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Old 06-20-2011, 03:35 PM   #1
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Unlimited - Red / White / Blue

I know this is purely what I like better and personal preference but I ordered the 2012 Unlimited in Cosmos Blue. I keep looking around at pictures online and am really starting to like the white but I have always liked the Flame Red as well. CRAP I need to make up my mind quick before it's too late to change my order. I planning to put a 2.5" Teraflex lift on and black wheels with 33's (ya how original am I!!) if they will fit with that kit without rub.

What color would you pick if you ordered one? I just don't want to be disappointed.

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35's will fit without rub if your wheel's have therright back spacing on a 2.5in lift. So yep 33's will be fine. Any chance of red, white, and blue? Pick a base color, white probably the best and do a waving flag thing down the sides. being blue and red..

Just a idea I had.. If not I like the blue personaly

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I place my order for a JKU Rubicon in White. I'm going to try to work some Desert Storm Camo some where on mine be it some 13 or 15 inch decal stars on the front doors and hood. I'll see what creative ideas I come up with.
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I figure the Blue will be less popular and wouldn't see a bunch of them around the area. Black seems to be the most popular so the Blue would be different in that aspect.
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this white jeep at the bottom is what is really changing my mind. that is essentially what i want to do with mine. it even looks great with the stock wheels on bigger tires.
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The Chrystal red or whatever it's called is really nice,(metallic) I would have that before blue or white, not really a fan of the plain red though
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35's will fit without rub if your wheel's have therright back spacing on a 2.5in lift. So yep 33's will be fine. Any chance of red, white, and blue? Pick a base color, white probably the best and do a waving flag thing down the sides. being blue and red..

Just a idea I had.. If not I like the blue personaly
What size wheel should be used with 35's? Can they fit on the stock 17's? I don't really understand backspacing that much yet. I was hearing that spacers aren't really the best route to take because it adds stress to the stock axel. Not sure how much water that holds.
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A 16x8 or 17x9 with 3.75-4in of Back Spacing.. I don't think you can get away with 4.5in of B.S.. But someone can verify that.. A 15x8 will work as well, but they are not as commonly used on the JK for a aftermarket rim size..
Don't use spacers, Or at least not if you don't have to.. They are pretty much a last resort kinda of thing. You can not run 35's on your stock rims without spacers.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:11 PM   #9
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Oh cool thanks for the info. Is there a good site to get wheels for the wranglers? I have seen a few but there wasn't a big selection. Is there a certain type of wheel that will give me the bigger backspace that I would need to run 35's with the Teraflex 2.5?

BTW looks like most people are voting Red so far!

Why can't I just have one of each color
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Actually IIRC, you WANT wheels with 4.5" BS for bigger tires.
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^^ --- I guess I still don't understand the backspacing thing that well...Logic would tell me that a bigger BS would leave the wheel more likely to rub because inturn it would require a wider tire. This is my first time with this stuff so I am sure I will learn as I go along.

I am kind of worried about voiding the warranty now if I lift or change wheels. I emailed my dealership the following (under an anonymous name of course):

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I am considering the order of a 2012 Wrangler. If I buy one I would like to put a small lift (2.5") and possibly a little bigger tire on it. Does this effect the warranty (100k / 5 year power train or the 3 year bumper to bumper) at all? Also do you guys offer lifts there on new vehicle purchases? Thanks in advance for the response! Look forward to getting my new Jeep.


We will see what they say and I will post it up because from what I have read there was never a definite answer. This will also be dealer specific but it may give some info if needed.
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Every dealer is differnt. My dealer purchased my 2 inch budget boost, installed it and purchased my OEM wheels/tires so I could install aftermarket wheels and 33's.
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You want less--not more--backspacing. Backspacing measures the depth of the wheel, and it's independent from the surface that the tire sits on. Less backspacing means the tire sits farther out from your axles, so you can use a wider tire without rubbing any components. Read this: (http://www.jk-forum.com/showthread.p...274#post211274).

There is definitely an "answer" to warranty questions, and it has little to do with your dealer's thoughts on the topic.

Your warranty applies to your jeep as it left the factory. If you change something--like new wheels--those new wheels won't be covered. This makes sense of course, as why would Chrysler provide a warranty for Crager wheels? Crager would cover them with their warranty, but Chrysler would not.

All the original equipment on your jeep will remain covered by Chrysler after you swap wheels/coils/shocks/whatever EXCEPT things damaged by the change you made. For example, if you put on new tires that are too wide that rub and damage your air dam and sway bar links, Chrysler would not be obligated to cover that under warranty (even though it's Chrysler parts that have been damaged) because the modification you made is in fact what caused the damage.

Almost nothing except odometer tampering outright "voids" your entire warranty. It's a piece-by-piece issue, not a total voidness issue.

So just remember: All original equipment on your jeep is covered unless you make a change that damages it. The fact that your dealer bought/installed/approved it makes no legal difference. Dealers have no legal authority to alter the terms of the warranty provided by Chrysler. The only benefit to having a dealer do the work is simply that, practically, they make they initial determination of whether a mod has caused damage and they'll look stupid claiming something they did is what caused the problem.

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You want less--not more--backspacing. Backspacing measures the depth of the wheel, and it's independent from the surface that the tire sits on. Less backspacing means the tire sits farther out from your axles, so you can use a wider tire without rubbing any components. Read this: (MODIFIED TECH FAQ - Answers to the Questions Every Newbie Has).

There is definitely an "answer" to warranty questions, and it has little to do with your dealer's thoughts on the topic.

Your warranty applies to your jeep as it left the factory. If you change something--like new wheels--those new wheels won't be covered. This makes sense of course, as why would Chrysler provide a warranty for Crager wheels? Crager would cover them with their warranty, but Chrysler would not.

All the original equipment on your jeep will remain covered by Chrysler after you swap wheels/coils/shocks/whatever EXCEPT things damaged by the change you made. For example, if you put on new tires that are too wide that rub and damage your air dam and sway bar links, Chrysler would not be obligated to cover that under warranty (even though it's Chrysler parts that have been damaged) because the modification you made is in fact what caused the damage.

Almost nothing except odometer tampering outright "voids" your entire warranty. It's a piece-by-piece issue, not a total voidness issue.

So just remember: All original equipment on your jeep is covered unless you make a change that damages it. The fact that your dealer bought/installed/approved it makes no legal difference. Dealers have no legal authority to alter the terms of the warranty provided by Chrysler. The only benefit to having a dealer do the work is simply that, practically, they make they initial determination of whether a mod has caused damage and they'll look stupid claiming something they did is what caused the problem.

Make sense?
Perfectly said Thanks for the input
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Hello,

I am considering the order of a 2012 Wrangler. If I buy one I would like to put a small lift (2.5") and possibly a little bigger tire on it. Does this effect the warranty (100k / 5 year power train or the 3 year bumper to bumper) at all? Also do you guys offer lifts there on new vehicle purchases? Thanks in advance for the response! Look forward to getting my new Jeep.

So here is the response I received from my dealership in Tulsa regarding Lift / Warranty. Pretty good info although I know dealership will want a lot to install a lift (especially the mopar which from what I have read is the Rubicon Express):

Kenny,

Good morning! Thank you for expressing interest in the Jeep Wrangler. Great choice! You have contacted us at a great time. We have a fantastic selection of two and four door Jeeps, and I would like to invite you to Broken Arrow to take one for a drive. When is a good time for you? We are conveniently located off of the Broken Arrow Expressway, and our hours are from nine until eight every day except for Sunday. We have our own Off-Road Center here that is able to do whatever you wish to your new Jeep. The only limit is your imagination and your budget. We do offer a two inch suspension lift that has no effect on the manufacturer's warranty. Also, Jeep has recently offered a four inch suspension lift through Mopar that is completely covered by factory warranty. We have installed several of these kits and they look great! I understand that your time is important, and you wish to use it effectively. Would you like me to call you to set up a time to get together, or would you prefer contact by email? Just let me know what works best for you. Feel free to contact me directly with any questions about this vehicle. I am happy to help any way that I can.

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Thanks for posting this. It's a good illustration of why everything a dealer who is not Pat@FieldsJeep says must be taken with a grain of salt.

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We do offer a two inch suspension lift that has no effect on the manufacturer's warranty.
That's pretty much correct, just ambiguously stated so as to suggest that a dealership installation is required. It is not. No properly installed 2" lift of reasonable quality is going to significantly impact the warranty of a JKU.

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Also, Jeep has recently offered a four inch suspension lift through Mopar that is completely covered by factory warranty.
Unless Chrysler has rewritten their factory warranty since I bought my Jeep in 2010 or revised their view on Mopar lift kits, that's false. Flatly, utterly, and absolutely false.

Download a copy of the warranty documents here (they're short, actually). Mopar lift kits are considered "performance parts." On this topic, your warranty booklet states: "Performance or racing parts are considered to be non-Chrysler parts. Repairs or adjustments caused by their use are not covered under your warranties."

Thus, from a warranty perspective, Mopar lifts are no different from lifts by any other brand. The kit itself is not covered, nor is any damage caused by the kit. Period. The fact that a dealer did the install does not re-write the quoted language.

That said, there are at least two practical benefits I can think of to having a dealer do your lift work. First, the dealer (not Chrysler) may in fact warrant their installation, providing you some recourse (though it will only be good at that dealership). Of course this would be true of any reputable shop.

Second, as a practical matter the dealer is going to be the initial decision-maker as to whether a mod has caused damage, and, therefore, whether Chrysler should deny a warranty claim to fix that damage. Getting the dealer's opinion reversed requires you to go up the chain with Chrysler or file a lawsuit. If the dealer did the install, they're of course likely to be more interested in concluding that their install didn't cause damage, the result being that you're more likely to perhaps get warranty work done that you would otherwise be denied.

You will of course pay about double to have a dealer install a lift. So, in my view, I'd rather keep the money and pay for any unlikely damage that results myself.
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I think you should go with either white or red; ... don't want too many Cosmos Blue Jeeps running around.

As for the 2.5" Teraflex lift, there shouldn't be any problem running 33" tires without tire rub. I'm running the same 2.5" lift and 37s, with no tire rub.
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I think you should go with either white or red; ... don't want too many Cosmos Blue Jeeps running around.

As for the 2.5" Teraflex lift, there shouldn't be any problem running 33" tires without tire rub. I'm running the same 2.5" lift and 37s, with no tire rub.
Wow no spacers or anything? I have never heard of 37's fitting that lift. Weird. The max I would go I think would be 35's just less money and hopefully not as bad fuel economy. By the way...what is your average mpg? with the pentastar and the 5 speed tranny I am hoping to still get "decent" gas mileage but of course there aren't any reviews on it yet since it's not out on the jeep yet.

Oh and as for the color....I did some drinking and some thinking last night and it hit me....I am set on the Blue and going to keep it. Saw some more pics of it and I really do like it.
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You will of course pay about double to have a dealer install a lift. So, in my view, I'd rather keep the money and pay for any unlikely damage that results myself.
The only thing I am really worried about is any issues that may arise with the new engine and tranny. Everything else i've encountered on a vehicle is usually repairable easily. I would hate for the engine to somehow fail and they refuse to replace it because I have a lift which is ridiculous. I wonder if my insurance would cover that if the warranty was somehow determined void? lol
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The only thing I am really worried about is any issues that may arise with the new engine and tranny. Everything else i've encountered on a vehicle is usually repairable easily. I would hate for the engine to somehow fail and they refuse to replace it because I have a lift which is ridiculous. I wonder if my insurance would cover that if the warranty was somehow determined void? lol
I have never heard of a catastrophic engine/transmission failure being attributed to new wheels, tires, or a lift of the sizes and types typically discussed around here. I can't really imagine how such an attribution would be more likely to occur with the 3.6 than the 3.8.

At the end of the day, is it possible that some batsh*t crazy dealer service tech could declare that your new seat covers caused you to blow a piston? I guess. Is it likely? No. Could he or his dealership really defend such an opinion? Probably not. Even if it occurs, if your seat covers (or wheels, whatever) in fact didn't cause the problem, is it likely that you'll be able to get Chrysler to override the opinion with diligent efforts? Probably.

Sometimes you've got to just pull the trigger.

Another thing to consider is that, frankly, I've never really understood this entire issue. It seems to me that if you do in fact want to modify your Jeep, you're far better off doing while it's under warranty than you are waiting for your warranty to expire. If you make your mods while the Jeep is under warranty, at least you have a chance that any issues will be covered by Chrysler. If you wait until the warranty expires, then you're on your own no matter what.
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Wow no spacers or anything? I have never heard of 37's fitting that lift. Weird.
2 1/2" lift, 37s, and cosmos blue, ... there you go.



As far as the warranty goes; good luck with that. I just had my first parts failure last week. One of the front axle u-joint caps worked its way off. Didn't even bother asking about warranty because it was a good excuse to upgrade to a set of RCV axle shafts. They have a lifetime gaurantee, if I ever break them the replacement is free. They're claimed to be the strongeset axle shafts on the planet.
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2 1/2" lift, 37s, and cosmos blue, ... there you go.

As far as the warranty goes; good luck with that. I just had my first parts failure last week. One of the front axle u-joint caps worked its way off. Didn't even bother asking about warranty because it was a good excuse to upgrade to a set of RCV axle shafts. They have a lifetime gaurantee, if I ever break them the replacement is free. They're claimed to be the strongeset axle shafts on the planet.
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2 1/2" lift, 37s, and cosmos blue, ... there you go.
Ah so you shaved down your fenders? Those tires are a bit bigger than I want. That is an awesome pic though. Really makes me glad I stuck with the Blue when I see pics like that. Awesome jeep
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On a side note for the money it's going to cost me to do this stuff from the dealer and etc sounds like I mise well just change my order to a Rubicon and put the cash down to pay the price difference from the Sport. Then I would have everything I would need right out of the box and not even have to worry about voiding the warranty.

Looks to be a difference of $4590 between the Sport S I built and the Ruby.
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2 1/2" lift, 37s, and cosmos blue, ... there you go.
Also I noticed yours is the rubicon...Since they have the stronger Dana 44's what were you doing to break the shaft? I assume the shaft runs through the axle itself....Did it have anything to do with the lift or the 37's or were you just doing something crazy? lol
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The weak link on a JK is its front axle. The axle tubes have been known to bend, the inner c-knuckles bend, the balljoints are plastic and fail with few miles on the Jeep, and the u-joint caps are held on with a cheap c-clip instead of a quality snap ring. Unfortunately for Rubicon owners, the axle tubes, inner c-knuckles, and balljoints are the same on a Rubicon Dana 44 as they are on a Dana 30 that is found in a Sport or Sahara Jeep.

When my front axle had problems I was exploring in the mountains, and was the first vehicle through in the early summer. I had to break through a couple of snow drifts, and had to winch through a couple of snow drifts, which was no big deal. Here is a picture from that day.

The problem was with all the dead fall blocking the trail. I used a snatch strap to drag a downed tree out of the way. I had to tug it a half dozen times, but never pulled hard enough to even spin the tires. When I got back on the highway after this trip I heard the tell tale sound of a clunking u-joint that would clunk once for every tire rotation. I got out and checked my front axle, and sure enough, one of the u-joint caps had started to push off, and the joint was loose. This is a fairly common problem with the stock front axle u-joint caps. It isn't really even a "broken part", it is a part that just falls off. I don't think I was getting crazy with it at all. The snatch strap had been hooked to the front bumper on the side where the j-joint cap came off, and I had been pulling in reverse, which is harder on the front axle. There must have been just enough force to pop that c-clip off.
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So would I have any trouble with the D30 axle in the long run running a lift and 35's? Let me clarify my driving habits - I will not be doing anything crazy in a brand new vehicle that I am paying 30k+ for. So a trail here and there and some rugged terrain. A lift and 35's mod-wise would probably be the extent of suspension type mods that I do (If I even do 35's...33's may also work out).

Would I have any issues in a sport wheeling on trails with bigger tires and the D30/D35 axle? I also want something that will last over time if I put it through anything out of the ordinary (off-road). Would the cost of the Rubicon pay itself off more as far as longevity?
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