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Old 05-02-2013, 10:08 AM   #4711
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Staying tuned.

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Old 05-02-2013, 12:17 PM   #4713
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It's coming on the phone with my good source…
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Thanks for updates. I read between the lines but didn't see anything. LOL
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Thanks for updates. I read between the lines but didn't see anything. LOL
Think about it, please read carefully. Are you near Crested Butte?
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Think about it, please read carefully. Are you near Crested Butte?
I read between the lines and don't live near Crested Butte, now what?
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:30 PM   #4719
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Did I miss something? I was expecting some definitive information from some authority on the subject...
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Did I miss something? I was expecting some definitive information from some authority on the subject...
Good luck with that, I can't get answers either!
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:21 PM   #4722
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Still don't get what you're trying to tell us.
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Still don't get what you're trying to tell us.
there is a hell of a lot of heads being replaced so probably don't have the resources/parts/$$ to do a recall.
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there is a hell of a lot of heads being replaced so probably don't have the resources/parts/$$ to do a recall.
Well it seems the wait time for heads (based on member input in this thread) has gone from weeks to just a few days. Some dealers even keep heads in stock? That tells me the head shortage is shrinking.

No I am not in Crested Butte. I was expecting some ground breaking news.
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Well it seems the wait time for heads (based on member input in this thread) has gone from weeks to just a few days. Some dealers even keep heads in stock? That tells me the head shortage is shrinking.

No I am not in Crested Butte. I was expecting some ground breaking news.
What would you like to know?
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What would you like to know?
Oh I don't know. Maybe some definitive information from an authority on the subject, telling us something we don't already know?
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Ad 2) Not sure about your line "left side heads are not having problem" ? Isnt that the drivers side aka just the one, that is having problem? Or are you just trying to say, that AC design is ok in your opinion?
Btw, its kinda misleading speaking about the number RL141353AC since you see this number only if you order the head separately. If its on the car, all you can see is Julian date and some other part number, which obviously does not change.
Also, as I have written before, I have 2013 model, made September/October 2012 which, according to my dealer already had the new head design and I still got the same failure as the older models. I therefore can not agree to your conclusions that AC design remedies all...

Ad 3) How would they do that? redesign or change in processing?
Ad 4) Would be really happy to hear some more infor about this. One way or another, you are the one that sees the old and new heads, can you tell any difference visually?

Apart from that, one persisting question: What exactly are/represent the 16B, 19A etc. numbers?

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Oh I don't know. Maybe some definitive information from an authority on the subject, telling us something we don't already know?
you will never get that on a forum open to the public. Only factory engineers and insiders and even some of them really don't know all the facts and the ones that do do not post of forums like this.
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you will never get that on a forum open to the public. Only factory engineers and insiders and even some of them really don't know all the facts and the ones that do do not post of forums like this.
True, the only way for the public to know is when there are no more reported head problems. From what I can tell the problem has spilled over to 2013. The wildcard is do these problem 2013's really have an AC head? The jury is still out on that because we really don't know for sure. We also don't know for sure if the AC head is the fix or not. Keep in mind there are people driving around who were lead to believe the AB head was the fix. Early 2012 owners with the problem got AA head thinking that was the fix, many are having the head replaced again.
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you will never get that on a forum open to the public. Only factory engineers and insiders and even some of them really don't know all the facts and the ones that do do not post of forums like this.
Statements like "It's coming on the phone with my good source…" and
It's here! more head info, please read carefully.
could lead lead some members to think this person might have an inside source or was privy to info the rest of us weren't.
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Statements like "It's coming on the phone with my good source…" and
It's here! more head info, please read carefully.
could lead lead some members to think this person might have an inside source or was privy to info the rest of us weren't.
Kind of like the "check is in the mail" from a shyster and having a political canidate tell you they are telling the "honest truth" or the president saying "I did not have sex with that woman". "It's coming on the phone with my good source…" carries about the same level of value LOL.
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First AC design gone bad? Hope this is just an aberration.

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Ad 2) Not sure about your line "left side heads are not having problem" ? Isnt that the drivers side aka just the one, that is having problem? Or are you just trying to say, that AC design is ok in your opinion?
Btw, its kinda misleading speaking about the number RL141353AC since you see this number only if you order the head separately. If its on the car, all you can see is Julian date and some other part number, which obviously does not change.
Also, as I have written before, I have 2013 model, made September/October 2012 which, according to my dealer already had the new head design and I still got the same failure as the older models. I therefore can not agree to your conclusions that AC design remedies all...

Ad 3) How would they do that? redesign or change in processing?
Ad 4) Would be really happy to hear some more infor about this. One way or another, you are the one that sees the old and new heads, can you tell any difference visually?

Apart from that, one persisting question: What exactly are/represent the 16B, 19A etc. numbers?
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Kind of like the "check is in the mail" from a shyster and having a political canidate tell you they are telling the "honest truth" or the president saying "I did not have sex with that woman". "It's coming on the phone with my good source…" carries about the same level of value LOL.
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True, the only way for the public to know is when there are no more reported head problems. From what I can tell the problem has spilled over to 2013. The wildcard is do these problem 2013's really have an AC head? The jury is still out on that because we really don't know for sure. We also don't know for sure if the AC head is the fix or not. Keep in mind there are people driving around who were lead to believe the AB head was the fix. Early 2012 owners with the problem got AA head thinking that was the fix, many are having the head replaced again.
If the AC head fails on my '13 I will be very disappointed. I really have enjoyed it, but would probably sell it if that happened and they were just going to replace it with another AC head. Again, though, I sure hope that doesn't happen!
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If the AC head fails on my '13 I will be very disappointed. I really have enjoyed it, but would probably sell it if that happened and they were just going to replace it with another AC head. Again, though, I sure hope that doesn't happen!

Wouldn't it be nice to know for sure? Not educated guesses but to know for sure if they really have the fix?
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It sure would!! I guess on the positive side, Wranglers don't depreciate nearly as fast as many vehicles. Could trade it in after a few years without taking much of a hit. I will just enjoy my Jeep in the meantime and hope things go well.
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It sure would!! I guess on the positive side, Wranglers don't depreciate nearly as fast as many vehicles. Could trade it in after a few years without taking much of a hit. I will just enjoy my Jeep in the meantime and hope things go well.
Exactly! Enjoy our jeeps and now we have 5/50 and can revisit this at a future date.
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5/50? Mines 5/100k powertrain.
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Yes you're correct !
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Also, as I have written before, I have 2013 model, made September/October 2012 which, according to my dealer already had the new head design and I still got the same failure as the older models. I therefore can not agree to your conclusions that AC design remedies all...
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Wasn't your head problem a stuck intake valve? I seem to remember reading that from one of your posts. If that is the case then you do not have the same problem as the rest of us. The problem that the rest of us are encountering is bad exhaust valve seats and that's causing the ticking and subsequent CEL to come on.

Please confirm....

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