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Old 12-29-2012, 10:13 AM   #31
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The Jeep dealers in my area offer $1000 off for simply for being a USAA memeber. That might be something to look into.

Also, they're not going to give you numbers until they know what they can offer you. My work car (Ford Fusion) was ordered in July, was supposed to be delivered in November, and as best as we can tell, I might not have it until Mid January. Stuff happens

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Old 12-29-2012, 11:07 AM   #32
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I understand your points. However, this was 2 days or so before the original delivery estimate. I was hoping to get the numbers to start getting my financing in order. I would say yes, if I asked two weeks out, it would be unreasonable because of all the variables you mentioned. It just raised the hackles a bit when I made my request and for the large part, ignored and just told to fill out their credit app.
It is still kind of unreasonable to ask them to do it. You should know what you need for financing. You should know what they are selling your vehicle to you for. You can figure out your taxes and fees. You don't plan on purchasing the add ins, so those don't increase the price. If you have a trade, you should have an idea of what to expect. You should also have an idea of what your down payment is.

For the most part, when I was approved for a loan, it wasn't for a specific amount, but up to an amount slightly higher than what I figured I would need. If you need the dealership to figure out your dollars, you are more likely to let them be in control.

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Old 12-29-2012, 11:10 AM   #33
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Why don't you figure out all the numbers based on the original order form, go to Penfed,org and get a loan from them at 1.5% and show up with a check. Game over. Who cares about the dealer, just pay what you contracted for and be done with them.
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:31 AM   #34
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I bought my JK after the original customer refused it after it was ordered for him. I don't know whether or not the original customer put down a deposit. When I went inside to negotiate my price, the sales manager called the original customer with a "last chance" offer to accept delivery. When the customer declined, I drove it outta there. So, if you refused to take delivery, I think the dealer will simply have to sell the unit to someone else.
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:51 AM   #35
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Before we ordered our Sahara a few weeks ago I was calling around to several dealers to try and get a feel of what I might expect if we went there and started negotiating.

One dealer that I had only talked to over the phone twice and had never actually met in person asked me the particulars of what we came up with on the "Build Your Own" website. As soon as I finished listing everything he said that he just ordered it for me. No money down, no signing of papers, no verbal agreement or anything.

I thought that was rather bold of them to do that (my wife said "ballsy) and I made it clear that I I did not feel obligated in any way to buy it from them because of that. I hope they took me seriously because, although we did visit that dealer later on, we ended up ordering it from somewhere else because of their low-ball offer on our trade-in.

I just looked at the inventory for similar configured Saharas and that one is in transit to that dealer right now. Maybe ours won't be too far behind.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:47 PM   #36
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What I am suspicious of is not getting back to me about the numbers of what we verbally agreed upon.
As you should be. My grandfather who spent his life as an attorney once told me "Verbal agreements are worth their weight in gold.". It took me several lessons to get that through my thick head, but he was right.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:53 PM   #37
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As you should be. My grandfather who spent his life as an attorney once told me "Verbal agreements are worth their weight in gold.". It took me several lessons to get that through my thick head, but he was right.
Depends on the nature of the contract and whether or not a written contract is generally expected for that type of agreement. Also depends a great deal on the legal jurisdiction and the body of case law where you reside.

A verbal contract to mow a lawn, for example, is probably fine whereas a contract to purchase a jeep with 60 months of payments from a dealer is expected (and actually required because of notice provisions) to have a written contract.
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Depends on the nature of the contract and whether or not a written contract is generally expected for that type of agreement. Also depends a great deal on the legal jurisdiction and the body of case law where you reside.

A verbal contract to mow a lawn, for example, is probably fine whereas a contract to purchase a jeep with 60 months of payments from a dealer is expected (and actually required because of notice provisions) to have a written contract.
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:05 PM   #39
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I would never put any money down without the numbers on trade and final cost outlined and in writing, signed by the sales manager......you are opening yourself up to some playing with the numbers later on. If nothing was signed and you back out...you might get your money back, depends on the dealer.
I ordered a 2008 Silverado dually, got a firm number on a trade of a 2005 2500 and when the new one came in the salesman balked a the trade number...I just showed him the paperwork, he had no choice but to complete the deal..
If you paid the deposit by credit card you can protest the payment if you have to back out.
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:27 PM   #40
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i think its the dealer. i bought a jeep last year. and i wanted the tinted window option but when it came and i pick it up the windows where not tinted. i was pissed. but my dealer hooked me up with a deal at the local body shop and i got them back windows tinted for about 150 dollars less then dealership.
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Old 12-29-2012, 04:44 PM   #41
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I bought my JK after the original customer refused it after it was ordered for him. I don't know whether or not the original customer put down a deposit. When I went inside to negotiate my price, the sales manager called the original customer with a "last chance" offer to accept delivery. When the customer declined, I drove it outta there. So, if you refused to take delivery, I think the dealer will simply have to sell the unit to someone else.
My dealer also mentioned that ordering wasn't an obligation to buy. And he literally told me wranglers sell like hotcakes, as in if I don't pick it up, he can sell it elsewhere !!
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:30 PM   #42
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Ok. I'm a dealer. Specifically Business Manager. If anyone ever ordered a Wrangler and then wanted to back out I would want to find out why of course. But in the end if they didn't want the Wrangler we would simply sell it to someone else. How do you think I got my 13 Crush?
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:03 PM   #43
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Just a quick update. Thankfully some of my fears were for the most part unfounded. My JKS came in 12/31 and I picked her up yesterday 01/01! So a pleasant surprise to start the New Year!

The dealership was discombobulated where I had to wait probably an hour more than I had to. The "prep" work was amateur at best and the full tank of gas translated to 3/4 of a tank.

The plus is the finances mgr didn't try anything only AFTER I told him I didn't want any extras and he obliged, no questions asked.

Aside all of that, I now finally have it and the rest of the above is history!

My posting here was just to find out if things went south to just be prepared.

Thanks to everyone who posted.

More postings to follow!
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