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Truck-Lite LED Headlights 7 17.50%
Posion Spyder Brawler bumper 10 25.00%
Superwinch Talon synthetic line Winch 7 17.50%
Bushwacker Flat Flares 3 7.50%
Body Armor 4x4 Rear Bumper 0 0%
Terraflex Rock Rails 3 7.50%
Engine Skid 3 7.50%
Transmission Skid 1 2.50%
Front Axle tube and Gusset 3 7.50%
4.88 re-gear 8 20.00%
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:57 PM   #1
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Vote on my next mod

Ok JK Shoppers I'm going to use some of the money from selling some of my non-Jeep related toys to... what else? Upgrade the Jeep.

I don't have too many mods yet...


2012 JKU Cosmos Blue Sport with 3.21 Auto

2.5" RE coil lift
35" Tires on Procomp SERIES 7036 wheels
Mopar soft top (hard top hanging in garage)
Terraflex HD hinge oversize spare carrier
Pixel Decals
Surprise straps
Viair 300p portable compressor
Currie air down tool (very fast)
Smittybilt compact shovel
Smittybilt 30ft recovery strap
HAM radio

As far as Jeep usage it is a daily driver that I put about 17k miles a year on. It only goes off-road 10-15 times a year at legal locations such as Uwharrie OHV, Brown Mountain OHV, any other OHV parks I can find and of course the Beach at Corolla. I have the dreaded 3.21 axle ratio and 35" tires but honestly it doesn't bother me much with the Pentastar oomph and stirring the auto-stick to keep it in the gear I want but I've put re-gear in the list because I probably will eventually want to do that.

So I'm not a big wheeler but I really enjoy taking the kids out for weekends on novice to moderate trails where I'm not too concerned about not being able to make the 2 hour drive back home. I've been concerned about going places without other Jeepers present due to not having any recovery equipment of my own but since the Jeep is on the street 95% of the time wheeling prowess and self-recovery aren't necessarily the highest things on my list.

Here are the list of mods I'm considering and I'm interested in how the community would vote on the list so I've created a poll.

Truck-Lite LED Headlights
Posion Spyder Brawler bumper
Superwinch Talon synthetic line Winch
Bushwacker Flat Flares
Body Armor 4x4 Rear Bumper
Terraflex Rock Rails
Engine Skid
Transmission Skid
Front Axle tube and Gusset
4.88 re-gear

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poison spyder brawler bumper.

btw, how do u like the re 2.5 lift? offroad/onroad handling characteristics

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Old 06-26-2013, 03:02 PM   #3
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I was gonna' vote but I didn't see a 2" lowering kit on the list

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Old 06-26-2013, 04:28 PM   #4
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btw, how do u like the re 2.5 lift? offroad/onroad handling characteristics
I'm happy with it but don't have much to compare it to other than stock. Actual lift was about 4" at the front including the 35s".

The ride is rougher than stock when empty over harsh transitions but when I ordered the springs the Rubicon Express guy asked me if I was going to add much weight beyond stock and I told them I planned on aftermarket bumpers, winch and possibly some skids so they sent a higher spring rate (I don't know the actual numbers). When the Jeep is loaded up with 4 people and a big dog and lots of luggage it rides like a stock empty Jeep. By comparison when I had the stock Jeep loaded up with that much stuff it always felt a bit like a pogo-stick ride when going over stuff.

So I think that when I get some more sprung weight it will smooth out again on the road.

Off-road the new suspension is night and day better than stock. I'm assuming it's due to the stiffer springs and higher damping rate of the new shocks. Going over big erosion berms and crossing wheel ruts at 10-15 mph used to completely upset the Jeep and now it handles it with aplomb. I've only hit the bump stops off-roading once that I'm aware of and it wasn't nearly as violent as when it would did it stock. I bottomed them out when stock a lot.
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The re shocks are tuned bilstein 5100's. My kit is still in back order. I'm glad that it worked out for u and thanks again for the review. I can't wait.

Anyways, I still vote for the poison spyder bumpers.

Or u can close ur eyes and pick. I like all the items listed but the bumper is a sure win.

@thingsabove...side note... i just called RE after reading your post to change mine out to a higher spring rate and they said that they don't offer higher spring rates for our application, but if its pretty noticeable, they can upgrade to the 3.5 springs to compensate for free. all in all its a win win. I never heard of re springs sagging, but its just food for thought.
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Here is my opinion

1. Front Bumper and winch...the only thing you put on that gets you un-stuck
2. Regear if you are dealing with 321's, if you are regearing you may want to consider lockers at this time as the front carrier will have to be replaced anyway. There are thick cut gears to work with the rear carrier but it will save the expense of basically paying for a regear again to install a rear locker. The cool thing is you already have a compressor so an air locker would be a great choice.

If your ride is harsh then that is fairly uncommon on re lifts. On newer jeeps the tire pressure has to be set high to avoid tpms warning lights, a great investment is an aev procal, it will allow you to drop the warning pressure to around 30-32 psi so that you can air down a little and get some ride back. If you have already done this then I would double check the tire pressure. If you have already done all of that then I just wasted your time...sorry.
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@thingsabove...side note... i just called RE after reading your post to change mine out to a higher spring rate and they said that they don't offer higher spring rates for our application, but if its pretty noticeable, they can upgrade to the 3.5 springs to compensate for free. all in all its a win win. I never heard of re springs sagging, but its just food for thought.
Hmmm... well I wonder what they meant when I ordered them. My local 4-Wheel Drive parts counter guy was actually on the phone with them and was relaying their questions about how much weight did I plan to add during the order. Maybe he interpreted their response as "spring rate". Now you got me curious.

Anyway I'm not trying to say the ride is "rough" it's just less compliant over sharp bumps and the new shocks prevent any sort of "bounce" over bumps. But as I say below I think adding unsprung weight has as much to do with changing the feel of the ride as anything else.

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Here is my opinion

1. Front Bumper and winch...the only thing you put on that gets you un-stuck
2. Regear if you are dealing with 321's, if you are regearing you may want to consider lockers at this time as the front carrier will have to be replaced anyway. There are thick cut gears to work with the rear carrier but it will save the expense of basically paying for a regear again to install a rear locker. The cool thing is you already have a compressor so an air locker would be a great choice.

If your ride is harsh then that is fairly uncommon on re lifts. On newer jeeps the tire pressure has to be set high to avoid tpms warning lights, a great investment is an aev procal, it will allow you to drop the warning pressure to around 30-32 psi so that you can air down a little and get some ride back. If you have already done this then I would double check the tire pressure. If you have already done all of that then I just wasted your time...sorry.
I have a Superchips programmer. I forgot to list that in the mods. I've adjusted tire sizes and turned TPMS low limit down to 8. I run the tires at 30 on the road but I don't get full contact patch until I go down to 28. At 28psi I get a full contact patch (from a chalk test) but then the steering tends to wander a bit. Adding 40lbs of unsprung weight to each wheel probably is what makes the ride feel a bit harsher as well when going over sharp transitions.

I realize the winch is the way to go for self recovery. I just don't do the type of wheeling on my own that I'd get in that sort of situation. I'm always around other off road trucks. However at Brown Mountain I never say another Jeep... just lots of dirt bikes and 4 wheelers.

Yeah I've thought about a front locker when I re-gear. But I'm not sure it's really something I need. Seems to be a "rock-crawler" sort of accessory which I'm unlikely to do with a 2-3" lift. My local 4WD store recommends ARB which is pretty pricey but I assume you get what you pay for. I have limited slip rear diff already but I know thats of limited use in a lot of off-road situations.

Thanks for the opinions. They all help with my choices. This is my first Jeep and I'm having a blast learning about all the cool things I can do to it and with it.
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i don't even have my re kit yet and i'm already expecting it to sag with the future aftermarket goodies i have planned. anyways i have yet to hear any kind of sagging from re springs from other users as well. bett's springs make RE springs and they are very reputable. the only downside to re was their bushing which they fixed not too long ago. i was just curious on how it performed offroad since you seem to be the first user i found who uses the jeep as intended. Seems like its living up to its old reputation again which is pretty good.

apologies for going off course with the thread...i shouldve pm'd u instead. lol
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i don't even have my re kit yet and i'm already expecting it to sag with the future aftermarket goodies i have planned. anyways i have yet to hear any kind of sagging from re springs from other users as well. bett's springs make RE springs and they are very reputable. the only downside to re was their bushing which they fixed not too long ago. i was just curious on how it performed offroad since you seem to be the first user i found who uses the jeep as intended. Seems like its living up to its old reputation again which is pretty good.

apologies for going off course with the thread...i shouldve pm'd u instead. lol
No problem.. As far as sag, I weigh around 185 and if I put all my weight on the front bumper with the RE springs it drops 1/2 inch measured at the front corner of the flare. So I don't think you'll get much sag.
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No problem.. As far as sag, I weigh around 185 and if I put all my weight on the front bumper with the RE springs it drops 1/2 inch measured at the front corner of the flare. So I don't think you'll get much sag.
My front springs have the following number painted on the coil "RM 60450-37660"
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Is the jeep under your profile image the same as the one in the first post?
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Is the jeep under your profile image the same as the one in the first post?
Yep... Profile post is fresh off the lot JKU Sport. First post is after a bit of lift and new shoes.

I like to photograph my Jeep...

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Wow these pictures are really nice. I love that color. Do you have a thread or album with more pictures?
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Wow these pictures are really nice. I love that color. Do you have a thread or album with more pictures?
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I chose the rails because, if you're doing any wheeling at all, you should have rails to protect the Jeep.

You don't need a winch if you're not going that often. Just bring a strap. Unless you go alone, then you might need a winch. (shouldn't go alone...)

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