and gusset the upper C's at minimum.
I don't think it cost more than a few hundred bucks, Parts/labor.
Beats 2-3k for new a new axle

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what is the order between the sleeve and truss?

can I just truss it without a sleeve?

what is the order of importance?

Does the axle have to be removed from the truck to weld it? Or can it be welded already in?
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how can I tell if the c's or axle are bent?
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how can I tell if the c's or axle are bent?
Tire leaning in and excessive negative camber.
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how can I tell if the c's or axle are bent?
They dont measure the same as stock
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They dont measure the same as stock
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:18 PM   #58
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lots of questions here... any experts have opinions to offer?
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lots of questions here... any experts have opinions to offer?
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some opinion and some experience here, doing a lot of reading on the pros and cons and necessity, Rusty's offroad has weld on kit for 70 bucks or so, artex has kit and several others in 200 dollar plus prices. Have yet to have anyone confirm that the c has actually spread on the jeep axle with 35 inch tires, guess its a possibility for the tubes to bend at the c's or the center section, some would have you believe this can be done with a jack supporting the jeeps weight only. Used floor jacks on the center section on everything from trucks to cheap cars no alignment issues ever. Have driven several 4x4's Jeep and others with up to 40 inch tires, even abused by jumping over dirt mounds put there to prevent wheeling. Never bent an axle on any, busted pinion's, busted spiders, twisted axle splines but never bent the actual tube. I am probably going to go the Rusty's weld on route just cause I can weld have the equipment and its a litlle more peace of mind, but really like the mass bolt change out for new jeeps to eliminate possible DW dont think its really necessary for most of us.

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