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Old 01-10-2017, 07:54 PM
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As I keep waiting for the Recon to become available I've been trying to learn a lot about the JK from reading the various discussions (some amazing builds in the build forum such as Buildit). I'm hoping to start a build thread shortly but noticed that a few new Jeep owners started their journey thanks to VW dieselgate.

That includes myself. While I loved my tdi sportwagen and enjoyed getting 54 mpg on the highway, it was a no-brainer to sell back at the price they offered me. With the check in the bank I decided pretty quickly that a Jeep was the best way forward. That poor Vdub just wasn't cutting it off-road: the 35's rubbed terribly and the cops kept pulling me over for the light bar.

While I'm not new to off-roading (also former defender/discovery I+II/rr classic/series IIa driver) I had never sat in a JK wrangler. Poor on road manners and too basic? Really? Not for me. I made the mistake of test driving a manual HR- and loving it. Leaps and bounds better manners than any land rover I've had. This brings me back to the wait on a Recon and the point of this thread..

How many of you are buying a used/new Jeep with your VW check? Why? What model VW did you drive?

As always, thanks in advance!
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Technically I bought the Jeep before I got the check (VW is so slow).
2015 JKU Sport replaced my '14 Jetta.
Only thing I miss is the stereo, but I am in the process of fixing that.

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I bought a 2017 JKUS 75th Anniversary Edition to replace my 2011 VW Golf TDI. I will turn in my Golf next month.
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I had a new '10 Tiguan Highline (gasoline, no diesel available) that started to fall apart and malfunction big time about a year into the ownership experience. Traded that for a '12 Tiguan- same experience but different problems. Neither was a "buy back" or refund vehicle, but I couldn't wait not to own them any longer.

My old Cherokee did right by me, which brought me back into the Jeep fold...

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2011 Jetta TDI and used the $$ we got from VW to almost pay off the 2015 JKU Altitude. This was the original plan while we waited on VW.

The only word of caution I can give you is to really make sure you'll be comfortable with the Recon as your DD. Personally, I couldn't do it. It's been a great vehicle and looking forward to keeping it forever; zero regrets.
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Well dieselgate didn't cause me to buy my Jeep. Someone hitting me head-on in my 2015 VW GLI did.

After the accident I wanted something a little taller and I always liked the Wrangler so I decided to get away from VW for a while and try something new. I have no regrets. Love my JK.
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That poor Vdub just wasn't cutting it off-road: the 35's rubbed terribly and the cops kept pulling me over for the light bar.
I gotta see pics of a Sportwagen on 35s

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How many of you are buying a used/new Jeep with your VW check? Why? What model VW did you drive?

As always, thanks in advance!
2012 Jetta buyback on 12/28.
2017 JKU Sport S delivered 12/26.

We felt extorted into the buyback - the offer was decent, and a repair solution just left too much unknown. Adding DEF was not an option, de-tuning would tick me off, and long term value impact was too much risk.

Wife's daily driver, and she gets what she wants - my job is to build it for her. I have a 2015 Ram 3500 DRW Laramie Longhorn 4x4 that is our tow beast and my daily driver, so it's not like I'm jealous of her.

Well, maybe a little...

We will miss the 40mpg though, for real.
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17 JKU Freedom Edition in Chief picked up 12/22 sweet Christmas present eh? VW is pretty slow 15 Sportwagen TDI goes back Feb. 16th. Didn't want to be without a vehicle in between so the extra money from the buy back goes to mods for the Jeep! Let the fun begin!
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Ordered a Sahara back in October, handed my Sportwagen back to VW on 12/19 and picked up my Jeep 12/20. I thought the gas mileage would take some adjustment but I forget all about it every time I'm driving the thing.

Wish I had done this sooner!
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Scheduled Buyback sometime in September

Ordered my 17 JKU on Halloween.

Vw bought back my 13 Passat TDI on Dec 20th.

Picked up my JKU on the 23rd when the funds cleared.
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The 2011 Sportwagen TDI was my wife's car. Now she has the Jeep she's wanted for the last 7 years.

JKU Sahara ordered as soon as the court gave final approval, picked up from the dealer on 11/19. VW bought back on 12/22. We loved the VW but coudn't pass up the money and the chance for her to have her Jeep.

My friend went from his TDI to a Tesla. So our average gas mileage between us is still the same.

Surprised it is this many...
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Turning in the wife's 13' TDI Golf this Friday. I jokingly suggested she could get a Wrangler like me, but she wanted to go with another German car. We're using the money to pay that one down, and then will roll that payment money against the Jeep to pay it off quicker too. More mod money eventually .
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Turning in the wife's 13' TDI Golf this Friday. I jokingly suggested she could get a Wrangler like me, but she wanted to go with another German car. We're using the money to pay that one down, and then will roll that payment money against the Jeep to pay it off quicker too. More mod money eventually .
If she gets a manual transmission, it is made by Mercedes. That's practically a German car. Haha.
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How many of you are buying a used/new Jeep with your VW check? Why? What model VW did you drive?
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I'm not going to go off on a rant here, but damn...

My previous vehicle was a 2003 Audi RS6 - the halo car of executive super-sport sedans, unmatched road performance, etc... Fastest production vehicle available in the US until the GTR squeaked by it (if you were willing to forego your drivetrain warranty by switching ON the launch mode in the GTR).

VAG didn't just monkey with the software on their diesel vehicles, but I'm left in the lurch with a vehicle that sunk in value after dieselgate. Not a snowball's chance in hell that I'll ever get a buyback offer, unfortunately.

I'm sincerely jealous of you VW folks who are getting well above KBB from the mfr, as my 3-year $60k+ investment looks to be netting me all of about $12k from an extremely limited production run vehicle - 847 of the RS6's made it to US shores, less than the production run of the Million-Dollar Porsche 918.

Regardless, welcome to the Jeep family, enjoy your off-roading or whatever experiences you have. I'll be saving my pennies to do the mods the VW check covers for the former tdi drivers :\

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I had heard about VWs not holding well together, but am surprised to hear how soon those Touaregs and Tiguan start to fall apart.

I never owned a VW, but test drove a Jetta TDI in 2012 and was truly WOWED with the pep, handling, fit-and-finish, and the promise of 50+ MPG at an incredible price. It all seemed too good to be true and, as it turned out, it was.

The way in which VW engineered a whole cheating plan to turn TDI into an "unbeatable brand" is no different to the Russians or the Chinese caught doping its gold medalists.

I am surprised to see so many ex-VW owners use their buyback money to get a Jeep Wrangler. Now I am curious to know how many customers VW is actually keeping after this fiasco.
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I'm not going to go off on a rant here, but damn...

My previous vehicle was a 2003 Audi RS6 - the halo car of executive super-sport sedans, unmatched road performance, etc... Fastest production vehicle available in the US until the GTR squeaked by it (if you were willing to forego your drivetrain warranty by switching ON the launch mode in the GTR).

VAG didn't just monkey with the software on their diesel vehicles, but I'm left in the lurch with a vehicle that sunk in value after dieselgate. Not a snowball's chance in hell that I'll ever get a buyback offer, unfortunately.

I'm sincerely jealous of you VW folks who are getting well above KBB from the mfr, as my 3-year $60k+ investment looks to be netting me all of about $12k from an extremely limited production run vehicle - 847 of the RS6's made it to US shores, less than the production run of the Million-Dollar Porsche 918.

Regardless, welcome to the Jeep family, enjoy your off-roading or whatever experiences you have. I'll be saving my pennies to do the mods the VW check covers for the former tdi drivers :\

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Yours is a good example of the "unintended consequences" of the VW saga. There are many Audi and VW owners caught in a similar situation, victims of the collateral damage from Dieselgate spilling onto owners of other models.

More executives are being charged and, yesterday, VW reported that the Dieselgate costs are now approaching $19B, well in excess of the $12B it had set aside. With headlines still unfolding 1.5 years after the scandal broke out, and with many owners like yourself, slowly trying to extricate themselves from the ownership of other Audi and VW vehicles, these costs are likely to keep rising.

We probably won't know the true cost of Dieselgate for another 5 years. VWAG already has had to delay unrelated product development to scrape money to pay for the rising costs of the scandal. At this rate, I won't be surprised if it hits $30 or $40 billion when it's all said and done.
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.. former defender/discovery I+II/rr classic/series IIa driver ... Poor on road manners and too basic? Really? Not for me.
Me too. I bought my Wrangler after owning, restoring & selling several vintage Land Rovers over the past 26 years; 63, 69 & 71 SIIA swb and a SIII Air Portable. I almost bought a D-90 instead of my Rubicon, but glad I didn't.
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That is really terrible news about the RS6 (beautiful car btw).

Funny thing is (or no-so-funny) VW denies the diesel gate impact to the value of other vehicles (VW, Audi etc.). Our VW sales manager argues that VW/Audi etc. residuals were never impacted and have since increased. He makes this argument in-spite the fact that when I was Jeep shopping in June of 2015, he offered me $9k for the Jetta and $18k for the Tiguan. 4 months later, ready to get the Jeep, he offered $4500 for the Jetta and $12,500 on the Tiguan. Now I am no engineer like so many others on this forum, but that's a $10k loss in 4 months.

Diesel-gate is a really sad situation that took forever to come to a close and VW, I believe, did their best. While none of us will ever be made completely whole, to hold onto the vehicle with that much $$ on the table is simply bad business.
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Funny thing is (or no-so-funny) VW denies the diesel gate impact to the value of other vehicles (VW, Audi etc.). Our VW sales manager argues that VW/Audi etc. residuals were never impacted and have since increased. He makes this argument in-spite the fact that when I was Jeep shopping in June of 2015, he offered me $9k for the Jetta and $18k for the Tiguan. 4 months later, ready to get the Jeep, he offered $4500 for the Jetta and $12,500 on the Tiguan. Now I am no engineer like so many others on this forum, but that's a $10k loss in 4 months.
Stories like mine and yours, and my wife's (traded in her 2006 A6 3.2 for $1500, no joke the best offer we got in a couple weeks of looking around when we bought her Jeep), that make me want to seek a class-action against VAG for loss of resale value due to tarnished brand...

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I, too, had a Land Rover (Disco Series II LE7):



I have had 10 Jeeps over the years, so I did not use VW funds to purchase them. But, I do have a 1.9L TDI (Not recalled ... yet) and will not be getting rid of it:



I am actually considering a diesel swap on my current Jeep. I have loved all my Jeeps and the overwhelming con has always been fuel efficiency. Obviously, it's a Jeep, it's not designed for great fuel efficiency (Yet), but being able to take the Jeep on more of my longer road trips would be great. A 1600 mile road trip costs me $96 in fuel for the TDI and $380 in fuel for the Jeep. Easy choice, though never as fun of a drive when not in the Jeep.

Good to see some TDI / Land Rover guys picking up Jeeps!

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Stories like mine and yours, and my wife's (traded in her 2006 A6 3.2 for $1500, no joke the best offer we got in a couple weeks of looking around when we bought her Jeep), that make me want to seek a class-action against VAG for loss of resale value due to tarnished brand...

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We thought about doing the same. Unfortunately, when we looked into it, it really wasn't worth the time and money. We were fortunate enough to be in a position to wait it out and, in the end, really came out on top. Wish it worked out that way for everyone.

If you would like, PM me all the info for the RS6 that you can think of (color int/ext), mileage, maintenance, issues, condition, options, pics etc). I can talk to some people and see about getting maybe getting this thing moved for you.
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Wow- I guess that is why I started the thread. Had no idea so many VW owners wanted to go to the Jeep and do find it interesting. I’m usually a stickler for German vehicles but their maintenance over the years can get expensive and. Then I tried British- that’s a whole other can of worms and I will never buy another.

Other-Erik, sorry to hear about the RS6. That’s pretty bad but you will recover (albeit painfully). VW has now stung me twice (although I must admit they were pretty nice to give me too much for my beat up sportwagen).

Jac04- nice. I had a restored Series IIa SWB too, wanted to post the pic, but it’s a jeep forum! Very nice run of series trucks you had. I always loved the D90’s until I moved to the UK and realized it is more image over here than anything else. For the life of me I cannot understand why anyone would buy an old D90 from the 90s for 60k+ when you could have a Rubicon.. In my humble opinion Ford/Land Rover killed its original legacy when they killed the support of the older models and went down a different path starting with the LR3. The community I enjoyed back in the earlier days has also all but disappeared, that’s why I’m here and regret not converting to jeep sooner. I have been very impressed with Jeep generally adhering to its legacy. The only other vehicle I think that also has somewhat of a legacy is the gwagon, but that is mostly a status symbol in the US.

JKScott17- nice point. That’s one reason I want the manual!

Sigyfreud- good luck with your next purchase. German cars are often driver’s cars, I fully understand your wife’s opinion. Yet I couldn’t help but notice how many Germans also like the Wrangler and buy a Wrangler. I am not surprised by Mercedes’ initial interest in Chrysler when they first merged with it. The Wrangler legacy has many similar characteristics to the legacy of some classic German vehicles.

Dotcom001- thanks for the input; what is your concern over the daily driver? I’m probably a little “out there” as I used a 1971 Series IIa military truck as a daily driver for over a year. It only did 45 mph and was a beotch to parallel park in tight spaces since it had only manual steering. Loved it and regret selling it. I’m not into soft rides and plush interiors. In fact, I would be very interested in a HR if it came with full manual controls (doors, windows, etc). Eventually I would probably want to get a second runabout (maybe even an older jeep) but right now I’m interested in keeping life simple.

Nice job speedracer5.0- congrats, nice truck.

Opelgt21- yeah, I thought I was one of the first VW buybacks. It took forever. I guess I could have purchased a Jeep sooner and waited on the check, but I thought it was too good to be true until I actually got the check. I do like a good radio, will get into that later hopefully when I start a build thread..

Texas_chris- nice timing. Agree with your sentiments 110%. Had originally put money down on one of the unused tdi’s still sitting on the dealer lot for when it became available, but I asked for my money back because I’m skeptical of the fix. At best it will require more maintenance and hindered fuel economy. At worst, well- that could be anything.. I will miss the mpg, but that’s it. It was funny stopping at gas stations for a restroom break instead of a fillup. I went from eastern shore Maryland to Indianapolis on 1 13.5 gallon tank of diesel. That’s a record for me.. I like being up higher, which sounds like your Ram definitely does. Great truck. Only other complaint about the Jeep is I wish it could tow more..

Thanks again everyone. I’m currently located on the eastern shore of MD, not sure how long I’ll be here, but hope to cross paths.
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That being said......you will LOVE the Jeep as your DD!
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Rick- will plan to call you when I confirm a Jeep order. Nice pics. I used my sportwagen to haul my canoes/kayaks. Planning on some quick upgrades depending on whether or not I like the Recon edition vs Hard Rock.

Sorry to hear continued stories on VW resale value. I do feel fortunate to get out of mine. I've got mixed feelings on the scandal. I do think US media likes drama and often felt the scandal is overblown (knowing many other manufacturers have done the same) yet at the same time it doesn't make it right.

Hoping when the dust settles the resale value will increase again.. for everyone's sake.
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There's definitely been a hit to Audi owners. We traded in the wife's two owner 2009 A4 with 35K miles and a minor wreck on the history back in 2013 and got $22K trade-in. This summer we traded in her 2013 A4 with no wrecks and only 18K miles to the same dealer and only got $20K trade-in. That 2013 had a $10K higher MSRP than the 2009 as well. I traded my 2015 Audi Q5 in on my 2017 JKUS. I had to fight tooth and nail to get $36K trade-in for a < 2 year old car with a $50K sticker. The car is still sitting at the Jeep dealer 3 months later and has been marked down to $34K.

Right after getting rid of both Audis we received recall notices for the emissions software. :-)
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I am not part of dieselgate, but VW's have always been a part of me: I learned to drive in a early '80's vw rabbit (old golf), then drove occasionally a vw bus in high school whenever my dad would let me. In college I had an old bug, had three passats in a row, giving up the last station wagon variant for the jeep.
I really only have good things to say about VW in my experience, I just grew apart..., family got bigger and they had nothing really appealing at the time (they still don't) did not care for a rebadged, overpriced chrysler minivan.
Without even seeing it yet, the new Atlas three-row SUV seems boring.. don't think I'm ever going back to VW....

Years ago I drove in a ~'03 golf TDI manual transmission from Detroit-Chicago back in forth for around 10 gallons of fuel, could not believe the amazing MPG of that vehicle
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If you would like, PM me all the info for the RS6 that you can think of (color int/ext), mileage, maintenance, issues, condition, options, pics etc). I can talk to some people and see about getting maybe getting this thing moved for you.
Done and done. Very frustrating to see RS6's getting picked up at auction for $9-10.5k needing 10k worth of work to get running and mine sits at a much more reasonable all-in price needing nothing to blow by 911's all day long...

@sistrus - thanks, getting stung pretty hard here, the RS was a $21k vehicle before dieselgate broke and now... well yea, not so much. :\

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My wife's 2009 Audi Q7 TDI is part of the newly announced 3.0TDI buyback... went and we grabbed her a new 2016 Jeep SRT Night to replace it. (still have the Q7... just sitting in the driveway waiting for the buyback process.) So now we have 2 Jeeps.
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