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Old 04-14-2014, 06:52 PM   #1
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We green folks learn “our” limitations.

Apparently the limits are greater between the ears of the driver rather than between the wheels of the JK. We have a 2013 JKU Freedom ed. Sport. (321 gears) I added a TF 2.5 spring lift, rancho 9000s, 33x12.50x15” Duratracs and TF quick discos. In other words a very mild Jeep, in fact it’s my wife’s daily driver. I have read we don’t have enough gear(321), I've read we don’t have tall enough tires (33s) we don’t have a Rubicon…and on…and on. We signed up for a Jeep Jamboree to Palo Duro Canyon in May and have been worried to a point as to “maybe that’s more than our Jeep is set up for”.


So we decided to go to Superlift in Hot Springs Arkansas for some testing and some learning. We did both to be sure. We say to ourselves ok we will start out with the level 1 trails. (They are rated from “1 easy” to “5 impossible except for supermodifieds like the kind on ESPN”, and they are that precisely!
We take nearly all the level 1 trails and say “ that was fun and we had no problems, let’s do some second level trails and see how it goes”. So we air down to 20 PSI and disconnect. “Snake” is one of the Badge of Honor trails (a two). All the two’s were even more fun than the one’s by a long shot. With hills steep enough and with rocks big enough to make them very difficult just to walk up, our jeep acted like it was nothing more than a cattle path. We spent the rest of the day feeling our oats and in awe of what this JK will do.



After a nights sleep, Of course we said, I don’t know about those level three’s, we should talk to the guys at the front and just see what they think about two newbie’s going on level 3 trails with our “vanilla” Jeep, and not having lockers or a whole list of other items.


They said the real limitation is in the driver (I pondered that for quite a while) and they said that once into one of the trails he mapped for us, we were committed (you can’t turn around and the only branches off those trails were level 4s and 5s. They recommended we go with someone else and follow them to be on the safe side. So we just went for it by ourselves and our Hi Lift jack LOL…. Boulders, hills that had loose rock chunks, steep hills with tight turn’s uphill and down. Near the top of trail L7 I believe, we laughed as the left front wheel was in the air. On another I’m spotting as my wife tested the skid plates and rock sliders to the limit on a downhill into a ravine that we really did not think we were going to get out of….
We used to like amusement parks,,,they can’t hold a candle.


OK we did take some heavy scratches and a fender got crunched a bit, and the red paint has to be redone on the Riddler dif cover, but it truly was a great time and learning experience. (we bought the yearly membership at Superlift) and a Tee shirt!


This post is for new folks (like us) who really don’t/didn’t know what they are driving. We took our sport model with little mods to some pretty severe places. Practice common sense, be careful and really enjoy the best that is Jeeping. They were right; The real limitation is the driver not the machine.
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Old 04-14-2014, 06:59 PM   #2
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Well done! Great story!

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Old 04-14-2014, 07:00 PM   #3
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Sounds like you and the lady are enjoying your jeep the right way, have fun...
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That's great! Glad to hear you're enjoying and using your Jeep!! Many adventures to come!
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Kudos! My bone stock Sport girl Jeep with factory baby 32 inch tires has crawled moderate level rocks as well with just some minor clunks and rock rash. Do not underestimate a stock Jeep-it is no Prius to be sure! Glad you took it out and saw what it could do! Most fun you will ever have....at 3 miles an hour lol!
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Indeed we did, I wished the few pics I took did it justice. That one on the bottom right, that hill was so steep i was in the process of sliding down hill where I busted my butt. It's the only reason I kept that shot... Never got shots of the really great stuff, too busy trying to drive or spot for my wife.
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Thanks man! You might have convinced me to head to a jamboree after all. So far all I've had a chance to do is old logging roads and dunes.
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Indeed we did, I wished the few pics I took did it justice. That one on the bottom right, that hill was so steep i was in the process of sliding down hill where I busted my butt. It's the only reason I kept that shot... Never got shots of the really great stuff, too busy trying to drive or spot for my wife.

Thats why you go with a group lol! When we run, a good portion of every ride is folks getting out, stopping or standing on seats to take pics of either scenery or Jeeps! And most folks do bring cameras. "Hey lookie at this pic of my Jeep on one tire in a precarious lean over that big sharp rock dude!" Or my favorite "Hey I know you are tilted sideways but can you hold that pose a sec so I can get a pic?" LOL
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Thats why you go with a group lol! When we run, a good portion of every ride is folks getting out, stopping or standing on seats to take pics of either scenery or Jeeps! And most folks do bring cameras. "Hey lookie at this pic of my Jeep on one tire in a precarious lean over that big sharp rock dude!" Or my favorite "Hey I know you are tilted sideways but can you hold that pose a sec so I can get a pic?" LOL
That is too funny,,, my wife says as she is going over some really ugly boulders " hey aren't you supposed to be telling me how the tires are supposed to be going over/ through those rocks and not taking a photo op!!!

I say hell nobody is gonna believe this, I,m not sure I believe it....
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Thanks man! You might have convinced me to head to a jamboree after all. So far all I've had a chance to do is old logging roads and dunes.
Brother, We took it to deer leases and Ranches and thought, this booger really runs off road, We really and truly had no idea. The stuff we ran the second day was crazy. You look up the hills and say, "there is no damb way it can make it up that" amazing and I don't use that term loosely.

It was big fun that we will be doing again real soon...
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great story, good to see you learning and enjoying your jeep. i miss the trails and wish i could find some places close to me like that.
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Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
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This is Bonecollector's better half. If anyone would have told me a year ago that I would spend 3 days rock crawling in a Jeep and enjoying the living daylights out of it- I would have told them they were crazy. Never would have thought that this stuff would be so much fun... I'm not sure what Bonecollector enjoyed more - driving the jeep or seeing me brave enough to even think I would want to drive over most of that stuff. LOL!! Yes we are enjoying the hell out of our JK - "Blue."

My advice to all is- Do not be afraid!!!
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It constantly amazes me what a near stock JK will do. BLD is a tremendous addition and the single best confidence builder in the JK... it laughs off obstacles a near stock TJ would struggle with. Sure the larger tire sizes with a small lift do wonders in their own right, but having a near equivalent to lockers via some fancy programming in each and every Wrangler trim level is the unsung hero of the JK's off-road prowess.

Next up for you guys - Moab!

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This is Bonecollector's better half. If anyone would have told me a year ago that I would spend 3 days rock crawling in a Jeep and enjoying the living daylights out of it- I would have told them they were crazy. Never would have thought that this stuff would be so much fun... I'm not sure what Bonecollector enjoyed more - driving the jeep or seeing me brave enough to even think I would want to drive over most of that stuff. LOL!! Yes we are enjoying the hell out of our JK - "Blue."

My advice to all is- Do not be afraid!!!
Glad to see a family team on the board! Welcome Mrs Bonecollector!
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That's a very nice looking rig, and a great story.

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I've found out in the last year that a Rubicon is not needed in 90% of offroad situations. I have a 2013 Sport in Commando Green. It only had a Teraflex 2" leveling kit and Rancho 9000XL shocks. I'm running 32" BFG Mudterrain KM's. No lockers, no LSDs. I've been every single place my buddies with Rubicons, Saharas, and ever other more heavily modded sports have been. Mine is the only plain stock Jeep.

So far the mod that made the most difference is the shocks. That being said, I'm looking into a regear to 4.1 and at least a front locker. I need rock sliders more than anything. The poor nerf bar I put on so my wife and daughters could get in has taken a beating.
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I've found out in the last year that a Rubicon is not needed in 90% of offroad situations. I have a 2013 Sport in Commando Green. It only had a Teraflex 2" leveling kit and Rancho 9000XL shocks. I'm running 32" BFG Mudterrain KM's. No lockers, no LSDs. I've been every single place my buddies with Rubicons, Saharas, and ever other more heavily modded sports have been. Mine is the only plain stock Jeep.

So far the mod that made the most difference is the shocks. That being said, I'm looking into a regear to 4.1 and at least a front locker. I need rock sliders more than anything. The poor nerf bar I put on so my wife and daughters could get in has taken a beating.
You are right about the Rancho's, they are really great. The disco's helped along with airing down as well. The rock sliders and skid pans saved some definite body damage and possibly a fuel tank on the rocks (and a certain tree I wont mention). This is Rugergirl's daily driver and we tried to keep it sort of "sane" that way. A gear, some C gussets and an ARB locker would not be too far out I don't believe. I mean she can still make it comfortably to work in it.

I'm seriously looking at changing my company vehicle over to a JK Rubi X in place of the F250 SD 4x4 I drive now. Getting quotes and planning for gear upgrades and the likes. Anvil, white, or the Granite,,,,,not sure yet.

Always wanted a Jeep (for forty years) and now we have one, its really all I want to drive, on or off road.
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Glad y'all are enjoying your jeep, be warned though if you keep at it there is all way the possibility that you will get bored of one lvl of trail and move up to tougher stuff. For your wallets sake I hope not . Have fun and keep the rubber on the ground, most of the time at least.
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Glad y'all are enjoying your jeep, be warned though if you keep at it there is all way the possibility that you will get bored of one lvl of trail and move up to tougher stuff. For your wallets sake I hope not . Have fun and keep the rubber on the ground, most of the time at least.
In the car days it was always "how fast do you want to spend", I guess it's now "How steep and rocky or deep and muddy do you want to spend"....
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I consider my JK very conservative 2 inch lift with 33s. But then again I camp and hunt. But I love seeing those bad ass crawlers!!!!


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Old 04-20-2014, 07:40 PM   #22
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Bone, question for you, does your Jeep have the factory LSD?
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Old 04-20-2014, 08:21 PM   #23
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Great story! We are heading to superlift later this year and your story definitely helped our confidence.

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