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Old 02-20-2011, 05:06 PM   #31
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Cool, So with the full suspension set off a rubi (does it matter if its 4dr or 2 dr?) I'd gain about 2"? How much is worth it for a used set with 10k miles on them: "Front & Rear springs all 4 shocks, front & rear lower axel track bars, front track bar, front & rear sway bar end links and bump stops"
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The only thing you can count on from a Rubicon suspension is gas shocks. The coils could be anywhere within the entire mid to high range.

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Old 02-20-2011, 05:32 PM   #32
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If I put a 2'' lift kit on my 2010 sport whats the biggest tire I can put on it? I have 30'' tires. Also whats the point of a lift kit what will it do?

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35" will be fine with a 2" lift. Note that if you add a lift and big tires your mpg and power will go down.

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Old 02-20-2011, 06:13 PM   #33
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I'm new to Jeeps, are Rubicons that much better than Sports? Where will they go that a Sport can't?
A LOT of "where will the vehicle go" depends on the driver's skills, but here are the differences between a 2011 Sport-S model and Rubicon:

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2011 Wrangler Sport-S model vs Rubicon

According to the Official Jeep Site - 4x4 SUV, Sport Utility Vehicle website, the base 2-door Rubicon is $5,000 (retail) more than a base 2-door Sport-S model. The price difference may vary according to whatever deal you can get.

Rubicon has these features over and above the Sport-S model:

• Dana 44 HD front axle
• front & rear locking differentials
• Gear operated limited-slip rear differential (no clutches) when not locked
• 4:1 transfer case ratio (instead of 2.72 ratio)
• 4.10 axle ratio (instead of 3.21 or 3.73)
• electronic disconnect front anti-sway bar
• heavy-duty gas-charged shocks
• heavier duty coil springs, front & rear
• Rock-Rails, protect the lower body near the doors
• height adjustable driver's seat
• choice of two interior color combinations
• BFG Mud Terrain tires (Sport-S has AT tires)
• One year Sirius Satellite radio subscription
• 368 watt, 7 speaker Infinity Sound System with subwoofer
• leather wrapped steering wheel
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Old 02-21-2011, 07:13 AM   #34
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Rubicon has these features over and above the Sport-S model:

• Dana 44 HD front axle
• front & rear locking differentials
• Gear operated limited-slip rear differential (no clutches) when not locked
• 4:1 transfer case ratio (instead of 2.72 ratio)
• 4.10 axle ratio (instead of 3.21 or 3.73)
• electronic disconnect front anti-sway bar
• heavy-duty gas-charged shocks
• heavier duty coil springs, front & rear
• Rock-Rails, protect the lower body near the doors
• height adjustable driver's seat
• choice of two interior color combinations
• BFG Mud Terrain tires (Sport-S has AT tires)
• One year Sirius Satellite radio subscription
• 368 watt, 7 speaker Infinity Sound System with subwoofer
• leather wrapped steering wheel
Correction: The base Sport-S model also comes with the height-adjustable driver's seat.

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Old 02-21-2011, 09:02 AM   #35
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Correction: The base Sport-S model also comes with the height-adjustable driver's seat.

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Old 02-21-2011, 12:39 PM   #36
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My 2010 base Sport (base, not the S) came with the driver seat that is adjustable in height. Did not come with leather steering wheel, or AC, or power windows/locks...
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Really though you could get as an option just about everything a Rubi had through the different packages be it S, mountain, islander, Sahara or just special orders except the first six listed.

• Dana 44 HD front axle
• front & rear locking differentials
• Gear operated limited-slip rear differential (no clutches) when not locked
• 4:1 transfer case ratio (instead of 2.72 ratio)
• 4.10 axle ratio (instead of 3.21 or 3.73)
• electronic disconnect front anti-sway bar


PS forgot one, the Rubicon sticker
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So its better, but the Sport is still good enough?
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Old 02-21-2011, 01:35 PM   #39
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So its better, but the Sport is still good enough?
Of course a Sport is "good enough." The modern Sport is one of the most capable offroad stock vehicles ever produced.

There are others that may perhaps be even better--like a Rubicon--but it's hard to knock any 4wd Wrangler in terms of offroad capability. The clearance, entry/departure angles, solid axles, ease of cleaning and access to parts for repair, etc. is tough to beat.

That's particularly true when you consider the availability and ease of installation of aftermarket parts. As is, your Sport is a great offroad vehicle. The only thing I'd recommend to start is to put some real tires on it, if you haven't already.

Beyond that, take it stock to go offroading with others who know what they're doing, stick around here and learn about the different kinds of mods you can do, and spend the next 10 years crafting it into the perfect Jeep for you.

Quit worrying.
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Old 02-21-2011, 05:12 PM   #40
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Of course a Sport is "good enough." The modern Sport is one of the most capable offroad stock vehicles ever produced.

There are others that may perhaps be even better--like a Rubicon--but it's hard to knock any 4wd Wrangler in terms of offroad capability. The clearance, entry/departure angles, solid axles, ease of cleaning and access to parts for repair, etc. is tough to beat.

That's particularly true when you consider the availability and ease of installation of aftermarket parts. As is, your Sport is a great offroad vehicle. The only thing I'd recommend to start is to put some real tires on it, if you haven't already.

Beyond that, take it stock to go offroading with others who know what they're doing, stick around here and learn about the different kinds of mods you can do, and spend the next 10 years crafting it into the perfect Jeep for you.

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X2, a good point that a lot of people forget is how cheap it is to beef these things up. Ive put aftermarket bumpers on an xterra, frontier, and discovery, and Ive never paid less than 800 for one, not to mention how much more expensive lifts and parts are for other offroad vehicles. I put a winch and bumper and lift on my wrangler for under a grand.
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Old 02-22-2011, 07:32 AM   #41
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So its better, but the Sport is still good enough?
As others have said, the Sport is a GREAT 4x4 vehicle. Any Wrangler is a very, capable off-road vehicle.

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Old 02-22-2011, 08:14 AM   #42
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So its better, but the Sport is still good enough?
A lot of people, myself included, prefer to buy the sport and build it up over buying a Rubicon. So yes, its good enough.
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So its better, but the Sport is still good enough?
They have only been making the rubicon since 2003, but the wrangler has been the king of offroad since it was called a willys.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:27 PM   #44
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Really though you could get as an option just about everything a Rubi had through the different packages be it S, mountain, islander, Sahara or just special orders except the first six listed.

• Dana 44 HD front axle
• front & rear locking differentials
• Gear operated limited-slip rear differential (no clutches) when not locked
• 4:1 transfer case ratio (instead of 2.72 ratio)
• 4.10 axle ratio (instead of 3.21 or 3.73)
• electronic disconnect front anti-sway bar


PS forgot one, the Rubicon sticker
You can get the limited-slip rear differential in a Sahara. Mine has it... I believe it was only an option if you got the 3.73 gears though (I could be wrong about that).
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..and if you're going to do all of that (as listed above) you may as well plan on better gears, bigger tires and do the other little things that even Rubi owners do to make it more trail ready.
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I paid thousands less for my used 07 than I would have for a similar used Rubi. I took a portion of that cash & upfitted mine to wheel much much better than it did stock.

As stated above, it all depends on what you are going to put your jeep through. I have gone up obstacles in Moab W/O spinning a tire or scraping anything, only to have to pull a stock jeep up the same line, scraping, clanging & banging all the way up.

Trails rated a 5 or 6 out of ten is all I'll ever do. They have 24 to 30 inch ledges & very steep accents & decents. I've never needed a front locker, (even in snow) a winch, or more lift to run them W/O damage. If I wanted to do the uglier stuff I would have built a buggy, lol.

My details are in my sig, good luck with your build, I'd definatley keep you jeep & mod it up to where you need it. That being said, if I were to wake up tomorrow & see Rubicon stickers on my hood, it would be a great day!!!
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:27 PM   #47
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Hey Avalon I've got a set of HD coils you can have.

I took them out at 10K and put in Old Man Emu HD's.
I'm in West Seattle if you wan't em.
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Asked this very same ? And was my very 1st post on any forum... The general consensus was "why? The money you would spend to do so you can take and modify your sport to take on a rubi" and "if you really stuck on having a rubi, trade your sport in and buy a used model and you will save in the long run".

Nothing has change since I still have a sport and I still want a rubicon : )

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Old 02-24-2011, 07:16 PM   #49
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I didn't see anything that shows a height difference. The wheels have nothing to do with it since they both sit on 32" tires.
exactly...doesn't matter if the Sahara came with 20's...still on a 32" tall tire.




Anyway...to the original poster...If you want a Rubicon, sell the sport and buy one.
Otherwise just be happy with the sport and build it as you go. Add your own wheels and tires, suspension...ect...
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I think Chrysler made a mistake when they dropped the "Off Road" package option on the X.
Maybe they realized it was too much competiton and dropped the option to boost Rubicon sales.
I bought a very well equipped 07 X that was almost 15 grand below the Rubicon at the time.21k vs 35k.

At the time the "Off Road" package option included:
4:10 axles, Dana44 limited slip differential, 4:1 low ratio transfer case, HD springs and nitro shocks, 17" alloys with BFG mud terrians, full skid plates, fog lights, tow hooks, hard top, power convenience group, AC, adjustable seat, bluetooth and of course the "Trail Rated" badges in my favorite "Jeep Green" color.

If I had to go out and buy all this stuff the yes, I might as well kick down the extra 15 grand for the Rubicon.
At the time it was a very inexpensive option and the X has proven to be even more capable off road then I ever expected.
Beats the pants off my modifed XJ and 4Runner.

Just waiting for a Rubi take off front axle and ARB air locker for the rear to make it complete.
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Wow, I never heard that before, nor of any with those options. How much was that option?
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Of course I wouldn't mind having a Rubicon, but

1) Based on the type of off-roading I do, it is unlikely that I'll ever NEED a Dana 44 front or 4:1 TC ratio.

2) I have already formed an attachment to my Sport, and I wouldn't be able to sell it.

I'll go the slow route, upgrading as it becomes necessary for me. In the end it'll probably be cheaper because I won't need some of that expensive stuff, and some of it I'll be able to upgrade at a lower price (i.e. I won't need e-discos, I'll go with a cheaper, manual alternative).

Then, when my baby is paid off in 2016, I'll go buy a 75th Anniversary model Rubicon and have TWO awesome Jeeps. At least, that's how it happens in my dreams.
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Nothing has change since I still have a sport and I still want a rubicon
Not to be a smart ass (OK, maybe a little) the best way to convert a Sport to a Rubicon is easily performed with the aid of a checkbook.

Your nearest dealer will happily help you with the process.
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Not to be a smart ass (OK, maybe a little) the best way to convert a Sport to a Rubicon is easily performed with the aid of a checkbook.

Your nearest dealer will happily help you with the process.
Why u quote me? Makes no sense to modify a sport. I myself don't have time to do such modifications. Come spring going to look into an 05/06 rubicon. But yes I did ask the ? like the original poster of this thread back a ways : p

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