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Old 08-02-2012, 12:59 PM   #1681
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Created a quick video of before and after. There is definitely a difference. I even moved in closer on the after, and you can't hear that tick tick tick tick...

Okay, on the phone, unnoticeable, but in earphones, damn thing goes from a singer to a suppressed smg

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Old 08-02-2012, 01:35 PM   #1682
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Only annoyance so far, it looks like all my ProCal changes got reset. 4th to 5th shift is about 3-4 mph off.

I'll have to check if they increased my tire pressure cause I don't have the tpms light on but my tires were at 30.

Not a huge deal. The ProCal is easy to set things with. Does it make sense that this would happen?

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Old 08-02-2012, 01:41 PM   #1683
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My question as well. I nearly pulled the trigger on a '12, but decided against it due to this problem. Hoping the '13's have it fixed.
Me too, I have a feeling the early 13's are going to have a similar problem. There was word there are problems with the new head as well. We'll know in about a month or so.
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Created a quick video of before and after. There is definitely a difference. I even moved in closer on the after, and you can't hear that tick tick tick tick...

Thanks for the info ndrugby
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Me too, I have a feeling the early 13's are going to have a similar problem. There was word there are problems with the new head as well. We'll know in about a month or so.
Thats how is sounds to me as well. Looks like my 04 Tahoe will be around for at least another 6 months.
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That would absolutely suck if they roll out 2013's with these same issues! If so, my next Jeep will be an LJ!
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Old 08-02-2012, 05:34 PM   #1687
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I went into my dealer today and had them listen. I have 1,800 miles and a loud tick. The service manager tried to play dumb at first, but with the information i learned from this thread I got him to open up.

He gave me the usual "heads are on back order for months". I told him about long roadtrips that I take, and that I did not want to be out and get a CEL.

He took it back and had a tech listen to it. When he came back he said that the tech expected me to throw a code soon, and told me to bring it back then so I could get on the wait list for a new head.

I asked him if they would give me a loaner after the CEL came on, and he said not without the extended warranty being purchased from them. Naturally, I asked if they won't give me a loaner, and if I can't get on the waiting list for a new head without the CEL and there's a two-month wait... Am I supposed to plan for going months without a vehicle?

What he said was that many customers are driving around with the CEL, and that the misfires only happen intermittently. Driving around with the CEL on for months doesn't sound like a good idea to me. If it truly would be fine though, then I'll stop worrying about the ticking problem.
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I went into my dealer today and had them listen. I have 1,800 miles and a loud tick. The service manager tried to play dumb at first, but with the information i learned from this thread I got him to open up.

He gave me the usual "heads are on back order for months". I told him about long roadtrips that I take, and that I did not want to be out and get a CEL.

He took it back and had a tech listen to it. When he came back he said that the tech expected me to throw a code soon, and told me to bring it back then so I could get on the wait list for a new head.

I asked him if they would give me a loaner after the CEL came on, and he said not without the extended warranty being purchased from them. Naturally, I asked if they won't give me a loaner, and if I can't get on the waiting list for a new head without the CEL and there's a two-month wait... Am I supposed to plan for going months without a vehicle?

What he said was that many customers are driving around with the CEL, and that the misfires only happen intermittently. Driving around with the CEL on for months doesn't sound like a good idea to me. If it truly would be fine though, then I'll stop worrying about the ticking problem.
Misfires can kill a catalytic converter so tell him you expect that to be replaced too if he tells you to keep driving it.
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Old 08-02-2012, 06:00 PM   #1689
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I posted this on the other thread... Just an update to help ease a lot of people's fears.

Unlimited 2012 Sahara here. And sadly, I was a victim of the cylinder misfire.

The check engine light came on once around 9k miles and went out after next my start-up. Light came on again around 14k.

A few observations...
1. There was no ticking noise to be heard at all!
2. The engine was sluggish while idling at a stoplight.
3. Remote start obviously would not work with the CEL on.
4. I wasn't able to take it to the dealer immediately and drove on it for <700 miles. The Jeep ran fine the entire time. (Dealer also confirmed there was no residual damage...see below)

I took the Jeep into the dealership on Thursday evening. Friday, the dealership called and confirmed the head needed to be replaced. I was even able to convince them to partially pay for my rental.

Great news...Luckily, they had quite a few of these already and had it back in my hands by Monday evening. 3 day turnaround is not too shabby! Dealer also made sure everything else looked mechanically sound.

The even greater news... the Jeep idles a whole lot better and I swear it drives better!

If anyone is worried about the head replacement, hopefully this post has put some of your worries to rest. Chrysler definitely screwed up, but they came through in the end.
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Jeep WILL provide loaners. Call customer support. They pay up to 40 dollars a day, that won't cover a rental cost for a day or a couple days. Weekly rates are significantly cheaper though and you can get a medium to large car on that budget. Maybe even a liberty, if you consider that a jeep :-P

Give customer care a call, they can also expedite your repairs.
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Old 08-02-2012, 06:17 PM   #1691
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Thanks everyone for the information! One other interesting thing he said was that the misfiring 3.6s that he's seen don't always make the ticking noise.

When the time comes, I'll definitely call customer care about the rental.

I have to take my JK back in Saturday morning for an engine diagnosis just to make sure it's not something else. I'll update if I hear anything new then.
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Old 08-02-2012, 06:18 PM   #1692
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I posted this on the other thread... Just an update to help ease a lot of people's fears.

Unlimited 2012 Sahara here. And sadly, I was a victim of the cylinder misfire.

The check engine light came on once around 9k miles and went out after next my start-up. Light came on again around 14k.

A few observations...
1. There was no ticking noise to be heard at all!
2. The engine was sluggish while idling at a stoplight.
3. Remote start obviously would not work with the CEL on.
4. I wasn't able to take it to the dealer immediately and drove on it for <700 miles. The Jeep ran fine the entire time. (Dealer also confirmed there was no residual damage...see below)

I took the Jeep into the dealership on Thursday evening. Friday, the dealership called and confirmed the head needed to be replaced. I was even able to convince them to partially pay for my rental.

Great news...Luckily, they had quite a few of these already and had it back in my hands by Monday evening. 3 day turnaround is not too shabby! Dealer also made sure everything else looked mechanically sound.

The even greater news... the Jeep idles a whole lot better and I swear it drives better!

If anyone is worried about the head replacement, hopefully this post has put some of your worries to rest. Chrysler definitely screwed up, but they came through in the end.
Thanks for your input. how would you describe the sluggish idle? and how long/how many miles did you have the idle issue before you got the permanent cel?

I ask because i've had the ticking for almost 3k miles now (currently at 3,800). No CEL, but the ticking is audible in the cabin with the windows up. The engine kind of skips a beat at idle probably once every 5-10 seconds for me. you can feel it in the seat and steering wheel, but you wouldn't notice it unless you have OCD, like me. No loss in power. This jumpy idle is not normal for a 6 cyl. It runs perfect once you're driving and my mileage is still 20-22.

I'm about to set off on my 3k mile road trip
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:55 PM   #1693
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I found out some more information from a tech who actually has seen a few of these heads when I went in for my first oil change. He answered a very important question for me.

Q: If I decide to take a road trip and the CEL comes on I'm boned right?
A: No, before your CEL comes on chances are you've had several misfires. Multiple misfires in a short time span cause the CEL code for misfires to appear. It will be fine on the road trip home unless the CEL blinks, that indicative of a more serious issue. In that case I need to shut it off and pull over.

Q: Are the heads back ordered still?
A: Yes.

Mine ticks, probably more than it should. With the windows up I can't really hear it, but even with the hood down from the outside of the car it's definitely all on the driver side. I also have the rough idle, at times. Feels like someone next to me has a huge sub woofer and the whole car almost has a "beat" to it when it happens.

In summary, the light just means you've had one too many misfires in a row. It's not like it's signaling you are about to throw a rod... (Yes, yes misfires aren't good for your catalytic converters) I had an oldsmobile, was my first car, that thing misfired, backfired, never fire-fire, but it drove. Drive your jeep til it drops, enjoy it! For nearly 2 weeks I fretted about this stuff after reading this post. Wish I'd never seen it.

PS I mentioned it before, but don't let the dealer make you pay for a rental. CALL CHRYSLER.

PPS I got a 2k mile road trip, knowing more about what's actually going on. Has really taken away a lot of my worries.
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Took a road trip started at 1500 miles now at 3200 miles in Ozark mountains, and still no tick. I compulsively checked it every fill up. Jeep build date June 2012. I'm praying I'm ok.
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3,480 in Colorado...no tick. This thread has me mildly paranoid...wish I had never seen it.
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:46 PM   #1696
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I'm April 12 and hoping to be ok. Not trying to start a fight, but is there anyone not having this problem? I got my jku June 1 and found this thread June 15 or so - now I'm scared to commit! Well - commit to mods and stuff... Damn...
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Old 08-02-2012, 10:36 PM   #1697
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I'm April 12 and hoping to be ok. Not trying to start a fight, but is there anyone not having this problem? I got my jku June 1 and found this thread June 15 or so - now I'm scared to commit! Well - commit to mods and stuff... Damn...
my build is april 24th, with tick
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I'm April 12 and hoping to be ok. Not trying to start a fight, but is there anyone not having this problem? I got my jku June 1 and found this thread June 15 or so - now I'm scared to commit! Well - commit to mods and stuff... Damn...
5200 miles here. A mild tick, just like a NORMAL engine.

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May 12th build date. NORMAL tick.
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Anyone with a June or July built 2012 with a tick?
Mine was one of the latest models, built last of June.
Maybe its a little too soon for these to tick.
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I'm not going to pretend to have read through this entire thread...but the whole Pentastar cylinder head problem is pretty new to me. My 2012 exhibits a similar condition, but I understand that a ticking sound could be caused by multiple conditions.

My engine seems very quiet and smooth just after a cold start (no ticking), however, after driving around and reaching operating temp I will notice a very distinct and audible ticking sound at idle. I never payed any attention to it prior to reading about this condition on the forum, however, the strange thing is that it doesn't sound like its coming from the cylinder head but rather lower in the block. If I put my ear up next to the valve cover it sounds pretty smooth with no tick. I am having a hard time locating the source of this tick and was wondering if someone could enlighten me as to whether or not my scenario matches that of the problematic cylinder head or if its just a benign jeep sound (as we all know how many of those there are).

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I'm not going to pretend to have read through this entire thread...but the whole Pentastar cylinder head problem is pretty new to me. My 2012 exhibits a similar condition, but I understand that a ticking sound could be caused by multiple conditions.

My engine seems very quiet and smooth just after a cold start (no ticking), however, after driving around and reaching operating temp I will notice a very distinct and audible ticking sound at idle. I never payed any attention to it prior to reading about this condition on the forum, however, the strange thing is that it doesn't sound like its coming from the cylinder head but rather lower in the block. If I put my ear up next to the valve cover it sounds pretty smooth with no tick. I am having a hard time locating the source of this tick and was wondering if someone could enlighten me as to whether or not my scenario matches that of the problematic cylinder head or if its just a benign jeep sound (as we all know how many of those there are).

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Hard to tell without listening. The Pentastar tick comes from the left head, and is accompanied with a CEL light indicating a misfire in either cylinder 2, 4, or 6. A trip to the dealer will probably send you home stating what you're hearing is normal, but if you're concerned visit the dealer and get it documented. If the CEL trips odds are you have the problem.
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Thanks for your input. how would you describe the sluggish idle? and how long/how many miles did you have the idle issue before you got the permanent cel?

I ask because i've had the ticking for almost 3k miles now (currently at 3,800). No CEL, but the ticking is audible in the cabin with the windows up. The engine kind of skips a beat at idle probably once every 5-10 seconds for me. you can feel it in the seat and steering wheel, but you wouldn't notice it unless you have OCD, like me. No loss in power. This jumpy idle is not normal for a 6 cyl. It runs perfect once you're driving and my mileage is still 20-22.

I'm about to set off on my 3k mile road trip
I'm not about to diagnose for you, but your idle feeling is pretty much the exact way I would describe mine. Also, the idle issue was noticeable around 9k (whenever my CEL tripped for the first time).

With that being said, I believe it is a good thing that you CEL has not tripped.

I'm not saying nothing is wrong, but you seem to be in the clear...for now at least.

Don't let the possibility of the cylinder misfire ruin your fun in the Jeep!
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Found a message on my phone from the dealership this evening. They just received a new replacement head for the previously new replacement that was recalled prior to install last week. They want me to drop it off on Tuesday for three days to do the install. I'm glad we are again making progress, but very surprised they want to keep it that long. 3 day plus the previous 25 days in the shop gets us much closer to Florida's 30 day lemon law than I thought Chrysler would ever be comfortable with. I won't be surprised if something changes between now and Tuesday.

Keeping my fingers crossed that this will be the final cure.
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Just received similar call from dealer yesterday. My jeep had the head replacement on Thursday , they took it for 65 mile ride to confirm no CEL or rough idle. I can pick it up tomorrow if all issues are have been resolved. The service manager is having the detail shop clean the jeep and will provide a free oil change on my next service. One odd thing was on my previous service they stated the diff cover was seeping fluid. I told them to fix it while they had the Jeep. They told me they saw no wetness at all I told them to mark that on the service record if the seal goes it is on your dime the repair. I will let everyone know how this head repair goes once I get the Jeep on the road. good luck to all. PJ
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Just received similar call from dealer yesterday. My jeep had the head replacement on Thursday , they took it for 65 mile ride to confirm no CEL or rough idle. I can pick it up tomorrow if all issues are have been resolved. The service manager is having the detail shop clean the jeep and will provide a free oil change on my next service. One odd thing was on my previous service they stated the diff cover was seeping fluid. I told them to fix it while they had the Jeep. They told me they saw no wetness at all I told them to mark that on the service record if the seal goes it is on your dime the repair. I will let everyone know how this head repair goes once I get the Jeep on the road. good luck to all. PJ
Does this mean they have a replacement for the replacement head? Would that indicate another part number? Thanks.
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Does this mean they have a replacement for the replacement head? Would that indicate another part number? Thanks.
I don't know. All I know for sure is they returned to Chrysler last week the new replacement head that was suppose to go on my Jeep. And now they have in stock another new replacement head that is to be installed next week. I wish I could tell you more, but that is all they have told me.
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Took a road trip started at 1500 miles now at 3200 miles in Ozark mountains, and still no tick. I compulsively checked it every fill up. Jeep build date June 2012. I'm praying I'm ok.
I'm with you. Build date of June 2012. I am at 1700 miles and no tick yet.

On a side note, my 2004 Durango has had the "Hemi Tick" since ~14K. I am over 100K now and no issues.
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i wish they'd put out a recall already... i just about need prescribed a benzodiazipan because of this thread alone!
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i wish they'd put out a recall already... i just about need prescribed a benzodiazipan because of this thread alone!
A recall is unlikely, this does not meet the gov't req'mts to qualify, not a safety concern, plenty of warning, = no safety hazard/ no recall.

This will be handled as a normal warranty repair. If Chrysler determines that there is sufficient volume of failed heads with the same cause, they will issue a service bulletin which will identify the specific failure and repair procedure.

If the problem persists long enough, they will offer an extended warranty coverage on the specific failure.
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I don't know. All I know for sure is they returned to Chrysler last week the new replacement head that was suppose to go on my Jeep. And now they have in stock another new replacement head that is to be installed next week. I wish I could tell you more, but that is all they have told me.

Maybe they have a fix for the fix. I think you'll be OK, just waiting a bit longer that's all.

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