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Old 07-24-2013, 11:44 AM   #151
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a double tub rail system where we can have two things on at the same time.

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Make rear seats a relatively inexpensive option on the 2-doors for those who want them.

I would have ordered my '13 without, given the option.

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Diesel for 2016 would be nice, but if the price increase on the GC is any indication of the bump they will want for it, I'll pass. 4-5k can buy a lot of gas.

I want Jeep to work on the things there should've been a fix for years ago ie, leaking freedom tops, death wobble, tow capacity, fluid leaks, cylinder head problems 12-13, hood lift on the freeway, crash test results. There's a lot of things that have been improved, I will give them that but they're still falling just short of the goal line.

Finally, a huge middle finger to those of you who tell anyone that doesn't want a leaking top to "buy a Grand Cherokee" or "buy an SUV". That is the hugest cop out in the world and as owners, we should demand better quality if we're going to be charged 30-40k.
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Someone made a good point on diesel about the DEF on the new engines being a likelyhood. Fuuuuuuuuuuuu! Bad gov't! Looks like my Pentastar will have to last a real long while.
2012 was the last year any on road diesel engine was made for the us market as far as i can tell, and they were required in 2011. International added the fine to the price of the engine instead of giving a damn haha....

The emissions systems can be removed pretty easily im told. But you only need to fill the def up every 6000 miles anyway.
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2012 was the last year any on road diesel engine was made for the us market as far as i can tell, and they were required in 2011. International added the fine to the price of the engine instead of giving a damn haha....

The emissions systems can be removed pretty easily im told. But you only need to fill the def up every 6000 miles anyway.
There was some discussion earlier (maybe even in this thread) about how making the Diesels eco-friendly has undermined their durability. I think the claim is that they don't last any longer than a gas engine between rebuilds now... I can't really comment on the accuracy of that, but it was interesting to consider.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:58 PM   #156
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Interesting info....

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Citing unnamed Chrysler suppliers, The Detroit News says the Auburn Hills-based automaker will keep its Dodge Avenger sedan, Dodge Grand Caravan minivan and Jeep Wrangler SUV around longer than previously planned.

The Jeep Wrangler was scheduled to be replaced by a new model in 2016, but the current SUV will now remain in production until 2018.
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There's been some local cases where the DEF system on these new diesels have been failing in the winter leaving the occupants stranded on the highway. This has happened to Ford and VW. Several thousand dollars latter the VW had to be bought back. It seems that diesel is on its last leg. Maybe someone can engineer a solution but only time will tell.

Jeep should have a seat material thats a non neopreen dog hair grabbing mess. I love the comfort of my 13's but the dogs make them a nightmare. Trekarmor needs to hurry up with the side airbag front covers. Another example of gov't getting in the way. But safety first.
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Make them in China so quality improves.
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The big rig diesels are still lasting close to a million miles between rebuilds. They arent wearing out faster. But the emissions systems break alot. A while back my truck broke down every 2000 miles for a month or so. I drive more than 2000 miles a week. Egr coolers.

Are they really going to axe the wrangler in 2018 or are they going to make it "better"? I think killing the jeep will be the worst mistake chrysler would ever make.

I hope in 2041 they re release the cj for a 100th anniversary edition.
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I hope in 2041 they re release the cj for a 100th anniversary edition.
You'll have to survive 3 more years until 2044. CJ's started in 1944

2018 won't be the end of the Jeep...that is just re-design.

Axing the Wrangler would rank #1 of stupid corporate moves. Although, they do hold the 2nd and 3rd positions...

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I'd love to be able to optionally remove any/all of the following:

Carpet, radio, roll bar padding and plastic, rear seat, rear seatbelts

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Old 07-24-2013, 02:55 PM   #162
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Less useless can bus crap. Why do the headlights and turn signals need to be computer controlled? All this electronic crap is more crap to break from fording rivers.

Id like to see an airbag disable switch like single cab pickups have.
I hear ya. I am thankful I did my stereo without frying my entire Wrangler. That Canbus stuff scares me.
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Front and rear reclining bucket seats with a center console in the unlimiteds. Watching my daughters try to sleep in the back on long drives is rough.
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Per Blankster and the link below, there won't be any changes until 2018 to the Jeep Wrangler.

Suppliers say that the current Jeep Wrangler will live on through mid-2018 – that's right, another five years. The Detroit News reports that a replacement for the iconic, go-anywhere Jeep was due in mid-2016.

Chrysler extending production of current Dodge Avenger, Jeep Wrangler, Grand Caravan - Autoblog
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There's been some local cases where the DEF system on these new diesels have been failing in the winter leaving the occupants stranded on the highway. This has happened to Ford and VW. Several thousand dollars latter the VW had to be bought back. It seems that diesel is on its last leg. Maybe someone can engineer a solution but only time will tell.

Jeep should have a seat material thats a non neopreen dog hair grabbing mess. I love the comfort of my 13's but the dogs make them a nightmare. Trekarmor needs to hurry up with the side airbag front covers. Another example of gov't getting in the way. But safety first.
Sorry but how exactly is "govt getting in the way" with regard to optional side airbags?
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There's been some local cases where the DEF system on these new diesels have been failing in the winter leaving the occupants stranded on the highway. This has happened to Ford and VW. Several thousand dollars latter the VW had to be bought back. It seems that diesel is on its last leg. Maybe someone can engineer a solution but only time will tell.

Jeep should have a seat material thats a non neopreen dog hair grabbing mess. I love the comfort of my 13's but the dogs make them a nightmare. Trekarmor needs to hurry up with the side airbag front covers. Another example of gov't getting in the way. But safety first.
The new diesel in the GC and the Ram have heaters for the DEF.
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What happens when you roll a Wrangler with a fixed windshield over????

Well if they roll out them wranglers with fixed windshields the value to our JKs and TJs will skyrocket!
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What happens when you roll a Wrangler with a fixed windshield over????

Well if they roll out them wranglers with fixed windshields the value to our JKs and TJs will skyrocket!
What?
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bring back cassette player standard.
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What?
A wrangler can be repaired in a rollover typically because the windshield folds, therefore can come off and be replaced. A fixed windshield wrangler would be more like...any other car where the roof cafes in and the car is destroyed.

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I hear ya. I am thankful I did my stereo without frying my entire Wrangler. That Canbus stuff scares me.
Eh? All you need for a stereo is power, ground, and power on with ignition on.


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It's not 1950. Quite a wishful list.
Why should we be forced to buy all of those things if we don't want one? You can order a corvette without any engine at all, why can't we order a wrangler without carpet?

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You'll have to survive 3 more years until 2044. CJ's started in 1944

2018 won't be the end of the Jeep...that is just re-design.

Axing the Wrangler would rank #1 of stupid corporate moves. Although, they do hold the 2nd and 3rd positions...

#1 New Coke
#2 New Cherokee
#3 Square Headlights
I think we could have a 100th anniversary in 1941 because of those "SINCE 1941" grab handles. Of course, the war was more important than having shiny new cars and as far as i know no civilian vehicles were actually made between 1941 and 1943 (CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG). But the CJ used the same body as the MB, did it not? Wasn't it just a heavily civilianized version of the jeep? Anyway, I just want to see them make a new CJ. I bet they won't.

New coke was a conspiracy. The old coke never actually came back, they tricked us.

I heard a radio commercial for a front wheel drive grand cherokee today. WHAT THE HELL????????????????????????????????????

And square headlights...heh.......... Why didnt they just make a non removable hard top and non folding windshield and doors with normal hinges along with that?

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bring back cassette player standard.
I have an 02 hyundai santa fe with a cassette player. How many times do you think i've used it? I liked cassettes in 2001 when i couldnt burn a cd cause cd burners cost $300 and took an hour and a half to write a cd. Why would you want one now?

Hell i had an 84 ford f250 with an 8 track player and i used that more than the cassette player (last year).
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. Why would you want one now?

Hell i had an 84 ford f250 with an 8 track player and i used that more than the cassette player (last year).
to play my Creedence tapes, man
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to play my Creedence tapes, man
Haha best post on this thread!
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#1 arm rests that work
#2 usable fold down Window
#3 diesel version
#4 remobable hard top rear window (easir)
#5 comeback of Levi trim
#6 under seat storage like old cj's
#7 fold down tailgate
#8 v8
#9 sunvisors that don't suck ass
#10 soft door option
#11 modular hardtop
#12 truck
# 13 better mpg
#15 larger wheel and tire options
#16 return to cool commercials (or any)
#17 flat paint options
#18 better cup holders
#19 better stereos
#20 nothing really because I secretly think they are awesome already
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The next gen Wrangler has been pushed back to 2018.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/nex...-a-258389.html
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* Adjustable seats (Move up and down - it's tough for us short, heavier guys!)
* Better sunvisors - sheesh, at least let them slide or something.
* Rear seat headrest fix - lord, the rear window is useless for visibility between the headrests and the wiper box
* Better fix for the wiper box on the rear windshield - smaller or something.
* There are some blind spots that need redesigned, I feel. Pretty hard to see behind me with the headrests, wiper box, rollbar, etc all blocking the view
* Mirrors on the BODY, not the doors. Just dropped 80 bucks for a pair of mirrors so I can go doorless...
* Leaky roof - not an issue for me YET, but I havent been out in the rain with the top off yet.
* Vents in the hood. So many people want to replace their hoods or modify them, may as well just do it at the factory, or make it an option.
* Rims and tires as options on the base model. They might be, but I wasn't given the option on mine.
* About 5K less than what mine cost would have been perfect!
* Change nothing. I love mine just the way it is!
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* Adjustable seats (Move up and down - it's tough for us short, heavier guys!)
* Better sunvisors - sheesh, at least let them slide or something.
* Rear seat headrest fix - lord, the rear window is useless for visibility between the headrests and the wiper box
* Better fix for the wiper box on the rear windshield - smaller or something.
* There are some blind spots that need redesigned, I feel. Pretty hard to see behind me with the headrests, wiper box, rollbar, etc all blocking the view
* Mirrors on the BODY, not the doors. Just dropped 80 bucks for a pair of mirrors so I can go doorless...
* Leaky roof - not an issue for me YET, but I havent been out in the rain with the top off yet.
* Vents in the hood. So many people want to replace their hoods or modify them, may as well just do it at the factory, or make it an option.
* Rims and tires as options on the base model. They might be, but I wasn't given the option on mine.
* About 5K less than what mine cost would have been perfect!
* Change nothing. I love mine just the way it is!
I'm sure you thought this list through carefully, so just take this as friendly ribbing. You've got legit points and even if you didn't, you are entitled to your opinion anyway.

* My seats adjust up and down.
* My visor slides out (better than the old Dakota or the wife's Impreza, but still doesn't really catch all possible places were the sun comes in and hits the eyes)
* Next 3 are all really the same so it must be a priority for you (not that you are wrong about them impinging on visibility mind you)
* Mirrors - agree!
* Leaky - if the top is off and it rains... how would a redesign of the top keep you dry?
* My favorite... "Change nothing"... but, but... you just listed a bunch of changes!
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It's not 1950. Quite a wishful list.
That's why I said optionally. I realize not everyone wants to remove these things, I just want Jeep to give the option to the people that do want to.

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