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Old 10-22-2012, 01:59 PM   #2941
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Has anyone mentioned the fact that repairs like this generally get logged into the database, which gets picked up by Carfax, which in turn hurts your resale value? That's a big deal if you ask me.

I've already spent a week without my '12 due to the heater core issue. If my engine starts ticking and the light comes on, that's the end of the rope for me. I'm trading it in. Coming up on 7,000 miles soon and so far my engine seems to be behaving...

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Mine goes in tomorrow for engine ticking. Hopefully my dealer isn't made up of douches. We shall see....

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Mine goes in tomorrow for engine ticking. Hopefully my dealer isn't made up of douches. We shall see....

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How do i find the build date of my 2012 jk
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How do i find the build date of my 2012 jk
it's on the inside of your driver's door b piller
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This is what I have been harping about for months now when people just say, "it's under warranty so why worry?". A certain person here has also claimed that a defective head should not affect the lower part of the motor due to the design of the pentastar. Obviously that person is ill informed as you are proof that it does and it has. A lot of these problems from these bad heads will start to pop up 3-7 years from now when the vehicle is no longer in warranty and then people will be getting socked with $2k repair bills for 5 year old Jeeps with 30k miles on them or 3 year old Jeeps with 100k miles depending on how you drive. That's been my complaint all along when people say that Chrysler is stepping up and repairing them. That may be, but Chrysler is certainly not saying what is actually CAUSING the problem and whether or not it will lead to other more catastrophic wear and breakage further down the line much earlier than it normally would have and if it does then how will they deal with that.
Obviously you are ill informed on engine design. The camshafts are located in the head with the rest of the valvetrain, not in the lower engine. Pitted camshafts are often cause by a combination of a lack of lubrication and excessive moisture. They can even happen on an engine without any defects. Doesn't Toyota teach you anything?


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You do know that you now qualify for the lemon law if that ticking starts again dont you? 3 times for the same problem with no resolution and they have to give you your money back. You have nothing to worry about and I'm sure Chrysler is aware of this. You are in the drivers seat my friend. If they give you any problem get a lawyer. My buddy is an expert on this stuff. He's lemon lawed more than 1 vehicle. The last one I believe was a Dodge and they gave him a hard time. Long story short he got a lawyer, got his money back plus an extra 5k for his troubles.
Lemon laws vary from state to state so 3 times for the same issue doesn't apply everywhere. A certain troll on here liked to encourage members to use the lemon law for the least little thing, yet he has no clue lemon laws vary. In some states the law works for the consumer, other states make it harder.

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Read up on the lemon law. Chrysler has 3 strikes before you can invoke that. Unfortunately they get 3 strikes before they are out unless somehow there is a class action law suit which is highly improbable. It would have to be proven that Chrysler knowingly sold this engine with a problem. You have no choice but to either play the warranty game or just sell it.
Lemon laws vary from state to state so 3 times for the same issue doesn't apply everywhere. A certain troll on here liked to encourage members to use the lemon law for the least little thing, yet he has no clue lemon laws vary. In some states the law works for the consumer, other states make it harder.
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Obviously you are ill informed on engine design. The camshafts are located in the head with the rest of the valvetrain, not in the lower engine. Pitted camshafts are often cause by a combination of a lack of lubrication and excessive moisture. They can even happen on an engine without any defects. Doesn't Toyota teach you anything?
Are you confusing J0nx with Jannikt?
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Are you confusing J0nx with Jannikt?
No. LOL
But he reminds me of jannikt. Every post is negative. Doesn't have a bad head, but bad mouths the Pentastar and Jeep every chance he gets. And he calls me the Chrysler shill because I see through his BS. LOL
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No. LOL
But he reminds me of jannikt. Every post is negative. Doesn't have a bad head, but bad mouths the Pentastar and Jeep every chance he gets. And he calls me the Chrysler shill because I see through his BS. LOL
I'd say it is a bit different coming from J0nx....being that he has a Pentastar Wrangler....so at least he has skin in the game. I'm nervous as all get out....and my Jeep hasn't been built yet. I'm just hoping the AC heads have fixed the problem, not just masked them.
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I'd say it is a bit different coming from J0nx....being that he has a Pentastar Wrangler....so at least he has skin in the game. I'm nervous as all get out....and my Jeep hasn't been built yet. I'm just hoping the AC heads have fixed the problem, not just masked them.
As far as we know he owns a JK. LOL Some folks are openly concerned about the issue, I'm not saying they should or shouldn't be, but personal feelings are not facts, especially when it hasn't happened to you. I also get no satisfaction out of others misfortune.

Everyone has an opinion and there is nothing wrong with that. But when you post opinions as if they are facts, then unknowing members see it and are liable to interpret the opinion incorrectly.

Example of opinion: "I think/believe/feel/predict all the Pentastar engines built before the 2013 model year will experience the bad had issue". Can't argue this statement, its an opinion.

Example of an opinion that could be misinterpreted as fact. "All the Pentastar engines built before the 2013 model year will experience the bad head issue".
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I'd say it is a bit different coming from J0nx....being that he has a Pentastar Wrangler....so at least he has skin in the game. I'm nervous as all get out....and my Jeep hasn't been built yet. I'm just hoping the AC heads have fixed the problem, not just masked them.
Ive got a 12 jku with bad heads. very disapointing this being my first jeep. 5k on jeep
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Obviously you are ill informed on engine design. The camshafts are located in the head with the rest of the valvetrain, not in the lower engine. Pitted camshafts are often cause by a combination of a lack of lubrication and excessive moisture. They can even happen on an engine without any defects. Doesn't Toyota teach you anything?




Lemon laws vary from state to state so 3 times for the same issue doesn't apply everywhere. A certain troll on here liked to encourage members to use the lemon law for the least little thing, yet he has no clue lemon laws vary. In some states the law works for the consumer, other states make it harder.



Lemon laws vary from state to state so 3 times for the same issue doesn't apply everywhere. A certain troll on here liked to encourage members to use the lemon law for the least little thing, yet he has no clue lemon laws vary. In some states the law works for the consumer, other states make it harder.
Hopefully the member that has been back 3 times for this ticking problem lives in a state that protects the consumer and he or she doesnt have a hard time invoking the lemon law on their vehicle. This ticking problem isnt the least little thing and I hope you're not insinuating that I am that troll. It is solid advice to research the lemon law for this particular issue if their vehicle has been worked on 3 times for the same issue. Worth looking into. I know I would.
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Ive got a 12 jku with bad heads. very disapointing this being my first jeep. 5k on jeep
And thats completely understandable and I kind of know how you feel.
At 1500 miles, the transmission was pulled out of my Jeep and torn down so internals could be replaced. Wasn't pleased about it and leery of what kind of work the tech would do. But after I picked up the Jeep, I crawled underneath and inspected the drivetrain. Every nut and bolt was tight, all harnesses routed where they should be, etc. Plus the problem was fixed.

There have been other members who posted with the same issue, but I wasn't on here telling others that every 6 speed manual will experience the same.
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Hopefully the member that has been back 3 times for this ticking problem lives in a state that protects the consumer and he or she doesnt have a hard time invoking the lemon law on their vehicle. This ticking problem isnt the least little thing and I hope you're not insinuating that I am that troll. It is solid advice to research the lemon law for this particular issue if their vehicle has been worked on 3 times for the same issue. Worth looking into. I know I would.
Not insinuating you are a troll. No reason to believe. I never implied the ticking issue is insignificant either.
In one of your posts you wrote: "You do know that you now qualify for the lemon law if that ticking starts again dont you? 3 times for the same problem with no resolution and they have to give you your money back."

I was just pointing out that a blanket statement like that isn't true because the laws vary from state to state. Just ask your buddy. Not always as easy as it sounds.
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[QUOTE=SilverSport;2915069]Not insinuating you are a troll. No reason to believe. I never implied the ticking issue is insignificant either.
In one of your posts you wrote: "You do know that you now qualify for the lemon law if that ticking starts again dont you? 3 times for the same problem with no resolution and they have to give you your money back."

I was just pointing out that a blanket statement like that isn't true because the laws vary from state to state. Just ask your buddy. Not always as easy as it sounds.[/QUOTE]

No its not as easy as it sounds but this dude is a pro. He has gotten 3 vehicles bought back under the lemon law. He is relentless. He demands perfection and wont take no for an answer. The last one was on a Dodge pickup that had an intermittent buffeting problem (wind noise). Like I said, this guy not only got his money back but they gave him an extra 5k. Squeaky wheel gets the oil. If you scream loud enough you have a good chance of winning. I have to add the my friend uses an attorney. That helps big time.
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I sincerely doubt there will be a recall, since most if not all recalls have as their basis a safety issue. What is the safety issue with a ticking or blown head?

My recommendation would be a boycott until Jeep issues transferable life of the vehicle warranties for Wranglers through the 2015MY. Surely they will have it fixed by then.
Didn't Toyota just recall over 1 million vehicles for bad power window switches? If memory serves there was no fire issue mentioned in the article that I read about it.

Point being that recalls are initiated for crappy parts, too. Granted that a head replacement costs more that a window switch, but still...

Hopefully enough people will complain until Chrysler/Fiat makes it right.

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Didn't Toyota just recall over 1 million vehicles for bad power window switches? If memory serves there was no fire issue mentioned in the article that I read about it.

Actually they did call it a safety issue and it was 2.5 million vehicles.

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"TORRANCE, Calif., Oct. 10, 2012 – Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. (TMS), today announced that it will conduct a safety recall involving approximately 2.5 million vehicles to inspect and apply special fluorine grease to the driver’s side Power Window Master Switch (PWMS).


The driver’s side PWMS may experience a “notchy” or sticky feel during operation. If commercially available lubricants are applied to the switch in an attempt to address the “notchy” or sticky feel, melting of the switch assembly or smoke could occur and lead to a fire under some circumstances."

Just the facts, not an opinion.

For full disclosure, I do not presently own a Wrangler. Although I signed a purchase agreement and lost the small amount of money to get the deal to the manager I walked away 2 weeks ago because I was not comfortable long term with Jeep's sincerity and the reliability of the engine.

I will buy a 2013 or 2014 or later MY if the engine appears to be stable and strong.

This forum is very useful for gathering information, albeit a small sample of the real world.

I am trying to get out of dirt bikes and a new Wrangler seemed like the answer. Fortunately I did not sell all of them yet.
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No its not as easy as it sounds but this dude is a pro. He has gotten 3 vehicles bought back under the lemon law. He is relentless. He demands perfection and wont take no for an answer. The last one was on a Dodge pickup that had an intermittent buffeting problem (wind noise). Like I said, this guy not only got his money back but they gave him an extra 5k. Squeaky wheel gets the oil. If you scream loud enough you have a good chance of winning. I have to add the my friend uses an attorney. That helps big time.
I for one am not arguing against anyone using a lemon law. But depending on their state lemon laws, certain criteria have to be met. One size doesn't fit all. I love my Jeep and my dealer does good work and even if I had an issue they couldn't fix, as long as they were making a good faith effort to fix it I wouldn't be in a hurry to use the lemon law. But that's me. If another member has an issue and it isn't fixed in a timely manner and meets their state's requirements for lemon laws and they want to go that route, more power to them.
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I for one am not arguing against anyone using a lemon law. But depending on their state lemon laws, certain criteria have to be met. One size doesn't fit all. I love my Jeep and my dealer does good work and even if I had an issue they couldn't fix, as long as they were making a good faith effort to fix it I wouldn't be in a hurry to use the lemon law. But that's me. If another member has an issue and it isn't fixed in a timely manner and meets their state's requirements for lemon laws and they want to go that route, more power to them.
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Has anyone mentioned the fact that repairs like this generally get logged into the database, which gets picked up by Carfax, which in turn hurts your resale value? That's a big deal if you ask me.

I've already spent a week without my '12 due to the heater core issue. If my engine starts ticking and the light comes on, that's the end of the rope for me. I'm trading it in. Coming up on 7,000 miles soon and so far my engine seems to be behaving...
I'm with you man....I'm at the end of my rope too! The salesman I used told me he'd give me $25,000 for my loaded 2012 JKUR that I paid $41,000 out the door 12 months ago.. Has 2700 miles on it! He says that's what he pays at an auction.. He said I hammered him on the price.. So he needs to recover some $... Pretty ballsey huh? I have an appointment on Friday morning at 8am to let them "listen" to the noise... As if it were even close to normal.. If I knew how to upload the video I would! So I guess here I go... Down this road!
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Well I have SilverSport blocked so I can't see his Chrysler corporate shilling unless one of you quote him. The simple fact is that you can wordsmith all you want but the cams on these things ARE major engine work and are indicative of further problems down the line that I have been harping about. SS can not guarantee that no other problems will pop up regardless of how much shilling he does for the mothership. I happen to love my Jeep. I have had ZERO problems with mine other than a CEL at 1000 miles and rough running for all of 5 minutes that never came back. I have skin in this game and continue to love my Jeep and mod it. If mine was a POS and had to lemon law it, I would most likely get another one in CG. My problems are with how Chrysler has obfuscated at every turn with regard to this problem and my concerns with longevity of my vehicle and how nobody has guaranteed me that this issue won't affect me 3.5 years from now when I am out of warranty. If you feel that this is me being too negative then tough shit because I could care less.
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What exactly could come out of a carfax on this issue? Engine Warranty work performed? I mean....srslee
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I'd say it is a bit different coming from J0nx....being that he has a Pentastar Wrangler....so at least he has skin in the game. I'm nervous as all get out....and my Jeep hasn't been built yet. I'm just hoping the AC heads have fixed the problem, not just masked them.
This "skin in the game" line is getting pathetic.

He bought a car for christ's sake. Quit pretending his life is at risk.
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This "skin in the game" line is getting pathetic.

He bought a car for christ's sake. Quit pretending his life is at risk.
Who said his life is at risk?

Please post where I said his life is at risk.....or even said anything close to that.

I'll wait....

Or....

You could quit blowing stuff out proportion simply for the sake of making a snide comment. The "skin in the game" was in response to a post about him vs someone who used to post here that didn't even have a Jeep.
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I have no "skin in this game". I'm just here doing research for a pontential purchase. I have to say that my excitment for buying a new JKU has been serioulsy tempered. I have the worst luck and it would be typical for me to buy one and have this problem. This is a major purchase for me. I'm not rich and I cant laugh off owning a 40k headache. I was ready to pull the trigger but now I'm going to wait. It may be several months. I want to make sure this problem has been taken care of in the 13's. My problem is that since this would be a 2nd vehicle for me having a company car to drive for work the Jeep would probably on get about 5k miles a year. This problem could easily pop up after I'm out of warranty. Shame beacause I was really pumped to get one. I just cant take the chance. Like I said, I have the worst luck. Hopefully by next spring the new ones on the lot will be sorted out. If not I'm going to have to pass.
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Who said his life is at risk?

Please post where I said his life is at risk.....or even said anything close to that.

I'll wait....

Or....

You could quit blowing stuff out proportion simply for the sake of making a snide comment. The "skin in the game" was in response to a post about him vs someone who used to post here that didn't even have a Jeep.
Oh the irony of you accusing someone of blowing something out of proportion.
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Well I have SilverSport blocked so I can't see his Chrysler corporate shilling unless one of you quote him. The simple fact is that you can wordsmith all you want but the cams on these things ARE major engine work and are indicative of further problems down the line that I have been harping about. SS can not guarantee that no other problems will pop up regardless of how much shilling he does for the mothership. I happen to love my Jeep. I have had ZERO problems with mine other than a CEL at 1000 miles and rough running for all of 5 minutes that never came back. I have skin in this game and continue to love my Jeep and mod it. If mine was a POS and had to lemon law it, I would most likely get another one in CG. My problems are with how Chrysler has obfuscated at every turn with regard to this problem and my concerns with longevity of my vehicle and how nobody has guaranteed me that this issue won't affect me 3.5 years from now when I am out of warranty. If you feel that this is me being too negative then tough shit because I could care less.
As a troll you have no guarantee this issue WILL affect you in 3.5 years. I never said it wouldn't but you keep preaching doomsday results. Members are worried enough about this issue without you playing on your fears. Did you forget the pic you posted of dead flies after a member posted their head went bad? Did you get some sick twisted satisfaction out of that. "Hooray, another one bites the dust".

Every major automaker has clouded manufacturing issues in the past; GM Ford, Toyota, Honda, etc etc. Why do you expect Chrysler to be any different?

You also stated your concerns about how the head issue would affect the life of the lower engine. But the cams are in the head. Perhaps Toyota or Land Rover or whoever is paying you should ante up for a class on engine fundamentals so you have a clue what part goes where.

Call me what you want but as long as you post mindless uninformed BS, I will call you out. Others have called you out before in other threads but you still don't get it. I think we have hijacked this thread enough over your idiocy. Give it back to those who have genuine information or questions to ask.

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This "skin in the game" line is getting pathetic.

He bought a car for christ's sake. Quit pretending his life is at risk.
Wait......I own a 2012 also. So I don't have "skin in the game"? LOL
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I also wanted to add that there is another thread here with a poll on who has had the problem. The haves are up to 30%. Somebody posted that a service rep for Jeep told him that the amount of complaints are only at 0.57% of Jeeps sold. Something doesnt wash here. How could 30% of the people surveyed on this site have had this problem if the % is as low as Chrysler claims.
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As a troll you have no guarantee this issue WILL affect you in 3.5 years. I never said it wouldn't but you keep preaching doomsday results. Members are worried enough about this issue without you playing on your fears. Did you forget the pic you posted of dead flies after a member posted their head went bad? Did you get some sick twisted satisfaction out of that. "Hooray, another one bites the dust".

Every major automaker has clouded manufacturing issues in the past; GM Ford, Toyota, Honda, etc etc. Why do you expect Chrysler to be any different?

You also stated your concerns about how the head issue would affect the life of the lower engine. But the cams are in the head. Perhaps Toyota or Land Rover or whoever is paying you should ante up for a class on engine fundamentals so you have a clue what part goes where.

Call me what you want but as long as you post mindless uninformed BS, I will call you out. Others have called you out before in other threads but you still don't get it. I think we have hijacked this thread enough over your idiocy. Give it back to those who have genuine information or questions to ask.



Wait......I own a 2012 also. So I don't have "skin in the game"? LOL
If the camshaft is affected it could cause a miss fire or timing issue which will cause problems in the bottom end so it's not impossible. Acutually it is very possible since I've read posts that said that has happened due to this issue. Miss fire in a cylinder is a big issue.
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I also wanted to add that there is another thread here with a poll on who has had the problem. The haves are up to 30%. Somebody posted that a service rep for Jeep told him that the amount of complaints are only at 0.57% of Jeeps sold. Something doesnt wash here. How could 30% of the people surveyed on this site have had this problem if the % is as low as Chrysler claims.
Because something as serious as the head issue will get lots of attention on a forum like this. Jeep sold more than 100K Wranglers in 2012, but you don't see every owner signing up as members. We see a biased sampling.
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If the camshaft is affected it could cause a miss fire or timing issue which will cause problems in the bottom end so it's not impossible. Acutually it is very possible since I've read posts that said that has happened due to this issue. Miss fire in a cylinder is a big issue.
Kindly share some of these posts. As the owner of a Jeep that could potentially have this issue I pay close attention to these threads. I haven't seen any member say the head issue caused damage to the lower end. But maybe I missed it. A miss fire is just that: a miss. A lack of combustion in a cylinder puts much less stress on the piston, rod, crank than the force from normal combustion.

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