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Old 10-18-2013, 01:05 PM   #211
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I think it would be sad, because the 2-door JK is THE direct descendent of the military Jeep.

However, the latest numbers I saw showed that the Unlimited is making it's margin even higher over the 2-door. I think they've sold somewhere around 15,000 Unlimiteds in September, and they only sold about 6,000 2-doors. The ratio is getting close to 3:1 now.

What the Unlimited did is two things. 1) people who always wanted a Wrangler, but had families and couldn't justify the practicality of it suddenly had a reason to buy one and 2) people who went with a 2-door in mind saw all the extra space in the Unlimited and ended up leaving the dealership with 4-doors instead.

If this margin continues to grow, the bean counters at Chrysler/Fiat are going to start making the case that the 2-door is a poor selling option, and we all know what happens to poor selling options in the automotive business.
I hope that your wrong but I was also one of those heart broken and caught off guard when Chevy killed off the 2-door Tahoe. I was driving one at the time and it was a great truck. The Fiat/Chrysler execs are saying all the right things about not messing with the iconic Jeep image but as someone going from a 2012 JK to a 2014 JKU because of a growing family I can see how the sales numbers are trending that way. My choice was 4-door Jeep or no Jeep, and no Jeep was not an option.

The CAFE thing does kind of scare me because they can use all the light weight materials and transmission tricks they want to but none of that changes the aerodynamics. I think the will amend/delay some of the CAFE stuff like they always do(government is getting really good at putting things off) and buy Wranglers some more time but eventually some major changes will have to be made to the exterior shape.

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Old 10-18-2013, 03:45 PM   #212
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With the Unlimited outselling the 2-door by almost a 3:1 ratio....I wonder if the new 2017 Wrangler will do away with a 2-door option? I mean, automakers are just dying to find ways to save costs these days.

Hmmm..........
I don't think they're this stupid, but selling an intentionally ugly re-skinned Dart as a Cherokee makes me wonder. Honestly, its doubtful I would have purchased a JK if it wasn't for the two door.

I think Chrysler is the bottom of the barrel as a manufacturer. Once I'm comparing them against other 4 door vehicles, I'd have to start weighing my wants vs. needs very heavily. The JK is unique, the JKU is in very deep water vs. other 4 door SUV's and 4wd crew cab pickups. I probably would have wound up with a TRD Tacoma.

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If Ford made a Wrangler, I'd buy one of theirs. But since Jeep is the only Manufacturer and nobody makes anything that compares to it, I'm stuck with Jeep. TOK is right, the JK is unique, now if they really screw it up, people will just keep what they have and not buy a new one. And without the JK, Jeep would not be around.

I for one like new tech. I want the push button start, I hate my keys flinging around when I'm hitting bumps. I don't think you have to give up comfort for off roadability. I've always used my Jeeps as DD drivers, yes I do take them off road, but that's was not the main reason I bought it. It's like buying a dual sport motorcycle, you can find a better on road motorcycle or a better off-road motorcycle, but it you want to do both, a dual sport is the best. Jeep is the only dual sport vehicle.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:17 PM   #214
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If there is a redesign for Wrangler is like the new '14 Jeep Cherokee they can keep the Wrangler! This is one ugly SUV with a Jeep name!


Retro design is what the Jeep tradition is based on and that's why I bought it! The Wrangler stands out from all over 4 WD vehicles. The traditional Jeep Wrangler design up to the current one is what appeals to me.
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If there is a redesign for Wrangler is like the new '14 Jeep Cherokee they can keep the Wrangler! This is one ugly SUV with a Jeep name!

Retro design is what the Jeep tradition is based on and that's why I bought it! The Wrangler stands out from all over 4 WD vehicles. The traditional Jeep Wrangler design up to the current one is what appeals to me.
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Big time agree on the whole Cherokee fail. How do you even build that up. That's a Lexus by far imo. They copied the GMC Envoy's powertrain style with front wheel drive. Good luck when it's time to work on it. I would have considered it if it were like the last Cherokee. Box!
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Old 10-19-2013, 08:25 AM   #216
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Big time agree on the whole Cherokee fail. How do you even build that up. That's a Lexus by far imo. They copied the GMC Envoy's powertrain style with front wheel drive. Good luck when it's time to work on it. I would have considered it if it were like the last Cherokee. Box!
Hey Jeep I bought my JK to build it and play with it.
The thing that really makes me question Jeep/Fiat decision making is that this thing actually replaces the Liberty. I think if they had just continued with that name, most people wouldn't have cared.

The Cherokee is second only to the Wrangler in hardcore fandom. If you read tests on the new Cherokee, it actually does pretty good offroad for what it is. Its way more capable than anything in its segment, but nobody that really loves Jeeps is going to let the Cherokee thing slide.

Its like Justin Bieber going on tour and calling himself Led Zeppelin.
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If Ford made a Wrangler, I'd buy one of theirs. But since Jeep is the only Manufacturer and nobody makes anything that compares to it, I'm stuck with Jeep.
Yes. I would love to see a modern iteration of the original Bronco.

I've had my best luck with Fords by far out of the domestic manufacturers....
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Old 10-19-2013, 08:44 AM   #218
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Per Blankster and the link below, there won't be any changes until 2018 to the Jeep Wrangler.

Suppliers say that the current Jeep Wrangler will live on through mid-2018 – that's right, another five years. The Detroit News reports that a replacement for the iconic, go-anywhere Jeep was due in mid-2016.

Chrysler extending production of current Dodge Avenger, Jeep Wrangler, Grand Caravan - Autoblog
So is it 2016, or 2018 for the redesign?
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So is it 2016, or 2018 for the redesign?
Last I read, it was pushed back to 2018 after the initial 2016 info was released.
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Last I read, it was pushed back to 2018 after the initial 2016 info was released.
Thanks, that's what I thought too.
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As far as design, I agree the Wrangler should stay close to it's roots. Moving to a more curved and flowing design would destroy it's uniqueness in a world full blended curves. I can see tweaks and minor improvements but keeping within the boundaries of simplicity over aesthetics. The Wrangler should look like a serious vehicle meant for conquering terrain as it's primary role in life, not eeking out mpg on the highway. It's entire appeal is that iconic image of being an off-road trail boss. That's not to say you can't offer major features and refinements to the interior or it's capabilities, but refinements solely directed at aero or things that add needless complexity without adding functionality that will be appreciated by most is taking it in the wrong direction, imo. I realize that designation is debatable and may shift over time, but so far I think Jeep has made the right moves with the JK in hitting a good balance.

The biggest change I'd like to see is an powertrain that manages to get the mpg into the high 20's for mileage in stock form, and a CnG bi-fuel option from the factory, but these probably won't happen anytime soon.

I also wouldn't mind having a fixed, metal hard top in the back with 4 freedom top panels, one above each seat. I don't get the appeal of having your cargo area exposed to the elements but I know many do and use their Jeeps for more outdoor adventures than I typically do.
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I just want a removable rear seat in the JKU, and maybe some steel rims that aren't dog-ugly.
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Yes. I would love to see a modern iteration of the original Bronco.

I've had my best luck with Fords by far out of the domestic manufacturers....
I would love for Ford to bring back a retro modern Bronco, I think it would take a lot of people from Jeep. Maybe make Jeep work harder for the customers.

But only wishful thinking.
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:08 AM   #225
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in the new jeep i would like to see rear adjustable seats where they recline also a garage door opener built in.
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I would love for Ford to bring back a retro modern Bronco, I think it would take a lot of people from Jeep. Maybe make Jeep work harder for the customers.

But only wishful thinking.
With all the complaints I have seen from to owners about the jk being too big, I have wondered if the jk was closer to the size of the original bronco
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Old 10-21-2013, 05:31 PM   #227
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i want them to offer a diesel in 2015 JKU so i can grab one before they get ruined in 2016
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1. Head lights time to move on and make LEDs standard!!! 2. Real bumpers no more of this fading hollow crap 3. Change the gear ratio. 3.21 standard is obsolete 4. Stainless steel bolts
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Only read about half of the posts... but I didn't see any suggestions for a split-folding rear seat for the 2-door so that you could have 2 passengers and at least SOME cargo room
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Only read about half of the posts... but I didn't see any suggestions for a split-folding rear seat for the 2-door so that you could have 2 passengers and at least SOME cargo room
That's a nice idea. Separately removable too. That would be more than enough cargo room for me!
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:08 PM   #232
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How about deflector shields and a cloaking device?
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One I hope not to see is the elimination of the solid axle but from what I've been reading it looks to be a foregone conclusion. If you want to build buy before the '16 model comes out
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One I hope not to see is the elimination of the solid axle but from what I've been reading it looks to be a foregone conclusion. If you want to build buy before the '16 model comes out
I haven't seen anything pointing to this. Explain
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As far as design, I agree the Wrangler should stay close to it's roots. Moving to a more curved and flowing design would destroy it's uniqueness in a world full blended curves. I can see tweaks and minor improvements but keeping within the boundaries of simplicity over aesthetics. The Wrangler should look like a serious vehicle meant for conquering terrain as it's primary role in life, not eeking out mpg on the highway. It's entire appeal is that iconic image of being an off-road trail boss. That's not to say you can't offer major features and refinements to the interior or it's capabilities, but refinements solely directed at aero or things that add needless complexity without adding functionality that will be appreciated by most is taking it in the wrong direction, imo. I realize that designation is debatable and may shift over time, but so far I think Jeep has made the right moves with the JK in hitting a good balance.

The biggest change I'd like to see is an powertrain that manages to get the mpg into the high 20's for mileage in stock form, and a CnG bi-fuel option from the factory, but these probably won't happen anytime soon.

I also wouldn't mind having a fixed, metal hard top in the back with 4 freedom top panels, one above each seat. I don't get the appeal of having your cargo area exposed to the elements but I know many do and use their Jeeps for more outdoor adventures than I typically do.
Metal, fixed top? Are you stupid? Seriously? Buy a damn car
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Yes. I would love to see a modern iteration of the original Bronco. I've had my best luck with Fords by far out of the domestic manufacturers....
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At 16 I started in a bronco. They'll always have a place in my heart. I've been in Jeeps for the past 14 years but if they put out a modern bronco with a removable top I'd be very interested as well.

I love my wrangler. No real complaints except the shift motion from 5th to 6th and the straight up back seat. I'd love to see those things get better. Just wish I had more money for personalized mods.

From the factory I'd love to see a turbo diesel hybrid and a cheap dual doors option (full and half) and a Grey leather option with vented seats for the hot Texas summers. ;-) one can always dream...
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I haven't seen anything pointing to this. Explain
it was an article in the last issue of either auto news or automotive news. I'll try and find it and post a link
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The thing that really makes me question Jeep/Fiat decision making is that this thing actually replaces the Liberty. I think if they had just continued with that name, most people wouldn't have cared.
Too many people were demanding that they change the name for the KK follow-on, here in the US, from Liberty to Cherokee. IMHO, it a clear case of being careful of what you demand, you might not really like it once you get it.

The other way around, the 2014 Cherokee is a replacement for the KK, not the XJ.
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Only read about half of the posts... but I didn't see any suggestions for a split-folding rear seat for the 2-door so that you could have 2 passengers and at least SOME cargo room
yes, Im surprised this did not come up? this way a family of 3 could have the option to throw some skies back there or get away for a weekend.

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