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Old 03-11-2010, 10:49 PM   #1
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Upgrade Without Lifting - Need Help

I am very interested in upgrading my 2010 Sahara without lifting it. Would like to know what components are the best upgrades to make to the front end, suspension, etc over stock without lifting or increasing my chances of death wobble.

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Old 03-12-2010, 06:07 AM   #2
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Your jeep is pretty capable right out of the factory. I would take it wheeling and then determine from others that you are wheeling with what some capabilities are that they have that you want. Skid plates and armor for instance if you travel where there are a lot of rocks.

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Old 03-12-2010, 08:38 AM   #3
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What do you mean "UPGRADE" ???

If you want to upgrade your stock SAHARA, with out lift or tires/wheels/shocks/stabilizers/bumpers/winch's, which would be usless without bigger tires and associated lift--

Trade the SAHARA in on a RUBICON

If you wanr aesthetic "upgrade" look in 4wd mags for things you can add to make your vehicle a little more comfy--you gotta be the judge

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First think I did with my Sahara was ditch the stock tires and get something that worked better.
Then I ditched those tires and the stock 18" hoops and bought better tires (again) and lighter/stronger 16" wheels.
Then I added bumpers and a winch; I put in stiffer springs to deal with the added weight (added springs from an Unlimited tow package to my 2-door).
Auxiliary lights added, replaced the headlamp assemblies/wiring.

And I'm finally going to lift it 2.5" on Wednesday; I'm sick of bumping my butt on departures.

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Old 03-12-2010, 09:22 AM   #5
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the biggest question i would have for you is: what do you want to upgrade??

you stated suspension, etc..... 1 item and an open door to whatever?

if you want to upgrade the suspension without a lift, what are you trying to accomplish? stiffer spring rate? more flex? sway bar disconnect? upgraded stabilizer shock? shocks? brakes?

what is it that you want to accomplish with the upgrades (without lifting it obviously)????

are you wanting bigger tires? more flex? lighting? winching? bumpers? looks? bling? what?

without any parameters to go on, we cant really begin to help you out here...

hilldweller thats about the best answer i can imagine being given without knowing what he wants to do with it... thanks.
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Old 03-12-2010, 09:27 AM   #6
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the better question would be:

"I want to be able to ________________________, what can i upgrade without having to lift it? i want to avoid the death wobble as much as possible."

fill in the blank with whatever you want. "fit 33" tires","do better offroad","fit 24" rims for the night life","get a fat chick to the top of the Colorado rockies" ... whatever you like
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^Exactly. We can't blindly advise- what do you want to do with the rig? Mud? Rocks? Malls? Also, the only suspension upgrade that might help any is a steering damper. Beyond that, any suspension bits will lift your rig.
Also, lifting does not automatically equal death wobble. It is a somewhat commonish phenomenon, and is often easily cured. A lift that comes with a new, adjustable track bar will cure 95% of these issues. A new track bar is under $200, or included with many kits.

As for general upgrades, a good set of tires on a smaller set of wheels would be a grand idea. 18" tires are expensive, and won't ride or air down as well as the same size tire on a smaller rim. If you'll never see mud or rocks, a good all-terrain is the way to go. If you plan to see mud, go mud-terrain- all-terrains pack up QUICK in any kind of real mud. If you only see mud a couple times a year, perhaps a second set of dedicated off-road M/T's and wheels is in order.
If you plan to wheel, even a small lift would be a good idea. Beyond that, if you'll see rocks, skid plating is a good idea. A front steel winch bumper is also a smart bet if you'll be offroad a fair bit.
A good upgrade for EVERY JK is the Superchips programmer- you WILL see improved fuel economy, and a bit of power.
Also, re-gearing is the key to getting the JK to move out nicely. Stock gearing, except in the Rubicon, is garbage.

Also, knowing where you are would help Cheers- Mark W.
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FYI the superchips dont have the programing for the new 2010 just yet but i hear they are working on it.
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Thanks guys and sorry for not being specific. As I am new to all of this and as I read through the great info on the forums, it came clear to me that the stock suspension (swaybar, shocks, etc) are not the greatest. I did upgrade the wheels by getting rid of the 18"s and Dueler AT and upgraded by adding 17"s and slightly larger and wider Revo II's - very comfortable ride with this alone. So, now I wondered if there is anything i can change underneath that can solidify my ride and provide better handling. Also, I have seen threads discussing death wobble on stock JK's - I was shocked to hear about this and wondered what changes i can make to the suspension and anything else underneath to absolutley prevent this. Again, thanks for all the help.
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Let me add kind of a disclaimer, if you want "UPGRADE" to really LOOK good, for a social circle, then it's going to cost money

If you want your jeep to look like a RUBICON ready rock-crawler, thats gonna cost a bunch

First and foremost, is to take the jeep out with some jeepers and LEARN HOW TO DRIVE IT, everything you add toit, will make it more ROUGH off-road ready, but, it won't DRIVE you, you have to drive it !!!

Every action has a reaction, tough shocks/springs--rough ride

bigger knoby tires/wheels-noisy-rubbing

bumpers-winch--sagging springs--everything affects SOMETHING ELSE

The realism is, everything you do to the suspension/body affects the jeep as a Daily Driver--it's a jungle out there

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first upgrades I would make would be to the axle shafts, lower gearing and better diff covers.
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For a better ride, check out the Edelbrock IAS shocks- shockwarehouse.com has them- you may have to look up under a 2007 Wrangler- all the same stuff- Mark W.

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