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Old 06-29-2013, 04:02 PM   #61
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2013 Sahara owner here and also a newbie to Jeep. The only 2 things I'd like to see improved:

Diesel engine at the same price as the Pentastar.

Better heating in the back seat during winter time.

Except that, I'm really happy with my 'Dozer. I just drove from Montreal (Qc) to Orlando (FL) with it and have nothing to complain about it. I like it so much, I'm now addicted. Mine is still stock and after 6 months of ownership, it still puts a smile on my face when I drive it.

OK, one last thing I'd like to get, a 7th speed on the manual, after going throught those flat and straight highways in NC, SC, GA and FL, my 3.73/6 speed would have liked a 7th gear just to keep the Penta around 2000 rpm at 75 mph cruising speed... Ok, I'm kidding...

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I've wanted a Wrangler for a few years now, but just couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger. I've had a few concerns, most notably, the problem with leaks, especially from the freedom tops. I'm sure many, if not all of my concerns will be taken care of with the 2016 model.

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Only offered in Black, White, or Red.
Diesel and V8 Gas optional.

WHAT A BEAST THAT WOULD BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You saw what fiat did to the Cherokee didn't you?
S in one hand, wish in the other and out comes a Cherokee? Hey Fiat, nice crossover grocery getter.
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Dana 60s both front and rear, with lockers.
40 inch tires, with applicable gearing and lift.
8 speed Automatic, or 9 speed manual options.
19 front and 60 rear springs on all models.
Only offered in Black, White, or Red.
Diesel and V8 Gas optional.

WHAT A BEAST THAT WOULD BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know why restricting the color choices would be a good thing. It's cool that you (apparently) like those colors but that shouldn't mean that other people can't get colors you don't like, right?
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This is what the CJ owners said when they introduced the YJ, which ended up being a better off road vehicle.

This is what the YJ owners said when they introduced the TJ, which ended up being a better off road vehicle.

This is what the TJ owners said when they introduced the JK, which ended up being a better off road vehicle.

This is what the JK owners will say when they introduced the next Wrangler, which will end up being a better of road vehicle.

You were on a roll till you said the jk was better off road than the TJ. After that your credibility vanished
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I want nano technology in the paint and the soft windows that will repair itself from off-road pinstripes and sand.

Take that, future!

Also, LED tail lights would be pretty cool.
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I don't know why restricting the color choices would be a good thing. It's cool that you (apparently) like those colors but that shouldn't mean that other people can't get colors you don't like, right?
Right, color of your choice for sure! I don't know what I was thinking, or was I not thinking? Any way, thank you for pointing this old guy in the right direction, unfortunately, I just get mixed up some times. It happens when my Alzheimer kicks in................
It's really so sad to get old.............
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Right, color of your choice for sure! I don't know what I was thinking, or was I not thinking? Any way, thank you for pointing this old guy in the right direction, unfortunately, I just get mixed up some times. It happens when my Alzheimer kicks in................
It's really so sad to get old.............
Um, you're welcome?
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:03 PM   #70
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1. Modern looks
2. sloped windshield
3. HID+Projector headlights
4. Longer 2 door model
5. Aluminum parts, including tub.
6. 4 cylinder supercharged option
7. Freedom panels over rear seat
8. Motorized convertible option... Even better if it works with a hard top.
9. Full strength bumpers with removable end caps
10. More lift/ground clearance
11. More refined manual transmission experience, most likely with the shifter not directly connected to transmission. Possible electronic shift control.


But id love it no matter what.
Maybe just buy an Audi?
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:28 PM   #71
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You are absolutely right. However, the wrangler is an icon that's stood for 80 years in one form or another. Yes the wrangler of today is indistinguishable from the jeep that won the war. The point is that betraying that legend would be suicide for the jeep brand. The rest of the lineup is too much like every other line of SUV's to stand out without an iconic wrangler.
Those of us that enjoy modifying and wheeling our Wranglers don't make up a significant enough portion of Chryslers overall sales for a drastic shift away from what the Wrangler currently is to be suicide for the brand.

Even if they were to alienate this very small group they would still be able to sell about 195,000 units per year.
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I do miss the days when you could grab an I4, 5 speed, no AC, soft top, half door Wrangler S for $9995 MSRP. A guy digging holes for a living and going to college part-time at night could buy one and have a little fun on the weekends. Not sure you could pull that off these days. If the new Wrangler had a time machine feature, I'd use it to go back and get an old one. The optional 3-speed auto, tilt steering wheel, and power steering were for pansies back then!
These days', I'd just be happy a for a 5.7L HEMI under the hood for the 2016 Wrangler.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:00 AM   #73
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Diesel
Hood lock standard
Upgraded poly hood latches like daystar
Sentry system not deleted w/ half doors
Seat reinforcement in rear jku seat
Carpet replaced with bed linner option
Canvas seats that don't grab dog hair
Grill mesh inserts to protect radiator
Scratch resistant hard top
Dark underside for hard top
Better skid plating for Rubicon
Vacuum pump relocated under the hood
Grade 8 suspension bolts
Grounded swing gate
Removable rear seat head rest
Improved front seat head rest that replace the new annoying head rest
Locking fuel cap
Internal fm antenna
Hood engine lamp light
No interior Chrome
Improved lumbar support
Proximity sensor with alarm
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Yes.

My realistic options:

1. diesel engine - affordable option
2. "bedline' the bottom of the tub, and have an option for inside.
3. Stronger sheet metal, either go thicker or go smarter. Think about thicker gauge aluminum, strong and lightweight.
4. New hood design, the AEV hood is nice, so are some others.
5. Better stereo, and easier to upgrade from to, get rid of the cruddy amp stuff.
6. A better windshield. It doesn't need more sloping, but my TJ windshield held up better.
7. Mirrors mounted to the body and not the doors, or mirrors that can easily transfer when the door are off.
8. A cargo/trunk space that has a well designed, fitted cover. The add-a-trunk options are nice, make them stronger.
9. Fix the middle seat issue in the JKU, and make the back seats easier to remove, like the fold/tilt/remove type from the two doors in two sections.
10. Tough seat fabric!! Dog proof, dog hair proof, washable, weatherproof. What a Jeep should have in it. I really was impressed with the 2013 Ford Fusion seat fabric, recycled stuff that was really nice.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:07 AM   #74
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^^^^^^^^ Yup!!!!!! X 1000.... But I won't be trading mine... too close to what I really wanted now!!!!!!!
The problem won't be in you trading yours - it will be an issue if something ever happens to yours and it gets totaled. I had that happen with my 2003, and I was lucky to get a 2005. If they turn our beloved Wrangler into a grocery getter, eventually we will be stuck with no Wranglers as we know them now.
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Headrests that tilt.

Rear seats that recline.

If we don't get anything that was mentioned in this thread, can we at least get headrests that tilt back & rear seats that actually recline. It's like they totally just overlooked this.
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Better headlights
No more leaks unless I leave the top off..
BETTER REAR SEAT...............
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1 - Keep ladder frame chassis
2 - Keep front and rear rigid lockable axle
3 - Full time 4wd with lockable center diferential
4 - V6 3 litre Diesel engine 240 hp
5 - Better 6 gear manual transmission with the option of 8 speed auto box
6 - Improve belly ground clearance by 2" ( the tank , the gearbox cannot be lower than the chassis)
7 - Disc brakes compatible with 16" wheels with standard backspace
8 - Standard tire size more universal - 255/85R16
9 - Better positioning of the suspension arms connection with the chassis - It cannot be a lower impact point - put it on the side oj the chassis and not underneath it
10 - Solve the location of the disconnect swaybar
11 - Solve the diection wooble with better bolts of the adequate size and a proper caster angle
12- Increase the height of the front , rear and lateral windows to make a better feeling onboard with a better view to the scenery
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I do miss the days when you could grab an I4, 5 speed, no AC, soft top, half door Wrangler S for $9995 MSRP. A guy digging holes for a living and going to college part-time at night could buy one and have a little fun on the weekends.
We can't have that anymore with all the NHTSA and EPA generated requirements and other enhancements that cost big $$$$ (R&D) and have to be paid for over many years and many units and those requirements change and grow -- rinse, repeat. The extra frills we get, at a mark up, help to pay for the R&D while also help the populace be more, um, "accepting" of the higher prices, somewhat forced as they are.
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Rear tool trunk delete in favor of a more solid floor to hold a heavier cargo load. I do like the location of the jack but that could be placed under a seat.
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Those of us that enjoy modifying and wheeling our Wranglers don't make up a significant enough portion of Chryslers overall sales for a drastic shift away from what the Wrangler currently is to be suicide for the brand.

Even if they were to alienate this very small group they would still be able to sell about 195,000 units per year.
I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. The wrangler _makes_ the jeep lineup. Without a wrangler with the sort of aftermarket and off road support that the model has today, the jeep line turns into just another Chrysler suv. It wouldn't immediately fall off the face of the planet, but it would quickly fade into mediocrity.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:57 PM   #81
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How about Half Doors With the dual top group. Maybe a Plastic piece that lets it mold with the hard top ?

Besides that i'm stoked for the diesel, but i doubt i'd trade mine in.
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I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. The wrangler _makes_ the jeep lineup. Without a wrangler with the sort of aftermarket and off road support that the model has today, the jeep line turns into just another Chrysler suv. It wouldn't immediately fall off the face of the planet, but it would quickly fade into mediocrity.
While I agree with your statement, there is room for it to be both. Builders will always complain about loaded ones or how new models suck compared to what they have, bit new models with comfort options are what make new models livable for dd's. Since most builders work with older models, creature comforts are what's needed to keep the line going.

Honestly, if the diesel gets 30 mpg, I will trade in a heartbeat because that is something I could live with if I have to commute again. The reason I allowed myself to get my wrangler was because I am working from home. Wants are great, but something's are just too $$$ to live with.
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How about wheels that not only look good but have the back spacing for a 12" wide tire. Maybe that could be a rubicon wheel. A heavy duty spare tire mount that could compete with an after market. Onboard air. A power outlet that could handle the load of a power tool like a drill or pancake compressor. A non carpet cargo area including the backing of the rear seat on a jku. Make the cargo area more utilitarian.
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No nav
No radio
No heated seats
No auto lamps
No electric windows
No auto connect
No air conditioning
No plastic fascia's nor valance's
No plastic fender flares
Of course this stuff could all be optional for the hummer drivers that now want a JEEP; But then the options below would be worth having!
Dana 44's standard; D 60's option
35" tires standard; 37's optional
A real roll cage
A real choice of gearing options from 3.73 all the way thru 5.38
Selectable lockers optional on all trim levels
4:1 Transfer case optional on all trim levels
Manual tranny with a true low gear.
Just a damn JEEP with out all the lace and frills!!
What this guy said!^^^^

PLUS
Waterproof interior
Let it RAIN!
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I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. The wrangler _makes_ the jeep lineup. Without a wrangler with the sort of aftermarket and off road support that the model has today, the jeep line turns into just another Chrysler suv. It wouldn't immediately fall off the face of the planet, but it would quickly fade into mediocrity.
While I agree with your statement, there is room for it to be both. Builders will always complain about loaded ones or how new models suck compared to what they have, bit new models with comfort options are what make new models livable for dd's. Since most builders work with older models, creature comforts are what's needed to keep the line going.
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I agree with both of you. This is why my list is made up of two types of improvements (unless I oopsed on some) that I think are possible for Jeep to actually do: standard ones that benefit or are neutral for 'grocery getters' while being clear improvements for offroad and factory options for offroad that involve a compromose onroad or that not everyone really needs. This allows 'old models' to be better after 5-10 years when the grocery getters are done with them, as well as giving real improvements for those 1% (figure mentioned elsewhere) that will 'really take a brand new Jeep offroad'. I don't consider myself hardcore (in my group of folks that do runs offroad most of the time I'm driving the most stock vehicle) - but I definitely do take my brand new Jeep offroad.

I agree that it is critical to keep Wrangler real. Without the Wrangler, the rest of the Jeep lineup is frankly "just another crossover/SUV" from a company (Chrysler) that doesn't really have outstanding quality or service (there are isolated exceptions to this of course. 'not outstanding' doesn't mean 'total 100% garbage' - it means mediocre).
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You must be super tall. I'm 6'3" and the headroom in my JK is fine- and I have headroom issues with most vehicles.
Try sitting in the passenger side....
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I just picked up a '13 JK Sport. Have been waiting for the redesign to get one but couldn't wait any longer. Figure I'll just have to get another when the redesign comes out.
My list:
Diesel Engine (heard its coming)
At least 6 gears in the automatic
Lighter (Stitch concept)
Keep the easter egg nods to jeep ( i like them )
Better hood latches (that hood should not bounce like that)
Sloped windshield
Scratch resistant roof
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Scratch resistant roof
I do wish the roof was just 'that color' not painted.

And what's funny is, I think 'white plastic' (as it is now under the paint) would be very practical in sunny areas. I have to admit it's a goofy look, but it would help a lot with solar heating.

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