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Old 10-15-2013, 11:06 AM   #1
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What cold air intake should i get

I have a jk unlimited sport. All I'm looking for is better gas mileage. What one is a good one to go with.

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It seems most guys here think a person is better off sticking with the factory box and simply changing the filter more often. I thought about the same thing but have decided against it after reading all the warnings that it was throwing away money without significant gain and it exposed the engine to more particulates.
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Okay if that's such not a good idea. Is there anything I can do to make it better
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Here is a good link for HP gains. I have the Banks Intake/Exhaust and noticed about a 1-2mpg gain. I installed both for the sound personally so any HP/MPG gains was just an added benefit. I have had them both on for about 6 months and have been really pleased so far.
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Okay if that's such not a good idea. Is there anything I can do to make it better
If you were looking for fuel economy then a wrangler was probably not the best option of vehicle. Having said that most people on this forum seem against an aftermarket intake due to its open design. If your looking for fuel economy I don't see how an intake and exhaust setup could hurt it. It seems most that get an intake are usually just looking for sound and that's all.
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Ditto according to my Jeep mechanic brother.
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I definately agree with this. The reality is there's basically nothing you can do with a JK to improve gas mileage other than taking it easy on the pedal, keep a clean air filter, correct tire pressures and overall good maintenance. You can't fight physics. They pretty much get what they get. The more mods usually the gas mileage suffers. If you have a 3.21 axle ratio you might get a little better gas mileage. Although, a good head wind will cancel that out.
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If you have a 3.8L, I would be happy to sell you my takeoff pretty cheap. That way you can at least try it out. It is a K&N.
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Thanks guys. And I'm not looking for 30 mpg just seeing if there was something. But not a big deal. I still love this thing to death. But I would like to get some good sound.
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Less weight in the jeep, light gas pedal, no lift, and stock bridgestones......that's about the best mileage you'll get!!
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Thanks guys. And I'm not looking for 30 mpg just seeing if there was something. But not a big deal. I still love this thing to death. But I would like to get some good sound.
I will probably throw on a banks intake because I have heard good things about them. The fitment is good and looks great as well. The sound will be very similar between different brands that are all open air. FYI I found the banks intake on auto anything for 260 with free shipping.
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I understand the dislike for the 'open' design of CAI's, I dont like them for that reason. But how about the enclosed setups where the opening is on one side of the box but the rest is enclosed/covered. Wouldn't that protect against water splashes? Then you'd only have to worry about deep water travel above the 30".

Also, thoughts on the airaid cai setup that works with the aev snorkel.
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I understand the dislike for the 'open' design of CAI's, I dont like them for that reason. But how about the enclosed setups where the opening is on one side of the box but the rest is enclosed/covered. Wouldn't that protect against water splashes? Then you'd only have to worry about deep water travel above the 30".

Also, thoughts on the airaid cai setup that works with the aev snorkel.
It is also air particles and dust that you have to worry about.

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As far as fuel economy goes, there was a lot of good advice in this thread. Basically, go easy on the stupid pedal, easy on the heavy mods, keep everything clean, ect...

You don't want to pay $600 to gain 1 mpg on the highway if it is going to take you years to re-coup that money while exposing your engine to more dirt.
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You guys crack me up with the air particles and dust comments. That's all I hear on this forum. You guys have to keep in mind that not everyone on this forum is a hardcore off-roader. I bet a lot of people only take there jeeps offroad 10% of the time. The other 90% is street driving which that intake will do just fine and not harm the engine one bit. Now I def do agree if you have a weekend warrior and your jeep spends most of its time in the dirt then I would not recommend an open intake.

OP don't be scared away from all the dirt and dust comments in every intake thread. A lot of vehicles come factory now with some sort of an open air intake and those cars have a lot higher hp motors and run just fine.
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I just installed a K&N 63-1566. I too had mine dyno'd before and after. Approx. a 12 hp gain. My buddy has a speed shop so he offered to do it for me.

Now that I see you got the same results it's just more proof that they actually work. That's also impressive gains on the muffler. I'm going with the duel tipped Magna Flow on my Altitude. It's the black one with the black tips.

The site also says around 10 to 12 hp gain.

The K&N was $230.00 and the Magna Flow is around $400.00. If I can pick up 20 or so hp for that price, it's for sure worth it.

The K&N takes the hesitation off the line almost away and it winds up a lot faster. My wife even noticed it. And it sounds cool too. A no brainer.

When you take the old pipe from the air box to the throttle body off, there a weird looking I guess water reservoir with a drain at the bottom. I guess this is if you get into deep water. A real turbulent airflow tube. No wonder the straight tube makes such a difference.

If I had bought my Jeep for off road, I would not have put the K&N on. I bought it because they are rugged, look good and now are refined enough to be used as a daily driver.

Plus, it was amazing last year in the snow. No more worries about getting stuck in mountainous Vancouver. It will pretty much go up any hill like there was no snow at all. Awesome!!
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I ran a banks for a while. I did not see any difference in MPG's no power down low and if anything up higher in the rpm range. Sounded cool though

I sold it after I tuned my engine and it would ping excessively.
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You guys crack me up with the air particles and dust comments. That's all I hear on this forum. You guys have to keep in mind that not everyone on this forum is a hardcore off-roader. I bet a lot of people only take there jeeps offroad 10% of the time. The other 90% is street driving which that intake will do just fine and not harm the engine one bit. Now I def do agree if you have a weekend warrior and your jeep spends most of its time in the dirt then I would not recommend an open intake.

OP don't be scared away from all the dirt and dust comments in every intake thread. A lot of vehicles come factory now with some sort of an open air intake and those cars have a lot higher hp motors and run just fine.
I'm not a hardcore off-roader.
I'm on pavement 99.99% of the time.
But here is the thing....when I'm on pavement, I'm between basically 1600-2600 rpms 99.99% of the time.

At those rpm's, I doubt it if the engine is being strangled for oxygen with the factory filter.

It isn't that I don't think CAI's work. It is that I think they are best suited for high performance vehicles looking for peak horsepower.

I don't care about gaining 8 more HP at 6000 rpm's because to be honest, my Jeep has never seen 6000 rpm's. I might have gotten to 5000 once or twice during break-in.

If you are doing it for sound...cool. But heck, if you want maximum air...just remove the stock air filter and cover...just put a screen over the opening to prevent bugs and rocks from flying into the engine.
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I just installed a K&N 63-1566. I too had mine dyno'd before and after. Approx. a 12 hp gain. My buddy has a speed shop so he offered to do it for me.

Now that I see you got the same results it's just more proof that they actually work. That's also impressive gains on the muffler. I'm going with the duel tipped Magna Flow on my Altitude. It's the black one with the black tips.

The site also says around 10 to 12 hp gain.

The K&N was $230.00 and the Magna Flow is around $400.00. If I can pick up 20 or so hp for that price, it's for sure worth it.

The K&N takes the hesitation off the line almost away and it winds up a lot faster. My wife even noticed it. And it sounds cool too. A no brainer.

When you take the old pipe from the air box to the throttle body off, there a weird looking I guess water reservoir with a drain at the bottom. I guess this is if you get into deep water. A real turbulent airflow tube. No wonder the straight tube makes such a difference.

If I had bought my Jeep for off road, I would not have put the K&N on. I bought it because they are rugged, look good and now are refined enough to be used as a daily driver.

Plus, it was amazing last year in the snow. No more worries about getting stuck in mountainous Vancouver. It will pretty much go up any hill like there was no snow at all. Awesome!!

So you are saying you saw a increase of 12 hp at the wheels from installing a intake? On a 3.6?
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Here's what I noticed after my intake install - my throttle response is better as is overall "driveability", the motor no longer sounds anemic, and as an added bonus, I picked up about 1.2 MPG. The butt dyno also tells me the Jeep pulls a little stronger throughout the RPM range, but that's purely subjective and I have no numbers to back it up.

For me, I went with Airaid and it is completely sealed (I sealed all openings in the tube and box very well with silicone - inside and out) and will mate up to the AEV snorkel if I wish. I'm also running a pre-filter, clean the filter after each time I go wheeling and change my oil more frequently than "recommended". Yep...all part of "proper maintenance" IMO. You have to "pay to play" as they say...hey, that rhymed!

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I'm not a hardcore off-roader. I'm on pavement 99.99% of the time. But here is the thing....when I'm on pavement, I'm between basically 1600-2600 rpms 99.99% of the time. At those rpm's, I doubt it if the engine is being strangled for oxygen with the factory filter. It isn't that I don't think CAI's work. It is that I think they are best suited for high performance vehicles looking for peak horsepower. I don't care about gaining 8 more HP at 6000 rpm's because to be honest, my Jeep has never seen 6000 rpm's. I might have gotten to 5000 once or twice during break-in. If you are doing it for sound...cool. But heck, if you want maximum air...just remove the stock air filter and cover...just put a screen over the opening to prevent bugs and rocks from flying into the engine.
I agree... I hardly go over 3000. Only if I need to. Coming from a TJ where all the power is down low. It took awhile to learn how to use the RPm's to my advantage, with the Cai I found myself really getting on it. 4-5k.
Money on gears is money better spent IMO

Use the engine the way it's designed, you will be surprised. RPm's for the win
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I'm not a hardcore off-roader. I'm on pavement 99.99% of the time. But here is the thing....when I'm on pavement, I'm between basically 1600-2600 rpms 99.99% of the time. At those rpm's, I doubt it if the engine is being strangled for oxygen with the factory filter. It isn't that I don't think CAI's work. It is that I think they are best suited for high performance vehicles looking for peak horsepower. I don't care about gaining 8 more HP at 6000 rpm's because to be honest, my Jeep has never seen 6000 rpm's. I might have gotten to 5000 once or twice during break-in. If you are doing it for sound...cool. But heck, if you want maximum air...just remove the stock air filter and cover...just put a screen over the opening to prevent bugs and rocks from flying into the engine.
I agree completely. If you going for sound which I myself will probably add one for that reason then go for it. I could care less about the performance or mpg. If either of those were on my mind when selecting a new vehicle, the Jk would not be high on the list.
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I guess I don't see how it can hurt. As I understand it, if you think of an engine as an air pump, you can increase efficiency by making it easier for the engine to move air through it. Same on the back side with an exhaust. I think that a tuning would be required after the install given that a computer controlled modern engine would likely adjust the fuel schedule with the new parts to remain as close to factory parameters as possible thereby reducing potential gains. Finally, as far as the particulate filtration goes all I know is that helicopters use a similar style filter (cloth media between wire mesh with filter oil) and their turbines gobble up way more air than a car without having a particulate problem. If it is good enough for a high tolerance turbine, it's good enough for me.
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As a caveat, whatever performance gain you get will not be off the wall and at an extra mpg or two it will take a long time to recoup your investment. Then again gas isn't getting any cheaper.
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Here's what I noticed after my intake install - my throttle response is better as is overall "driveability", the motor no longer sounds anemic, and as an added bonus, I picked up about 1.2 MPG. The butt dyno also tells me the Jeep pulls a little stronger throughout the RPM range, but that's purely subjective and I have no numbers to back it up.

For me, I went with Airaid and it is completely sealed (I sealed all openings in the tube and box very well with silicone - inside and out) and will mate up to the AEV snorkel if I wish. I'm also running a pre-filter, clean the filter after each time I go wheeling and change my oil more frequently than "recommended". Yep...all part of "proper maintenance" IMO. You have to "pay to play" as they say...hey, that rhymed!

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How do you like it so far? What type of silicone did ya use? I'm looking at that same intake and probably the throttle body spacer. But am getting scared by all the particle and dust contamination talk. What do ya think? Thanks so much for all the info! Also sorry for ignorance but what's a pre-filter? Thanks agin!!
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A V6 engine is not going to give the same sound as a V8, no matter if it is straight pipe/expensive exhaust/cheap coffee can exhaust.

If you want good sound, sink your cash into a high end audio system.
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How do you like it so far? What type of silicone did ya use? I'm looking at that same intake and probably the throttle body spacer. But am getting scared by all the particle and dust contamination talk. What do ya think? Thanks so much for all the info! Also sorry for ignorance but what's a pre-filter? Thanks agin!!
I'm still very happy with my intake and if I had to do it all over again, I'd do the same thing. There may be plans in my future to run a snorkel and the Airaid intake retains factory location and parts to make the snorkel addition easy.

The silicon I used was some stuff I had at work but any silicon that adheres to plastic will be fine. Check Home Depot or Lowes - I'm sure you can find some stuff there that will work. You'll see the areas that could use silicon.

A pre-filter is like a sock that goes over the main filter. It helps to filter out some of the particulate matter that enters the intake. Necessary? I don't know but was cheap so I decided to pick one up.

As for being scared - the's subjective. I am picky about how I maintain my rig and go overboard with regular PM. I check the oil frequently to monitor how dirty the oil is getting if I wheel in dusty areas. If it looks like it's getting very dirty, I change it. It's cheap insurance IMO.
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Wouldn't most "dust" particles be burnt up in the combustion process ? I can see water or mud being an issue, but for regular street/highway driving I can't see a CAI hurting the engine IMHO.
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