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Old 05-31-2013, 02:03 PM   #4951
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Ok so I dropped off my 2012 Rubicon first thing Tuesday, 5/28/13, for a scheduled cylinder head replacement. It is now Friday, 5/31/13 and I just got off the phone with them to say he should be taking it out for a test drive soon. Does it take this long usually? Does anyone know what Jeep gives for a time for Cylinder head replacement? I know it sounds like I'm complaining, which I am a little, but I'm curious.
I've seen it take anyway from 4 hours to several days. I think Chrysler pays out 8 hours of labor, but it should really be around 12.

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Hey guys, I am new to this thread... I haven't been following it much since I have a '13. Are there members out there who are having head issues/replacements on the 2013's???

A few days ago mine started running very rough and threw these codes: P0300 random/multiple cyl misfire, P000C Manufacturer defined (camshaft position slow response I think), and P0019 Crankshaft-camshaft position correlation. My heads have an early 2013 build date. Ever since I got my Jeep in March, I felt that it sometimes had a slightly rough idle. It is at the dealer and I think they have been having a tough time diagnosing it. Anyone with a similar situation?

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Check few pages back, you will find some 2013 examples, like me for instance. They just finished changing left head (P0306) and immediately i had to return it for the right one too (with P0305 code)...
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Hey guys, I am new to this thread... I haven't been following it much since I have a '13. Are there members out there who are having head issues/replacements on the 2013's???

A few days ago mine started running very rough and threw these codes: P0300 random/multiple cyl misfire, P000C Manufacturer defined (camshaft position slow response I think), and P0019 Crankshaft-camshaft position correlation. My heads have an early 2013 build date. Ever since I got my Jeep in March, I felt that it sometimes had a slightly rough idle. It is at the dealer and I think they have been having a tough time diagnosing it. Anyone with a similar situation?
The question is do you have an AB or AC head? I think there were some early 2013's with the AB head, contrary to popular belief. It would be interesting to know if you have an AC head or not. If you have an AC head then I'm pretty sure they still haven't fixed this issue.
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:35 PM   #4955
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Hey guys, I am new to this thread... I haven't been following it much since I have a '13. Are there members out there who are having head issues/replacements on the 2013's???

A few days ago mine started running very rough and threw these codes: P0300 random/multiple cyl misfire, P000C Manufacturer defined (camshaft position slow response I think), and P0019 Crankshaft-camshaft position correlation. My heads have an early 2013 build date. Ever since I got my Jeep in March, I felt that it sometimes had a slightly rough idle. It is at the dealer and I think they have been having a tough time diagnosing it. Anyone with a similar situation?
What month was your Wrangler manufactured? Was it an early '13?
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Old 06-01-2013, 10:06 PM   #4956
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What month was your Wrangler manufactured? Was it an early '13?
It was manufactured in mid to late February 2013 since the date on the drivers side head is mid February. I am guessing it is an AC head since they started producing those earlier than mine was made. Are my codes common or telltale with the bad heads? Thanks
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Old 06-01-2013, 11:15 PM   #4957
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It was manufactured in mid to late February 2013 since the date on the drivers side head is mid February. I am guessing it is an AC head since they started producing those earlier than mine was made. Are my codes common or telltale with the bad heads? Thanks
Well if it is in fact an AC head then the AC head wasn't the fix, and that really sucks! I was hoping that there were some early 2013's with heads of AB vintage. I think Chrysler is a few months ahead in engine production since the last thing they'd want to do is halt an assembly line because they ran out of engines. Just for the heck of it if you have time confirm that you have an AC head.
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You know, I wouldn't care if the AC head wasn't the fix, provided they eventually did come up with one. If the AC isn't, I hope they find the permanent fix.
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Got the wife's jeep back from the #2 misfire fix,(new head) on the 23rd. Just drove it around town, everything seemed fine. took it for a short trip this afternoon, with the top off, went to pass a truck, an it stuck, WOT...got it shut down, brakes smoking and on the side of a steep ditch...it's been towed back to the dealer.

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Got the wife's jeep back from the #2 misfire fix,(new head) on the 23rd. Just drove it around town, everything seemed fine. took it for a short trip this afternoon, with the top off, went to pass a truck, an it stuck, WOT...got it shut down, brakes smoking and on the side of a steep ditch...it's been towed back to the dealer.

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Yikes! Sorry. No.
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Ya know, at this point it begins to sound like the head is the symptom, not the problem. Issue lies some where else.
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I've seen it take anyway from 4 hours to several days. I think Chrysler pays out 8 hours of labor, but it should really be around 12.
Mine took 19 days...but that was last June. I think the head was on backorder...
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:27 AM   #4963
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No new codes, service manager worked this one himself...bottom line, we aren't sure what happened, but, there is a about an inch long spot on the floor mat (the tire tread ones) from contact with the accelerator pedal. Neither of us could make the pedal hang up, but it's about the only explanation that fits.....Jeeze do I feel like an idiot!
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You know, I wouldn't care if the AC head wasn't the fix, provided they eventually did come up with one. If the AC isn't, I hope they find the permanent fix.
After having both heads changed, i cant really share your attitude:-) Knowing Chrysler does not have the cure and the heads will fail again and I just dont know when makes me a bit nervous. It also does not help me to build trust in my car or the Jeep brand for that matter.

As i see it, Chrysler tried 3 times to redesign the head with no success. Knowing the corporate environment a bit I assume that they acknowledged, that the problem has deep roots in the design of the engine itself and cant be cured w/o major redesign. Based on finacial calculations however, it would bankrupt Chrysler, if they recall all the hundrends thousands of the cars they equiped with this engine by now. So they decided it would be cheaper for them, just to swap the heads on the cars that are still under warranty and wait as their warranty period passes. After that it will become customers problem only and not Chyslers anymore...
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Chrysler really does suck and while I have had no issues with my 2013 jku I have 0 faith in the brand. I swore after my last Dodge (new 1998 durango) I would never own another chrysler product. I have been toying with getting a new Rubicon but there is no way at this point I will do that.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:10 AM   #4966
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Chrysler really does suck and while I have had no issues with my 2013 jku I have 0 faith in the brand. I swore after my last Dodge (new 1998 durango) I would never own another chrysler product. I have been toying with getting a new Rubicon but there is no way at this point I will do that.
I take a different approach. My 2012 jeep Rubicon 2-door has been trouble free, and if something happens with the head issue, Jeep will make repairs and I will be on my way. Enjoying your Jeep while drinking from a "half full" cup is always better than drinking from one that is "half empty".

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I take a different approach. My 2012 jeep Rubicon 2-door has been trouble free, and if something happens with the head issue, Jeep will make repairs and I will be on my way. Enjoying your Jeep while drinking from a "half full" cup is always better than drinking from one that is "half empty".

Love my Rubicon!
I am enjoying the heck out of my wrangler. I am just not going to take a chance on trading it in and getting a new Rubicon in case I am not as lucky this time.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:14 PM   #4969
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Maybe you've discovered a telltale sign indicating a bad head. The temp gauge showing the needle past the halfway point may be a sign of an overheating problem. My '12 JKU runs cooler like your new head and I've not had the head problem (yet) at 9,100 miles. Just a thought.
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Maybe you've discovered a telltale sign indicating a bad head. The temp gauge showing the needle past the halfway point may be a sign of an overheating problem. My '12 JKU runs cooler like your new head and I've not had the head problem (yet) at 9,100 miles. Just a thought.
My head was replaced at 27,000 miles approximately.
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After having both heads changed, i cant really share your attitude:-) Knowing Chrysler does not have the cure and the heads will fail again and I just dont know when makes me a bit nervous. It also does not help me to build trust in my car or the Jeep brand for that matter.

As i see it, Chrysler tried 3 times to redesign the head with no success. Knowing the corporate environment a bit I assume that they acknowledged, that the problem has deep roots in the design of the engine itself and cant be cured w/o major redesign. Based on finacial calculations however, it would bankrupt Chrysler, if they recall all the hundrends thousands of the cars they equiped with this engine by now. So they decided it would be cheaper for them, just to swap the heads on the cars that are still under warranty and wait as their warranty period passes. After that it will become customers problem only and not Chyslers anymore...
My only point was that if the AC head isn't the fix and Chrysler is calling it "good" that would be extremely frustrating. I am sorry you had to go through that aggravation of having your AC head fail. I hate to say it, but if more AC heads start failing I may trade in my 13 for a low mileage 2003 or 2004 4.0 or a different vehicle entirely. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, though. I have had no problems with my Sport thus far, but one would think for the amount of money these things cost that we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:32 PM   #4972
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Well my 2012 jkur finally threw a p0302 code this evening with about 23,500 miles. Calling the dealer in the morning. Not gonna let them do the BS ecu flash and code clearing. They can either fix it or ill resort to more drastic measures like getting a new vehicle haha.
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Here is an update on my situation. I have my 2013 back and it seems to be running well although I feel a slight rough idle occasionally. The dealer went through quite a bit of diagnosis and opened a Star case with Chrysler. The mechanic is a fellow Jeeper and very sharp. They replaced both cam phasers, cam gear and both camshafts on the left head. They found flat spots on the camshafts which they have never seen before. Has anyone heard of this before? I am keeping my fingers crossed. Only around 2500 miles. Demarpaint, I did not have a chance to confirm if they are AC heads but they must be since they were made in February of 2013.
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After having both heads changed, i cant really share your attitude:-) Knowing Chrysler does not have the cure and the heads will fail again and I just dont know when makes me a bit nervous. It also does not help me to build trust in my car or the Jeep brand for that matter.

As i see it, Chrysler tried 3 times to redesign the head with no success. Knowing the corporate environment a bit I assume that they acknowledged, that the problem has deep roots in the design of the engine itself and cant be cured w/o major redesign. Based on finacial calculations however, it would bankrupt Chrysler, if they recall all the hundrends thousands of the cars they equiped with this engine by now. So they decided it would be cheaper for them, just to swap the heads on the cars that are still under warranty and wait as their warranty period passes. After that it will become customers problem only and not Chyslers anymore...
I suspect at some point there could be a class action lawsuit coming out of this that will force Chrysler to either extend the warranty and/or offer monetary compensation for owners of select model years.
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My head was replaced at 27,000 miles approximately.
Was your temp gauge needle past the halfway mark?
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After having both heads changed, i cant really share your attitude:-) Knowing Chrysler does not have the cure and the heads will fail again and I just dont know when makes me a bit nervous. It also does not help me to build trust in my car or the Jeep brand for that matter.

As i see it, Chrysler tried 3 times to redesign the head with no success. Knowing the corporate environment a bit I assume that they acknowledged, that the problem has deep roots in the design of the engine itself and cant be cured w/o major redesign. Based on finacial calculations however, it would bankrupt Chrysler, if they recall all the hundrends thousands of the cars they equiped with this engine by now. So they decided it would be cheaper for them, just to swap the heads on the cars that are still under warranty and wait as their warranty period passes. After that it will become customers problem only and not Chyslers anymore...
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This is my fear since mine is used on weekends only. I have less than 4,000 miles on it after a little over a year. The 5 year mark will end my warrany before the mileage is high enough for the head to go bad.

I too do not trust Fiat Chrylers quality. You can get a good product from them but the odds of getting a defective one is higher than others. Plus many just write off issues as a Jeep thing and fix them on their own or live with them. When this happens (plus a high amount of sales) Fiat Chrysler has no incentive to do better.
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Was your temp gauge needle past the halfway mark?
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I took my 2012 JKUR in with a MIL and p0302 code. The dealership ordered the head and now, 2weeks later, hey called to say that the head still hasn't arrived nd they are waiting on 3 others. Funny thing though, when I drive my jeep the MIL clears after a few starts and stays off.......but every time my wife borrows it to run an errand, the MIL is back on when I get in to go to work the next day. It is a manual transmission.....is she doing something different than I am to bring in the misfire code?
Seems strange.
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I took my 2012 JKUR in with a MIL and p0302 code. The dealership ordered the head and now, 2weeks later, hey called to say that the head still hasn't arrived nd they are waiting on 3 others. Funny thing though, when I drive my jeep the MIL clears after a few starts and stays off.......but every time my wife borrows it to run an errand, the MIL is back on when I get in to go to work the next day. It is a manual transmission.....is she doing something different than I am to bring in the misfire code?
Seems strange.
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This is my fear since mine is used on weekends only. I have less than 4,000 miles on it after a little over a year. The 5 year mark will end my warrany before the mileage is high enough for the head to go bad.

I too do not trust Fiat Chrylers quality. You can get a good product from them but the odds of getting a defective one is higher than others. Plus many just write off issues as a Jeep thing and fix them on their own or live with them. When this happens (plus a high amount of sales) Fiat Chrysler has no incentive to do better.
Usually true. It's generally all about profits. Unless a product starts selling poorly, manufacturers typically tend to not worry about defects unless forced to by a lawsuit or the government.

With the 3.6L now in the Ram along with so many other Chrysler products, will Chrysler pay more attention?

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