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Old 06-17-2012, 11:09 AM   #1261
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Guys, the problems I had with a Jeep as a daily driver were mainly the lack of space for passengers and cargo and the lack of security for anything that I might have carried.
Yeppers. A 4 door hardtop has more space in it but still surprisingly little space compared to the external volume that it takes up. Frankly, I agree with Consumer Reports here -- a Jeep Wrangler is simply a terrible car. It's low steering, loud wind noise on the highway, awkward-handling due to the soft suspension, gas guzzling, rough riding (due to the hobby horse effect of the short wheelbase and the solid axles), ridiculously cramped and uncomfortable interior compared to modern car-based SUV's, and (until this year) ludicrously slow. It's also the best street-legal 4-wheel vehicle sold in America for offroading. I daily drive my Wrangler (with a hardtop, though I tried the soft top for a while), but if I didn't offroad I'd have laughed at the thought of buying a Wrangler -- I've owned Wranglers since 2006 and well knew what I was getting into.

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Old 06-17-2012, 09:35 PM   #1263
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Quick addition to the pile. Mine was built in 8/2011; 18,800 miles. Just got the CEL a couple nights ago. Misfire #2. Dealer says he has seen the head issue, mostly on rental cars they service, but there was no arguing with me. Said he would talk to his manager and get a head ordered on Monday. Called me today to say it was ordered, no estimated time though.

He says I can drive it, not bad until the CEL is blinking.
This is great... the cylinder head should be in sometime this coming week, and the CEL light just went out tonight. Of course I'm not excited about this cause I still have a tick, and I still think it sounds bad... but don't know what issues this will cause at the dealer when they call me to bring it in.

I've still been driving it as I don't get a rental... probably put 300-400 miles on it in the last 9 days since the CEL came on.
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Ok so tonight still no CEL, so I plugged my basic code reader in. Still gives me the #2 misfire code. Is that just "history" and not current, or did the light just decide to go out? BTW, the light does come on when starting the Jeep, and the code reader says MIL not on...

My cylinder head is in. Now they are waiting on a bolt kit, which is on back order, no ship date available.
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:57 PM   #1265
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Ok I will include myself now with a ticking noise. More on the Passenger side. Mine is a 2012 JKU w 1000 Miles. Do I take it in or wait for the light to come one My build date is 4/12
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Ok I will include myself now with a ticking noise. More on the Passenger side. Mine is a 2012 JKU w 1000 Miles. Do I take it in or wait for the light to come one My build date is 4/12
Bring it in if you're concerned.

I'm really not worried about the whole ticking issue. I have a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty on it. If something happens, it happens. I'm not gonna get myself all upset over it.
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Planning on a 900 mile trip So I am little concerned about it
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Old 06-20-2012, 09:09 PM   #1268
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Bring it in if you're concerned.

I'm really not worried about the whole ticking issue. I have a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty on it. If something happens, it happens. I'm not gonna get myself all upset over it.
^ exactly! I have 10k and change on my jeep. It's been ticking since 4k miles. Took it in and dealer said it was injectors. Def not injectors, but it's documented that I brought it in for a tick, and it's covered for 100k! No codes coming up at all and it feels strong as ever. No worries here
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Planning on a 900 mile trip So I am little concerned about it
So bring it in!
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^ exactly! I have 10k and change on my jeep. It's been ticking since 4k miles. Took it in and dealer said it was injectors. Def not injectors, but it's documented that I brought it in for a tick, and it's covered for 100k! No codes coming up at all and it feels strong as ever. No worries here
Engines are just noisy. Sure, there's certainly something to be said about issues such as tapping valves, but I guess a little tick isn't gonna bother me. If it's some big tick and clearly an issue, then it may be a cause for concern.

The Pentastar is in over 1.5 million vehicles. If the ticking is an issue, I have a very hard time believing it's only happening in Wranglers. A Pentastar is a Pentastar is a Pentastar. I'm yet to hear anything or read anything in relation to issues with engine failures in Chargers, Challengers, Grand Cherokees, 200s, 300s, and whatever else the Pentastar is under the hood of.

While we're on the subject of the tick, there are a ton of JKs on the road and I pull up next to them or pass them every single day, whether I'm in my Jeep, Camaro, or my wife's Forester. I am ALWAYS listening for the dreaded tick, and thus far, I haven't heard it a single time.
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Old 06-20-2012, 09:58 PM   #1271
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dealers won't do jack shit about it, even a my dad's best friend owns a dealership and he said his hands are tied. Trading it in on a optmia.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:09 PM   #1272
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dealers won't do jack shit about it, even a my dad's best friend owns a dealership and he said his hands are tied. Trading it in on a optmia.
You mean his hands are tied until the CEL light comes on (because of misfire, usually #2)?? Cause it does seem that once that happens, the dealer will replace the head (although I know sometimes it takes a while to get to that point for some people).
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You mean his hands are tied until the CEL light comes on (because of misfire, usually #2)?? Cause it does seem that once that happens, the dealer will replace the head (although I know sometimes it takes a while to get to that point for some people).

correct but it is getting worst, mpg is suffering and I notice power lost. Plus I don't drive it like I though I would (not a dd) I don't go to the beach with it and don't go to the mountains either.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:20 PM   #1274
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I wasn't sure I'd like the Jeep as a DD either but I love it. These new Jeeps drive just like cars anymore. What didn't you like about it? Mine drives like a dream and my commute is 26 miles each way. I'm pulling 20-22mpg as well on my daily commute which is right around what my Mustang got that I traded for it. I'm very happy with mine.
What speeds you traveling at? I am 55 average getting 19 mpg. I only have 900 on mine.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:36 PM   #1275
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correct but it is getting worst, mpg is suffering and I notice power lost. Plus I don't drive it like I though I would (not a dd) I don't go to the beach with it and don't go to the mountains either.
Yeah that's the weird part about mine. I've had the CEL for almost 2 weeks now, and my MPG don't seem to be going down (according to the computer getting around 19 MPG). I do drive a bit of stop and go in rush hour, but 70-75 when I can.
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:24 AM   #1276
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dealers won't do jack shit about it, even a my dad's best friend owns a dealership and he said his hands are tied. Trading it in on a optmia.

You think the JK has issues. Wait till you join the Optima forums. Nasty problems with steering and rough running engines. The clunky steering is the worst complaint, and it's a engineering problem, not a manufacturing problem. Hope you get a good one.
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You think the JK has issues. Wait till you join the Optima forums. Nasty problems with steering and rough running engines. The clunky steering is the worst complaint, and it's a engineering problem, not a manufacturing problem. Hope you get a good one.
Not to bash the guy who wants to get a KIA, but good luck with that. I don't care how good Consumer Reports thinks they are, there's no way in Hell anyone should buy a Hyundai/KIA. Personally, the ONLY times I've driven KIAs were as rental cars and we've returned them at the first opportunities we've gotten.

Yeah, in upgraded trim levels the Optima is one sweet lookin' car...too damned bad it's a KIA. It's the quintessential "polished turd."

Every vehicle has issues. Go to any forum for any manufacturer and you're going to hear tons of stories that would have you staying away from every one of them. By the time you finish reading them all, you'll probably say, "Screw this, I'm buyin' a bicycle."

Anyway, it's America and it's his right to buy a KIA. Let's wish him all the luck in the world, as he'll need it.
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This thread has turned very interesting.
The honesty is refreshing in the scope of internet forums where the common response is usually along the lines of "man up".

Good Luck Tomster and DJstorm100.

I do wonder if the idea of owning a Wrangler is bit more exciting than the actuality of owning one for a lot of people (myself included). In my mind, it is top down adventures with bikini clad chicks. But the reality could be that I will drive it to work to same way I drive my Liberty...and on nice days, it would simply replace my motorcycle.

Back on topic.....I wonder if the forum is making the problem sound more serious than it is. How many people in this thread have a ticking problem vs how any Jeeps are out there. (Then again, some people may have a tick an not know it).
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Old 06-21-2012, 07:29 AM   #1279
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This thread has turned very interesting.
The honesty is refreshing in the scope of internet forums where the common response is usually along the lines of "man up".

Good Luck Tomster and DJstorm100.

I do wonder if the idea of owning a Wrangler is bit more exciting than the actuality of owning one for a lot of people (myself included). In my mind, it is top down adventures with bikini clad chicks. But the reality could be that I will drive it to work to same way I drive my Liberty...and on nice days, it would simply replace my motorcycle.

Back on topic.....I wonder if the forum is making the problem sound more serious than it is. How many people in this thread have a ticking problem vs how any Jeeps are out there. (Then again, some people may have a tick an not know it).
I hear ya about all those daydreams. One time I had this dream I was in my Camaro and "Cowboy" by Kid Rock was playing on the radio (I hate Kid Rock...) and I was cruising this road with a wide, grassy median strip. There were tons of chicks in black lace panties on the median strip sunbathing and rollerskating down the road; some of them were hanging on to the back of the Camaro.

Yeah, kinda sucked to wake up from that one...
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Engines are just noisy. Sure, there's certainly something to be said about issues such as tapping valves, but I guess a little tick isn't gonna bother me. If it's some big tick and clearly an issue, then it may be a cause for concern.

The Pentastar is in over 1.5 million vehicles. If the ticking is an issue, I have a very hard time believing it's only happening in Wranglers. A Pentastar is a Pentastar is a Pentastar. I'm yet to hear anything or read anything in relation to issues with engine failures in Chargers, Challengers, Grand Cherokees, 200s, 300s, and whatever else the Pentastar is under the hood of.

While we're on the subject of the tick, there are a ton of JKs on the road and I pull up next to them or pass them every single day, whether I'm in my Jeep, Camaro, or my wife's Forester. I am ALWAYS listening for the dreaded tick, and thus far, I haven't heard it a single time.


Just had left head replaced for ticking in my 2012 Cherokee.
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This thread has turned very interesting.
The honesty is refreshing in the scope of internet forums where the common response is usually along the lines of "man up".

Good Luck Tomster and DJstorm100.

I do wonder if the idea of owning a Wrangler is bit more exciting than the actuality of owning one for a lot of people (myself included). In my mind, it is top down adventures with bikini clad chicks. But the reality could be that I will drive it to work to same way I drive my Liberty...and on nice days, it would simply replace my motorcycle.

Back on topic.....I wonder if the forum is making the problem sound more serious than it is. How many people in this thread have a ticking problem vs how any Jeeps are out there. (Then again, some people may have a tick an not know it).
Thanks for the good luck wish, Panther.

No one is bumping my post back to the top where I included a poll to help get a feel for how common the head problem is. At last count, 18 out of 154 people had a CONFIRMED head problem and many more people had what they believed to be the ticking problem that seems to be indicative of an impending head problem.

I am sticking around this forum to follow the head problem, even though I no longer have a stake after trading my Jeep. I still consider you guys to be friends of mine and for your sakes I hope I over-reacted and the percentage of Jeeps with the problem is being grossly exaggerated by a non-representative sampling. I want to hang around to see how this goes.

I'll bump the post with the poll back to the top. The more responses to the poll, the more accurate it will be. I'm sure we will never get anything close to a truly accurate estimate of the percentage of Jeeps with the problem no matter how many people respond but it is still of some value, I think.

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Old 06-21-2012, 11:11 PM   #1282
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Sometimes I freak myself out and think I hear it. There is definitely a tick. But I mean it's got so long to go before the warranty is out ... why would I worry about that? Runs great and I LOVE MY JEEP.
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand why ANYONE would trade in a WARRANTIED Wrangler for a ticking noise/head problem. It just doesn't make sense to me at all. First of all it's WARRANTIED for 100K!!! They will fix it if it happens to you AND they will fix it AGAIN if it happens again! If you are truly a Wrangler fan, this is not going to make you trade your Wrangler in. My plan is to drive it, even with the tick I have present. It has been documented twice at my dealer. Then, if it throws a code, have it (head replaced) fixed! If it happens again, I still wouldn't sell. I'd start to save for my HEMI swap! I hope this isn't read as offensive to the OP who got rid of his Wrangler. I just don't get it at all. It seems like a FREE, fixable issue for an awesome vehicle like a Wrangler!
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand why ANYONE would trade in a WARRANTIED Wrangler for a ticking noise/head problem. It just doesn't make sense to me at all. First of all it's WARRANTIED for 100K!!! They will fix it if it happens to you AND they will fix it AGAIN if it happens again! If you are truly a Wrangler fan, this is not going to make you trade your Wrangler in. My plan is to drive it, even with the tick I have present. It has been documented twice at my dealer. Then, if it throws a code, have it (head replaced) fixed! If it happens again, I still wouldn't sell. I'd start to save for my HEMI swap! I hope this isn't read as offensive to the OP who got rid of his Wrangler. I just don't get it at all. It seems like a FREE, fixable issue for an awesome vehicle like a Wrangler!
I think some people are just so disgusted at spending that kind of $ on a vehicle with a potential major issue that they don't care about the warranty. They just don't want to drive around something with a constant ticking reminding them that something isn't quite right.

I dunno. I'm pretty easy going. I think I hear a tick but I don't really care. It's a long time before that tick is going to be my problem, and if it lasts 100k or 5 years it's probably not an issue. I'll probably trade it in five years from now with 80k on it and the same light ticking noise.
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Yeppers. A 4 door hardtop has more space in it but still surprisingly little space compared to the external volume that it takes up. Frankly, I agree with Consumer Reports here -- a Jeep Wrangler is simply a terrible car. It's low steering, loud wind noise on the highway, awkward-handling due to the soft suspension, gas guzzling, rough riding (due to the hobby horse effect of the short wheelbase and the solid axles), ridiculously cramped and uncomfortable interior compared to modern car-based SUV's, and (until this year) ludicrously slow. It's also the best street-legal 4-wheel vehicle sold in America for offroading. I daily drive my Wrangler (with a hardtop, though I tried the soft top for a while), but if I didn't offroad I'd have laughed at the thought of buying a Wrangler -- I've owned Wranglers since 2006 and well knew what I was getting into.
The key is to own a couple of regular cab pickups before you get into a Wrangler. My JK has the interior space of a Suburban compared to a regular cab pickup.

Oh, and turning around a 2 door JK on a trail compared to a pickup with a 119" wheelbase? Sublime. Positively sublime.
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I have a 2012 JKU Rubicon born on 8/11. I have just over 7,000 miles and no ticking and no issues. (knock on wood). I wonder if my jeep is safe or if i could still have the ticking issue up to a certain number of miles?
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All I can say on the ticking issue is that if a problem arises, I'll have it fixed. If it continues to be an issue that pops up again after being fixed, then I'm going to trade the vehicle in within the next five years and get another one. I think it'd be safe to assume that five years from now any bugs will be worked out.
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Is the tick something you can definitely hear while driving, with windows closed? Or just when idling?
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I actually have the issue, but I'll never get rid of my Jeep, I've waited far too long to finally be able to get one, and I love it. I do, however, understand why some people would. It wasn't easy to get past how much $$ I spent on a brand new Jeep, only to discover engine problems 4 months later.

I will say that having The Tick(which is just getting louder) and waiting for my Jeep to throw a code and/or CEL is pretty frustrating and annoying. But what's even worse, and what I'll never be able to reconcile in my head, is the dealership (and Chrysler) confirming it, saying it will get worse, and sending me on my way with an engine problem and doing nothing about it. That, and that fact that it is only 6 months old with 5k miles.

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I picked up my jeep yesterday from getting a head replacement. I had to take it in 3 times before they ordered the head I wouldnt take this is normal for a answer. It never threw a code not sure why everyone has to wait for a code? I just told them it wasn't normal and requested them to do a leak down check and lifter bore measurement and they found the lifter bore was out of spec and ordered me a head. Drove around yesterday the tick is gone and seems to have a little more power than it used to and my mpg have increased. I would advise people to forward a link to this thread to their service manager and mabe inlcude some youtube videos of their engine sound and some vidoes of a jeep that has a head replaced and maybe ask them to start up a 2012 on the lot and show them the tick is not normal

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