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Old 12-14-2012, 12:34 AM   #3751
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Wow.... such an intelligent statement, very helpfull, thanks.

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Old 12-14-2012, 12:41 AM   #3752
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Dont know if anyone has brought this up yet but Ford had a similar ticking issue back in 05, The big V8, 5.4L if I remember right, anyway they chased that ticking noise all over the engine blaming and repairing all types of things. Real story is they would never do a complete recall to really fix the issue as it would cost way to much $$$, hope the same isnt true for the Jeep. I really wanted the 3.6 and extra hp but kinda glad I got the 3.8 right now.
I had one of those ticking 05 F150's and put over 170k on it without a single repair.

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Wow.... such an intelligent statement, very helpfull, thanks.
Just taking up for the forum embattled 3.6
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Dont know if anyone has brought this up yet but Ford had a similar ticking issue back in 05, The big V8, 5.4L if I remember right, anyway they chased that ticking noise all over the engine blaming and repairing all types of things. Real story is they would never do a complete recall to really fix the issue as it would cost way to much $$$, hope the same isnt true for the Jeep. I really wanted the 3.6 and extra hp but kinda glad I got the 3.8 right now.
The last thing Chrysler needs is a recall. So far it has not become a safety issue so I doubt they'll be forced to recall them, and they sure as hell won't volunteer for a recall. I'm sure they'd rather deal with them case by case, its cheaper than a recall. Once these bugs are ironed out the 3.6 is going to be a great engine IMO. Chrysler seems to be working hard to make that happen, they have a lot riding on it.
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The last thing Chrysler needs is a recall. So far it has not become a safety issue so I doubt they'll be forced to recall them, and they sure as hell won't volunteer for a recall. I'm sure they'd rather deal with them case by case, its cheaper than a recall. Once these bugs are ironed out the 3.6 is going to be a great engine IMO. Chrysler seems to be working hard to make that happen, they have a lot riding on it.
Agree 100%. And yes there are those who legitimately have the tic but, to many speculations and over thinking this. You have 5 yrs from purchase to bring it in and have it looked at! Who cares if they have to do a repair on a new engine?? Shit happens. I can't wrap my head around the mentality of those who want to trade for an unknown and don't want their engine touched??? Stop worrying and enjoy our jeeps!!!!
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Agree 100%. And yes there are those who legitimately have the tic but, to many speculations and over thinking this. You have 5 yrs from purchase to bring it in and have it looked at! Who cares if they have to do a repair on a new engine?? Shit happens. I can't wrap my head around the mentality of those who want to trade for an unknown and don't want their engine touched??? Stop worrying and enjoy our jeeps!!!!
Everyone has their own opinion, and I won't comment one way or the other about what they do or how they feel. I think Chrysler is on top of this, and the Pentastar is a good engine platform just having some growing pains. Your right enjoy the Jeeps! Seasons Greetings!!!!!!!
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We just got our 1st service tech van with the pentastar engine. I guarantee it will be used hard. There will be lots of idling and the company that buys and services them for us will do 7,500 mile oil changes with conventional oil. Fiat Chrysler does have a great deal invested in this engine and putting them in fleet commercial duty vehicles will prove how reliable they are. I wonder if any taxi companies are using cars or vans with this engine?
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Dont know if anyone has brought this up yet but Ford had a similar ticking issue back in 05, The big V8, 5.4L if I remember right, anyway they chased that ticking noise all over the engine blaming and repairing all types of things. Real story is they would never do a complete recall to really fix the issue as it would cost way to much $$$, hope the same isnt true for the Jeep. I really wanted the 3.6 and extra hp but kinda glad I got the 3.8 right now.
Cam phasers, common problem on some. My '04 F150 with the 5.4 never had an issue, was running strong when I parted with it in September....
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Problem # 3.... major grinding when accelerating in 3rd 4th and sometimes fifth gears.... sounds like marbles rattling in a can. I guess they can replace the tranny along with the heads when I take it in next week...
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Cam phasers, common problem on some. My '04 F150 with the 5.4 never had an issue, was running strong when I parted with it in September....
I just let my 05 go last week. It had 104K on the clock and no such tick either. Was a great motor. Other than the expensive spark plug change it was running strong last I saw her.
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Problem # 3.... major grinding when accelerating in 3rd 4th and sometimes fifth gears.... sounds like marbles rattling in a can. I guess they can replace the tranny along with the heads when I take it in next week...
good luck. search for 2012 gear rattle. my trans has been out twice for this. they replaced almost everything the second time around and it still does it.
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I just let my 05 go last week. It had 104K on the clock and no such tick either. Was a great motor. Other than the expensive spark plug change it was running strong last I saw her.
Lol! That's one of the reasons I traded it in. After I got a quote for the spark plug change and the good chance the plugs would snap off I dumped it for a new car. Mine ticked but never affected anything. Great truck.
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Agree 100%. And yes there are those who legitimately have the tic but, to many speculations and over thinking this. You have 5 yrs from purchase to bring it in and have it looked at! Who cares if they have to do a repair on a new engine?? Shit happens. I can't wrap my head around the mentality of those who want to trade for an unknown and don't want their engine touched??? Stop worrying and enjoy our jeeps!!!!
Thats a BS statement. I paid 42k for my JKU and having the heads ripped off my brand new veh is un f'ing acceptable. Nobody should bend over and accept that.
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I paid 42k for my JKU and having the heads ripped off my brand new veh is un f'ing acceptable. Nobody should bend over and accept that.
I have a co-worker that bought a brand new $100k Porsche Panamera. Drove it for a few months and had a problem. He just recently got back after being in the shop for over a month. It happens to ALL brands.

Don't see how letting the manufacturer preform a warranty repair is seen as bending over? Having the head replaced is not going to negatively affect the performance, reliability, or resale of the vehicle.

Why does it bother you so much?
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[QUOTE=E-man;3104551]I have a co-worker that bought a brand new $100k Porsche Panamera. Drove it for a few months and had a problem. He just recently got back after being in the shop for over a month. It happens to ALL brands.

Don't see how letting the manufacturer preform a warranty repair is seen as bending over? Having the head replaced is not going to negatively affect the performance, reliability, or resale of the vehicle.

Why does it bother you so much?[/QUOTE]

Why shouldnt it? I value the hard earned cash I work for.
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Thats a BS statement. I paid 42k for my JKU and having the heads ripped off my brand new veh is un f'ing acceptable. Nobody should bend over and accept that.
Well if you don't want to deal automotive issues, sell your Jeep and take the bus. How do you think people with Ferraris feel when their $50,000 engines drop a cylinder and it winds up in the shop for six months while Ferrari tests the engine to make sure you're running their REQUIRED Shell oil, and I'm not talking about a "Shell" oil you can purchase at the local Advance Auto Parts.

So, what's that mean? Every time someone has an issue with their Ferrari, the company is looking for reasons to NOT cover your vehicle. Nothing like spending $280,000 on a car and having a company trying to call you a "liar," huh?

Everyone here knows it's unacceptable for a new vehicle to have a defective engine, hence the reason manufacturers provide GUARANTEES for their vehicles called "WARRANTIES."

Yeah, I know, now you're going to post back saying, "Well we'll see how angry you are when it happens to you!" That's when I'm going to respond with, "Well, what can ya do, it happens. It's frustrating and I'm angry, but it's being fixed, and in the meantime, I'm putting miles on someone else's car."

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I have a co-worker that bought a brand new $100k Porsche Panamera. Drove it for a few months and had a problem. He just recently got back after being in the shop for over a month. It happens to ALL brands.

Don't see how letting the manufacturer perform a warranty repair is seen as bending over? Having the head replaced is not going to negatively affect the performance, reliability, or resale of the vehicle.

Why does it bother you so much?
Exactly. While it's sitting there, it's not accruing mileage, therefore its lifespan is only being extended and resale will be even higher because it'll have less miles on it.
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I have a co-worker that bought a brand new $100k Porsche Panamera. Drove it for a few months and had a problem. He just recently got back after being in the shop for over a month. It happens to ALL brands.

Don't see how letting the manufacturer preform a warranty repair is seen as bending over? Having the head replaced is not going to negatively affect the performance, reliability, or resale of the vehicle.

Why does it bother you so much?[/QUOTE]

Why shouldnt it? I value the hard earned cash I work for.
Well, join the club! I think we ALL value the hard-earned cash we work for. Problems happen. That's a simple fact of life. If you're upset about your vehicle having an issue, wait until you purchase a home, which is significantly more expensive than a vehicle. You think you won't have problems, even with a new home? Good luck with that.
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A couple of guys that dont mind taking it up the ass. To each there own.
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:32 PM   #3769
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A couple of guys that dont mind taking it up the ass. To each there own.
I am curious why after doing all the research which I know you did, why on earth did you buy a 2012? I know from reading your posts you fretted over buying one to begin with. I know many people buy these without doing any research so I can understand those people being a upset. I do not understand how having warranty work is taking it up the ass.
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A couple of guys that dont mind taking it up the ass. To each there own.
I still don't understand how you think everyone is "taking it up the ass"? I purchased a vehicle with a warranty. Something went wrong. Manufacturer stepped up and honored their warranty and fixed the vehicle free of change with a revised part.

End of story. Case closed. My ass doesn't hurt and I have NO hard feelings towards the dealer, Jeep, Chrysler, or Fiat whatsoever. I'm actually pleasantly surprised how STAR handled my case. I can't complain one bit.
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one other point replacing heads is no big deal. I for the life of me can not understand why people think it is major work. heads are a freaking unbolt and bolt on affair. People do not think twice about installing a lift kit or replacing gearing but gearing replacement is more technical then swapping heads.
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one other point replacing heads is no big deal. I for the life of me can not understand why people think it is major work. heads are a freaking unbolt and bolt on affair. People do not think twice about installing a lift kit or replacing gearing but gearing replacement is more technical then swapping heads.
It is major work. It's not like they're replacing a belt, hose, or gasket. They're replacing a key component of the engine. In most cases they swap the whole valvetrain over from the old head. It's all aluminum, so care has to be taken with the bolts and parts. It takes them 8+ hours to do it and you need special training to do it.
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It is major work. It's not like they're replacing a belt, hose, or gasket. They're replacing a key component of the engine. In most cases they swap the whole valvetrain over from the old head. It's all aluminum, so care has to be taken with the bolts and parts. It takes them 8+ hours to do it and you need special training to do it.
I guess I look at things a little differently. I have been wrenching for 40 years so to me and anybody else who wrenches they will tell you that it is no big deal. Do not confuse time with difficulty or integrity of the job.
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There is a difference between a random event which requires warranty work and an issue that seems to almost be covered up.

Stuff happens.....whatever... But if there is a design flaw? That is another story.
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I'm hyper paranoid about having others work on my vehicles.

This one didn't bother me a bit. The heads are shipped to the dealers complete, I got to see mine. It is truly a part swap level job.

That said, if someone else rotates my tires I recheck the torque. But, my life isn't on the line with a head replacement.

The problem was/has/is being taken care of, not excactly a cover up.
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A couple of guys that dont mind taking it up the ass. To each there own.
Please explain how people are taking it in the rear when Chrysler is addressing the issues? The only way your "ass claim" would hold ANY weight is if Chrysler was leaving their customers holding the ball. This isn't happening.

Either quit crying over it or sell the damned Jeep.
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Major repairs like this can be reported to Carfax. So let's say a year or two down the road you decide to sell the jeep and buy a new one... people start looking at your ride and they ask to see a Carfax on it. They notice it's been in the shop for major engine repair already. They decide to keep shopping, or at best your resale value just took a major blow. THAT is why this is a big deal. It's not about whether or not it's being covered under warranty. It's about the fact that it should have never happened to begin with.

If they road tested these things thoroughly in all conditions and all climates before selling them to the public, they could avoid this stuff. You can't blame somebody who just spent $30K on a vehicle for being pissed when it ends up in the shop for weeks and they don't even get a rental car.

Heck, mine has already been in the shop for a solid week without a rental car provided, and that wasn't even for the head issue. I'm just crossing my fingers that I don't end up having that problem too. You have to admit, we put up with a lot of shat to drive these unique 4x4s.
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Major repairs like this can be reported to Carfax. So let's say a year or two down the road you decide to sell the jeep and buy a new one... people start looking at your ride and they ask to see a Carfax on it. They notice it's been in the shop for major engine repair already. They decide to keep shopping, or at best your resale value just took a major blow. THAT is why this is a big deal. It's not about whether or not it's being covered under warranty. It's about the fact that it should have never happened to begin with.

If they road tested these things thoroughly in all conditions and all climates before selling them to the public, they could avoid this stuff. You can't blame somebody who just spent $30K on a vehicle for being pissed when it ends up in the shop for weeks and they don't even get a rental car.

Heck, mine has already been in the shop for a solid week without a rental car provided, and that wasn't even for the head issue. I'm just crossing my fingers that I don't end up having that problem too. You have to admit, we put up with a lot of shat to drive these unique 4x4s.
Why wasn't a rental provided? This is part of your agreement when you purchased.
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How can a warranty repair of a known manufacturer defect be reported to Carfax? Even if it is, I seriously doubt anyone will blink an eye at it considering how widely known the issue is now.

Also, Jeep WILL cover a rental car. It may take calling STAR, but they WILL. The dealer won't, but Jeep will. I confirmed this when mine was in the shop. They covered 11 days of rental car for me.
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How can a warranty repair of a known manufacturer defect be reported to Carfax? Even if it is, I seriously doubt anyone will blink an eye at it considering how widely known the issue is now.

Also, Jeep WILL cover a rental car. It may take calling STAR, but they WILL. The dealer won't, but Jeep will. I confirmed this when mine was in the shop. They covered 11 days of rental car for me.
It shouldn't even have to escalate to contacting STAR. The dealers shouldn't give their customers any issues when it comes to honoring the "rental" portion of the warranty. I never had to deal with ANY of these issues when I had vehicles from other manufacturers.

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