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Old 01-21-2013, 01:12 PM   #4111
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Now this engine tick??? I'm sorry but all the video posts here sound the same. It seems all these engines have a tap sound. I find myself listening g to every wrangler I walk by during the day and there are a lot here in Miami Beach. All the 2012 and 2013 sound the same to me. Never heard a perfectly quite engine yet. They all tap!
My wife's 2013 has about 1500 miles on it right now and it is quiet. I am not sure of her build date since she is at work I can't check it. But her motor is quiet. I will be keeping my eye on it.

If you were to listen to both of our JKs running next to each other you can tell a huge difference.

I really thought I just had a loud engine till I got my CEL

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Got word yesterday that the dealerships is replacing my camshaft as well, and that the added time warrants my rental time being extended.
So far I'm being treated pretty well, but I'm tired of driving a...CAR.
I was under the impression that the replacement was a head assembly, meaning that new valves, camshaft, etc was included with the new head. Can someone confirm or refute this for me?

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I was under the impression that the replacement was a head assembly, meaning that new valves, camshaft, etc was included with the new head. Can someone confirm or refute this for me?
valves are non-serviceable, so they come with the new head. The other hardware is usually swapped over from your old head. Some people get new lifters as well. Some people get all new hardware. it's hit or miss last time i was up to date.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:54 PM   #4114
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I just got mine back this evening.
-all new hardware.

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Old 01-21-2013, 08:28 PM   #4115
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I just got mine back this evening.
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How does it sound?
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mine sounds just about like the one in the video, dealer says, what i hear is the injectors??? So far i am getting no were with Jeep.
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Quiet and smooth.

I'm very pleased so far.
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Quiet and smooth.

I'm very pleased so far.
Just got a call that mine is done...dropped it off at 8 last night and done by 3 today....not too shabby
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:21 PM   #4120
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2012.... 21k+.... no CEL, no tick. I think there are many that have not experienced problems - they are simply just not following this thread.
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Well, seems about time I joined and posted up, and what better first post then in here! My name is Mike, wanted a Wrangler for a LONG time, it was a bucket list car, so I got one finally. Bought this in July, been ticking a nice audible tick since I think, about a thousand miles. Not sure of my production date, but I want to say its May/12. After reading, and reading, I decided to wait to see how all these repairs come out in the wash. It ticks louder when cold, but is very much noticeable when warm. I got annoyed with it so I decided to take it in. When I dropped it off yesterday it was at 9200 miles. No check engine light, but at a stop light I will get a stumble while its idling at times. Its a 6M. Waiting to see what they do. Since I work on BMW's for a living, for the last 15 years, the "its normal injector noise" or "no CEL, no repair" wont fly for me. Waiting to see what they do. I know its upto Chrysler what the course is and not necessarily the dealer. Its all nuts and bolts, and has a warranty, I'm not scared of it getting worked on, some of the paranoia in this thread is funny. I love this thing, and hope to keep it for a VERY long time.
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Well, seems about time I joined and posted up, and what better first post then in here! My name is Mike, wanted a Wrangler for a LONG time, it was a bucket list car, so I got one finally. Bought this in July, been ticking a nice audible tick since I think, about a thousand miles. Not sure of my production date, but I want to say its May/12. After reading, and reading, I decided to wait to see how all these repairs come out in the wash. It ticks louder when cold, but is very much noticeable when warm. I got annoyed with it so I decided to take it in. When I dropped it off yesterday it was at 9200 miles. No check engine light, but at a stop light I will get a stumble while its idling at times. Its a 6M. Waiting to see what they do. Since I work on BMW's for a living, for the last 15 years, the "its normal injector noise" or "no CEL, no repair" wont fly for me. Waiting to see what they do. I know its upto Chrysler what the course is and not necessarily the dealer. Its all nuts and bolts, and has a warranty, I'm not scared of it getting worked on, some of the paranoia in this thread is funny. I love this thing, and hope to keep it for a VERY long time.
I agree anything mechanical can be fixed to as good as new if not better. The secret is having a qualified tech do the work.
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Well, seems about time I joined and posted up, and what better first post then in here! My name is Mike, wanted a Wrangler for a LONG time, it was a bucket list car, so I got one finally. Bought this in July, been ticking a nice audible tick since I think, about a thousand miles. Not sure of my production date, but I want to say its May/12. After reading, and reading, I decided to wait to see how all these repairs come out in the wash. It ticks louder when cold, but is very much noticeable when warm. I got annoyed with it so I decided to take it in. When I dropped it off yesterday it was at 9200 miles. No check engine light, but at a stop light I will get a stumble while its idling at times. Its a 6M. Waiting to see what they do. Since I work on BMW's for a living, for the last 15 years, the "its normal injector noise" or "no CEL, no repair" wont fly for me. Waiting to see what they do. I know its upto Chrysler what the course is and not necessarily the dealer. Its all nuts and bolts, and has a warranty, I'm not scared of it getting worked on, some of the paranoia in this thread is funny. I love this thing, and hope to keep it for a VERY long time.
Welcome to the forum Mike. Hope everything works out for you. Keep us posted.
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Update. I have a new head on the drivers side with a part number ending in AC. It sounds the same on both sides now and seems that the mpg is back to normal. No more CEL. The dealer said the part was on backorder but they got it ordered and received next day. I dropped my JK off tuesday morning and got it back Wednesday after work. They changed the head and all its parts, changed the oil, and topped off all the fluids under warranty.

We will see how the long term AC head will work.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:07 PM   #4125
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Gotta get mine done. 2012 Rubi with 14K
CEL at 12K ---> Dealer (90 miles away) re-flashed.

I have reset the code myself with a handheld scanner.

Initially I'd reset it and be good for a week. Now I have to reset it nearly every day. It's a pain since the remote start won't work with a code thrown, so I can't pre-heat the Jeep on 17 degree mornings.

I'm gonna make the 90 mile drive to the dealer again.

Do I have to pay for the rental - or is it covered by Chrysler?
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:40 PM   #4126
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rentals are covered by chrysler under the warranty. Everyone has this same basic coverage.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:50 PM   #4128
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I have a 2012 JK with 19,300 miles. CEL came on. Took to dealer. After checking computer codes (misfire cylinder #6) they indicated that they needed to update the computer. After picking up my Jeep CEL came back on the next day so took back to dealer. This time as suspected they indicated needed a new cylinder head. While there is no technical service bulliten they indicated they have replaced many with the same problem and had one in stock. After 2 days in shop picked up my jeep last Thursday. Now I am experiencing much worse MPG than previously. MY commute is the same every day and I am getting about 15% less MPG than before. Reset the computer several times. I am curious if there is something that the mechanic did not calibrate or adjust after replacing the cylinder head that would cause my fuel efficiency to drop.
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I have a 2012 JK with 19,300 miles. CEL came on. Took to dealer. After checking computer codes (misfire cylinder #6) they indicated that they needed to update the computer. After picking up my Jeep CEL came back on the next day so took back to dealer. This time as suspected they indicated needed a new cylinder head. While there is no technical service bulliten they indicated they have replaced many with the same problem and had one in stock. After 2 days in shop picked up my jeep last Thursday. Now I am experiencing much worse MPG than previously. MY commute is the same every day and I am getting about 15% less MPG than before. Reset the computer several times. I am curious if there is something that the mechanic did not calibrate or adjust after replacing the cylinder head that would cause my fuel efficiency to drop.

It could be the winter gas, typically mpg drops because of winter gas, and the engine running richer longer. Give it some time and see, take the avg mpg over a few tanks of gas. Another thing is they might have disconnected the battery and the computer has to re-learn everything. They might also have run your Wrangler at idle for a long period of time to check for leaks, like I said give it some time and see. I had a van in for service because I was too lazy to do the work myself, bad move on my part. Anyway the guy working on it was idling it outside to check for leaks, forgot, and ran out of gas in tank that holds 20 gallons of gas that was 3/4 full! He was actually stupid enough to admit it! Things can happen!
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My gas keeps changing between 1-2mpg each time I fill up. That's how I know its the gas and not the engine. Right now.... Lol
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My CEL came on today. 2012 built early Dec 2011. Just rolled over 10k. Doesn't really tick, but defiantly is idling rough now. Called the dealer to ask them what to do, told them code P0304 came up. Guy had me make an appointment, but at the same time asked if I would just drop it off and get a ride to work. When I asked him how many heads they've replaced, he said maybe 1 on a JK and maybe 4-5 on Grand Cherokees. It goes in Tuesday AM, hopefully it will be as smooth as some here describe, but based on his comment of not repairing many, I'm worried.
Update: Despite some other issues with the dealer, the Jeep has come back from the dealer with the new head and all appears well. MPG is back to normal and engine sounds good. I've determined the original guy I talked to is a complete idiot, and I know not to talk to him anymore, as everyone else at the dealership was aware of the problems and admitted they've changed lots of heads on these.

So mine was a failure in cylinder 4. I haven't ready all 4000+ posts here, but seams like most people are 2 or 6.
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Update: Despite some other issues with the dealer, the Jeep has come back from the dealer with the new head and all appears well. MPG is back to normal and engine sounds good. I've determined the original guy I talked to is a complete idiot, and I know not to talk to him anymore, as everyone else at the dealership was aware of the problems and admitted they've changed lots of heads on these.

So mine was a failure in cylinder 4. I haven't ready all 4000+ posts here, but seams like most people are 2 or 6.
What's "normal" MPG for you? Would you say 1-2 below or more before change?
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Well, I got my Jeep back, no repairs. They said they heard nothing "abnormal" and I told them not to give me that "abnormal" crap. I know normal motors with hydraulic lifters have minimal drivetrain noise. They said that tick is "normal". They didn't really have an answer when I told them it didn't do it for the first couple thousand miles, and my 300C rental with a Pentastar was quiet at 16K miles........ They said Chrysler wont apparently put a head on it until its sets a CEL, or I bitch loudly. I have an AA motor as indicated by the sticker on the pass side of the head. If you listen to it, its clearly coming from the left head, right head has no noise. What to do? Deal with a ticking engine until the CEL comes on, or call Chrysler? Has anybody gone the later route?
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Thats the plan. I don't understand why they don't want to fix it, or anything else. I do the same job, I don't fix cars, I don't get paid. They also "unable to duplicate" or "normal" my A: hideous sound bar rattle (I wedged a chunk of foam between it and the hard top and its somewhat liveable) B: bluetooth dropped calls, C: trans rattle.

We had a HUGE issue with ticking in BMW's latest NA inline 6. So bad they would sound like a clattering old diesel. I loved them. Cost BMW $5800 or so per car. All because they left a $0.50 check valve out of the oil passage in the head. I was doing every one I could get my hands on. Paid 11 or so hours, took about three. They released an updated lifter and rocker for the exhaust bank that fixed it without having to do a head.

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What's "normal" MPG for you? Would you say 1-2 below or more before change?
Before the CEL came on, I was getting around 16-17 city driving with 35s and 3.5" lift. After the light came on the Jeep was reading 14-15. Now after the fix, its back up to 17. I reset it after every time I fill up.
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Thats the plan. I don't understand why they don't want to fix it, or anything else. I do the same job, I don't fix cars, I don't get paid. They also "unable to duplicate" or "normal" my A: hideous sound bar rattle (I wedged a chunk of foam between it and the hard top and its somewhat liveable) B: bluetooth dropped calls, C: trans rattle.

We had a HUGE issue with ticking in BMW's latest NA inline 6. So bad they would sound like a clattering old diesel. I loved them. Cost BMW $5800 or so per car. All because they left a $0.50 check valve out of the oil passage in the head. I was doing every one I could get my hands on. Paid 11 or so hours, took about three. They released an updated lifter and rocker for the exhaust bank that fixed it without having to do a head.

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Well, I got my Jeep back, no repairs. They said they heard nothing "abnormal" and I told them not to give me that "abnormal" crap. I know normal motors with hydraulic lifters have minimal drivetrain noise. They said that tick is "normal". They didn't really have an answer when I told them it didn't do it for the first couple thousand miles, and my 300C rental with a Pentastar was quiet at 16K miles........ They said Chrysler wont apparently put a head on it until its sets a CEL, or I bitch loudly. I have an AA motor as indicated by the sticker on the pass side of the head. If you listen to it, its clearly coming from the left head, right head has no noise. What to do? Deal with a ticking engine until the CEL comes on, or call Chrysler? Has anybody gone the later route?
Pull the plug wire and cause it to misfire
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Thats the plan. I don't understand why they don't want to fix it, or anything else. I do the same job, I don't fix cars, I don't get paid. They also "unable to duplicate" or "normal" my A: hideous sound bar rattle (I wedged a chunk of foam between it and the hard top and its somewhat liveable) B: bluetooth dropped calls, C: trans rattle.

We had a HUGE issue with ticking in BMW's latest NA inline 6. So bad they would sound like a clattering old diesel. I loved them. Cost BMW $5800 or so per car. All because they left a $0.50 check valve out of the oil passage in the head. I was doing every one I could get my hands on. Paid 11 or so hours, took about three. They released an updated lifter and rocker for the exhaust bank that fixed it without having to do a head.

BTW, this web board is freaking awesome.
your a tech you should pull the heads tap out one of the valve guides button it back up and rev the crap out of it so it gernades and call them to come and get it. just kidding of course but kind of makes you want to do that.
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