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Old 08-13-2012, 09:02 AM   #1
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We want a diesel!

I say that we stand up and shout that we want the wrangler to have a diesel engine. We all have been wishing for one for years and Jeep never listens. If they can put a diesel engine in the wrangler and sell it over seas then they can sell one here.

I hear that Jeep is thinking about putting a diesel in the Grand to test the market for diesels. I ask how many people buy Grands in the US want a diesel. I would love to see a diesel Grand, but I want a diesel Wrangler. Jeep is also thinking about a 4 cylinder engine in the Wrangler, this might help in the mpg area but you have 5000+.

So I say,
On November 1, 2012 everyone that wants a diesel in the Wrangler drive down to your local Jeep dealership and prove to Jeep/Chrysler that they're missing out on large market share people.

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The problem with all this demanding is that it was proven time and time again that people LIE all the time. Diesel is expensive. It is being put into GC because GC has expensive trims, so the cost bump of the diesel does not hurt so much. But in Wrangler, lots of forum posters are going to balk at the cost. So everyone clamours for diesel, but in the end it all depends on how much it's going to cost. Only actual sales matter. I, for one, definitely going to wait and see a few years, let someone else sink the money into the diesel.

Note BTW that Wrangler would probably be ok with a 4-cyl 180 hp turbodiesel, but the marketing of the hoursepower requires GC to receive a V-6 diesel, which is a bit more than needed in Wrangler. We already have a Pentastar which is what? 260 hp? Expect the same v-6 migrate eventually, with diesel enthusiasts paying out of pocket.

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Just so you know, this is what the diesel engine looks like in the Wrangler! Its no biggie - Jeep already make a diesel Wrangler - I should know - I have one.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:10 AM   #4
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If one goes into a US model from the factory OP, it won't be until the Wrangler is re done which is scheduled for somewhere between 2014-2016
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Just so you know, this is what the diesel engine looks like in the Wrangler! Its no biggie - Jeep already make a diesel Wrangler - I should know - I have one.
If you bothered to read the first port you'd see that he is aware they already make it. But they don't make it in the US. Of course it's no biggie to you when you can buy one easily at the dealer.
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Old 08-13-2012, 12:37 PM   #6
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2013 RAM diesels have to use that urea stuff to keep emissions down. I think diesel would be a nice option but sucks having to pay for and monitor yet another fluid.
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Yeah, having to pay for urea stuff would suck. But if they put a 4 pot diesel like say Jeep Diesel Conversion then I would be very happy.

Also another point, I don't think people worry about cost of fuel(mpg) if you have a jeep wrangler(more is better,yes, but its not a prius). The plus side to the diesel is that would get a much better mpg. Maybe the cost of fuel would balance it out to zero. But the low end torque would make up for it in enjoyment.
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Just so you know, this is what the diesel engine looks like in the Wrangler! Its no biggie - Jeep already make a diesel Wrangler - I should know - I have one.

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Is that diesel engine reliable? I know they can last but they also go to the shop for some silly expensive repairs. My buddies have proven that with a VW diesel and a Duramax.
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If you bothered to read the first port you'd see that he is aware they already make it. But they don't make it in the US. Of course it's no biggie to you when you can buy one easily at the dealer.
The stupid thing is that the diesel jeep is made in Toledo (I assume the engines are either fully imported from VM or put together from kits) and exported from the USA - its just not sold in the USA.

And they do not use any urea crap - it has a DPF to clean the exhaust of particles.
Yes there were a few DPF issues when they first came out, but they have settled down now and I've not heard of any problems.
The most expensive cost on servicing is the timing belt which from memory is changed around 80000 miles.
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Telling Jeep you want a Diesel is mostly pointless. Yell at the EPA to stop imposing frequent and increasingly restrictive emissions requirements on Diesel fueled vehicles. These requirements drive up the costs of engineering and manufacturing them, thus making them cost prohibitive to sell. Could Jeep sell a $45,000+ Wrangler? Not likely.

The EPA should have a ten year engineering cycle for light truck and auto Diesel major emission revisions.
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Is that diesel engine reliable? I know they can last but they also go to the shop for some silly expensive repairs. My buddies have proven that with a VW diesel and a Duramax.
The engine mechanicals are very reliable. The problems come from turbos, injectors, injector rails, and similar systems. Diesel qualified shops charge more per hour as well.

I have seen people spend an extra five to six thousand dollars for a Diesel engined light truck and then try to cheap out on the frequent oil changes needed to keep them running. Like the mechanic in the Fram oil filter ads used to say - 'Pay me now or pay me a lot later'.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:56 AM   #13
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Absolutely loved my '05 Jeep Liberty diesels. 16 MPGs when towing 7,000 lbs. 26 MPGs when running unloaded. Go wherever I wanted on the trail. Haul the family in safety on vacation. Fit in any parking space. $35 oil changes. ONE repair in the first 75,000 miles out of pocket. Just freaking awesome vehicles. Had 101,000 on the odometer when I traded it in and it was running like a sewing machine. Just beautiful to hear that engine crank on a cold winter morning. Could listen to that sound all day....

Put that in a JKU and I'll be all over it like bees on a honey-covered dog. The 370 lb./ft. @ 1,800 RPMs makes the 3.6L Pentastar look like a lawnmower engine.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:59 AM   #14
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WXman, that is exactly what I am talking about. If America could just wake up!

2five22, your right about the EPA they could go suck a big fat tailpipe. You can't tell me that a diesel wrangler get mpg 28/30 aka the bruiser conversion. - Jeep Wrangler Diesel Conversion
or stated in this post "23.7 mpg in the city and 35.8 mpg on the highway. And if you average that out you get a combined 30 mpg." azoffroading.com - Arizona offroaders' website is worse then the gas engine emissions. The diesel engine would have to be almost twice as bad in emissions compared to the gas engine.

This is would I wish we could stage event to let everyone know that we want a diesel on Nov 1, 2012.
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No we don't.

Diesel is more expensive then premium gas, the emissions is problematic and when repairs are needed the costs are sky high.
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Agreed..

Same here, For years I've thought about having a jeep with a Diesel engine.. and I've even went as far as saving up my spent vegg/corn oil.. Thou I'm not looking forward to spending 14,000 or more just to have a swap take place.. Just gets me that UK can get these kind of Jeeps and we can't due to restrictions here in the States.. Lets hope this will change very soon..
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I've actually backed out of ordering a 2013 because there's so many rumors of a 2014-2015 redesign with a Diesel option
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"Diesel fuel costs more."

It's 3rd grade math folks.

The average U.S. driver puts 15,000 miles per year on a vehicle.

Using my personal, not hear-say, real world results: 26MPGs mixed driving for a CRD, 17 MPGs mixed driving for a gas Jeep...

576 gallons per year for CRD
882 gallons per year for gasoline

If gas is $3.50, that's $3,087 spent per year on fuel
If diesel is $4.50, that's $2,592 spent per year on fuel

That's almost $500 savings per year with diesel fuel a full DOLLAR higher than gasoline. Currently, diesel is NOT a full dollar higher than gasoline and so the savings would be much higher. You could possibly save as much as $1,000 per year on fuel alone if you had a CRD engine right now.
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"Diesel fuel costs more."

It's 3rd grade math folks.

The average U.S. driver puts 15,000 miles per year on a vehicle.

Using my personal, not hear-say, real world results: 26MPGs mixed driving for a CRD, 17 MPGs mixed driving for a gas Jeep...

576 gallons per year for CRD
882 gallons per year for gasoline

If gas is $3.50, that's $3,087 spent per year on fuel
If diesel is $4.50, that's $2,592 spent per year on fuel

That's almost $500 savings per year with diesel fuel a full DOLLAR higher than gasoline. Currently, diesel is NOT a full dollar higher than gasoline and so the savings would be much higher. You could possibly save as much as $1,000 per year on fuel alone if you had a CRD engine right now.
^^ This.

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I wonder what the price difference would be for the diesel option if it were offered here.
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Yes you should. You also need to factor in the large price premium for diesel engine options. Using a Ram for example the diesel engine option adds a mere $8k to the price tag over a gasser. That's another $8k subject to depreciation expense.

Now let's factor in the of repairs. Have you ever priced injector replacement on a diesel engine?
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I wonder what the price difference would be for the diesel option if it were offered here.
The RAM pricing model would probably be a good estimate (around $8k):

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I wonder what the price difference would be for the diesel option if it were offered here.
In 2005/2006 it was $1,800 on the Liberty, which included the diesel engine, alloy wheels, 3.73 gears, and other goodies. It was a bargain to say the least.

If I had to make a guess I would say a JK CRD in the States would add about $2,500 premium to the pricetag now days...but they'd probably bundle it with other options to make it a better deal and add appeal. It won't be like on the Ram trucks where it's a stand-alone option.

It'll take a few years to pay for the option, but after that it's money in your pocket. And the driveability is out of this world... imagine no downshifting, just peak torque as soon as you dip into the throttle. Unless you've driven it you really don't know how awesome that is. When I traded mine in for the gas JK it was a painful learning curve having to make the RPMs scream again to get power from the engine.
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I'd purchase a diesel JK if it was offered.
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No I don't.

Diesel is more expensive then premium gas, the emissions is problematic and when repairs are needed the costs are sky high.
There, I fixed your post. I love my diesel powered Wrangler, and I loved my CRD 2007 Grand Cherokee. Gotta love the torque produced at low power!
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I just bought my 2012 Rubi, hopefully somewhere between 2015-2020 they will release a Diesel Jeep that isn't all dials to shift and electronics to explode. If so I'll upgrade =)
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Now let's factor in the of repairs. Have you ever priced injector replacement on a diesel engine?
+1 for the Pentastar.

I've owned 6 diesels and can assure that the common rail design is susceptable to bad fuel fouling. I've had 2 Cummins 5.9 common rails (an '03 I swapped injto an H1 and an '06 Ram) You might need a set of injectors - they run around $400 each + tubes, possibly a HPCR pump, sensors, etc. The low end torque is amazing, and they are great for towing heavy loads 15K+, but there is always a stormcloud overhead on all the HPCR designs (Ford, Dodge, Chevy). Those parts handle rail pressures in excess of 25,000 psi so they are precision built but do not like any sort of contamination. Add in the DPF's and urea on clean diesels and the improved pentastar performance IMHO more than offsets the gains in mpg and low end torque of the diesel in a wrangler.
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In 2005/2006 it was $1,800 on the Liberty, which included the diesel engine, alloy wheels, 3.73 gears, and other goodies. It was a bargain to say the least.

If I had to make a guess I would say a JK CRD in the States would add about $2,500 premium to the pricetag now days...but they'd probably bundle it with other options to make it a better deal and add appeal. It won't be like on the Ram trucks where it's a stand-alone option.

It'll take a few years to pay for the option, but after that it's money in your pocket. And the driveability is out of this world... imagine no downshifting, just peak torque as soon as you dip into the throttle. Unless you've driven it you really don't know how awesome that is. When I traded mine in for the gas JK it was a painful learning curve having to make the RPMs scream again to get power from the engine.

I bought my 2007 Grand Cherokee CRD new in 07, and if I remember correctly the diesel was about a $2500 option, this vehicle replaced a gas powered 05 Grand Cherokee. The diesel was 20-25% more fuel efficient, and had a towing capacity of 8000 lbs vs the 3500 lbs for the gasser.

Money well spent in my humble opinion.
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I wonder what the price difference would be for the diesel option if it were offered here.
Back home, I think it was $4K. I didn't take much notice as I was going to buy it no matter what.
Just to give you guys some perspective, my JKU was $48K. At the moment the Aussie Dollar and US dollar are at parity
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I have had 3 dodge diesels and friends with many more. I don't know any of them that have had injector issues. My current is an 04 and besides the fuel pump, has not had any other problems at all. I know a couple of people that had the liberty with the crd and they also havn't had any problems but they did get great miles per gallon.

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