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Old 08-15-2013, 02:28 PM   #271
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Then give me some insight because I figure that I work here and make them plenty of money to damn near give me all of it.. Problem is that I can't go to another dealership and purchase because If i show up with a Jeep that I bought else where... Well might as well get a box.
And there you go you said it. If you want a jeep you HAVE to buy from them and they know that. So why would they give you a good
Deal when they know they can make more
Money off you? Your managers make money off the sales, so if they give you more off, they get less money. Not gonna happen that way. It sucks but that's how it is

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Old 08-15-2013, 02:30 PM   #272
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That's ridiculous. So I really have no choice but to pay whatever they say. Pisses me off


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Old 08-15-2013, 02:31 PM   #273
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That's business it sucks. I sold cars when I bought my jeep and I didn't buy from where I work. I didn't work at jeep dealer though.
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Old 08-15-2013, 03:00 PM   #274
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Screw that, buy it somewhere else! Don't worry about it. They don't want to cut you a deal, give someone else your business. That is some third-rate BS right there.
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Old 08-15-2013, 03:30 PM   #275
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Tell me about it but with buying from somewhere else runs the risk of losing my job.


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Old 08-15-2013, 04:17 PM   #276
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Purchase Date: August 13th 2013 (Montreal, Quebec, Canada)
Model: 2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara Dune
Options: Automatic, Dual tops, Uconnect 430N, Max Tow, Connectivity, Auto-temp, Remote start, Anti-spin
MSRP: $41,500$
Purchase price: 34250$ (1% under invoice)
Any discounts used: 3250$ Consumer Bonus Discount

Sales tax is 14.975% here... so I'm going to leave that calculation out, because it hurts to be reminded.
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Old 08-15-2013, 06:55 PM   #277
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Purchase Date: August 13th 2013 (Montreal, Quebec, Canada)
Model: 2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara Dune
Options: Automatic, Dual tops, Uconnect 430N, Max Tow, Connectivity, Auto-temp, Remote start, Anti-spin
MSRP: $41,500$
Purchase price: 34250$ (1% under invoice)
Any discounts used: 3250$ Consumer Bonus Discount.
What is the 'consumer bonus discount'? Must be a Canada thing? Sounds like an awesome deal though! Did you stick with that original dealer?

Working a deal on an Unlimited Sport S, MSRP 32,195, latest dealer offer is 'invoice price at 30,980'. Roughly $1,200 off MSRP on a $32k vehicle seems awfully low.' This is a small dealer in Iowa. It's deep cherry red, which must be more rare of a color. I haven't seen any other 2013's nearby with that color. If Beaker worked a deal on a Sahara for 4,000 off 41,500 plus another 3250 in incentives, there's gotta be a lot more room on this guy.

Is anyone leasing these things? Care to share your rate/money factor? I was quoted 6.384%, which seems astronomical compared to my last two leases, and my wife's lease we just did in May. All three leases were less than 2%. It's not a huge jump in number like 15%, but that 4 point increase affects the payment significantly. Credit is not the issue, haven't even gotten that far, they're quoting this based on assumed good to excellent credit.
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:09 PM   #278
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Tell me about it but with buying from somewhere else runs the risk of losing my job.


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I highly doubt that. An employer can't fire you for not purchasing a product from them. I've seen plenty of sales people buy cars from other dealers(even it was the same brand as the dealer they work for) and not get fired
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:13 PM   #279
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I highly doubt that. An employer can't fire you for not purchasing a product from them. I've seen plenty of sales people buy cars from other dealers(even it was the same brand as the dealer they work for) and not get fired
They can and will I've seen it before.
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Yes they can and will. Texas is a right to work state meaning they can let you go whenever for whatever I believe.... Makes it very hard. Work for a great dealer with great pay but don't want to pay more for a fun vehicle like the wrangler than a average consumer especially since I am making them tons of money ever month as I am one of the top two sales people there


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Old 08-15-2013, 08:48 PM   #281
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That is one crazy GM/owner. What dealer if you don't mind me asking?
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Won't name it but its in stephenville, TX. But most dealerships are that way because they feel that since they employed you they have automatically earned the right to your business...


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Old 08-15-2013, 09:12 PM   #283
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Well now I know not to do business with any jeep dealers in stephenville. Thanks
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:18 PM   #284
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Does anyone have any clue as to how long a deep cherry red jeep wrangler unlimited 2013 may have been sitting on a dealer's lot? Figuring maybe they built colors in batches and someone may know when...
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Does anyone have any clue as to how long a deep cherry red jeep wrangler unlimited 2013 may have been sitting on a dealer's lot? Figuring maybe they built colors in batches and someone may know when...
Open the driver door there should be a date of manufacture on it.
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Open the driver door there should be a date of manufacture on it.
It's about 300+ miles from me at the moment... #damn
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Old 08-15-2013, 11:14 PM   #287
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Did my JKUR all on-line so delivery only took about one hour; hardtop, 6 sp, Sirus, Heated seats, Red, uniconnect, power, etc...$33,442 OTD, rather painless as Colorado is a big market place for this product. Bad news is all the after market mods are driving that price up
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Old 08-15-2013, 11:16 PM   #289
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It's about 300+ miles from me at the moment... #damn
Email the dealer and ask for the date?
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:29 PM   #290
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I would definitely recommend avoiding dealing with the Bloomington MN Jeep dealer, for those MN members. Very greedy! I may be expecting too good a deal on a hail-sale model, but $500 under invoice is pretty much a joke. Their write down from the insurance company was probably $2k minimum. With Tread Lightly Alone, i could probably pay about $250 under invoice...
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What do they make?

So all things considered what do you think they actually pay for a jeep? Lets consider one like my new one...loaded Sahara 4 dr auto and no options missing it was listed at 43K I ended up with 2800 off of that number. None of us know what their overhead is so that's not worth talking about...and does anyone really know what the sales person makes?
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Anybody notice any better deals or rebates now that 2014s are on the lots?
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:51 AM   #293
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Anybody notice any better deals or rebates now that 2014s are on the lots?
I gave up trying to find a 2013 with the specs I wanted, thinking I would get a better deal not that 2014s are out. I'm in Central Jersey and the apathy of the sales people at the larger dealers was just astonishing. Several dealers told me "they sell themselves" and I get 1% under invoice using my affiliate pricing or use Costco pricing which is also a flat fee under invoice and that's it....no swapping hard for soft tops or anything else. It goes out the door the way it came in from the factory. Screw that! I went to a smaller dealer about 45 minutes away and had a much better experience. My sales person was great, she knew her stuff has a Jeep herself and was hungry to close a deal. I went on Saturday around 5 p.m. They had a 2014 JKU in Anvil with a Manual (finding a manual was a huge problem!) it was pretty close to what I wanted and they were willing to swap out the hard top for a premium soft and give me a tow hitch for my bike/ski rack (no 3.73). They wanted to make this deal and get the heck out of there since they closed at 6 p.m.! I left around 7 p.m. after making my deposit. Followed up with an email reviewing our deal and added a couple of questions I hadn't thought of while there. I think I did okay on the money but, I really just want to enjoy the last few weeks of Summer with the top down. I couldn't see waiting until Halloween to get it.

Also note that the smaller dealer I went to was willing go build me the same JKU for about $250 less than the larger dealer quoted me for the build. $250 is not a lot of money but it's more gas in the tank when she gets 18 MPG. Free money is free money.

Good luck on your decision. I pulled the trigger because I just couldn't take it anymore. Love my Anvil and can't wait to pick her up later in the week
Now to think of a name for her.....
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So all things considered what do you think they actually pay for a jeep? Lets consider one like my new one...loaded Sahara 4 dr auto and no options missing it was listed at 43K I ended up with 2800 off of that number. None of us know what their overhead is so that's not worth talking about...and does anyone really know what the sales person makes?
I want to say that on all deals at invoice or under a sales person is paid what they call a 'mini'. In the late 90's I sold cars, and a mini was worth $200. These days, the game has changed a bit. 'one-price' dealers pay their salespeople based on satisfaction and total units sold monthly. back in the era I sold in, all the money was made in used cars, or in getting a customer buying a new car to accept less than what trade trade was actually worth, that difference became part of the new car profit. Anything above invoice would pay about 30% to the salesperson. The more units you sold, that percentage would actually creep p to about 40%. If you we're good, you could make really good money. I'm sure it's not too different now for the dealers who still negotiate every deal.

I was never a closer though, and 'coffee's for closers'. I was always tired, due to little caffeine.

Each dealership has multiple profit centers: finance, after-market (mods), sales, service. Take your deal for example, if you financed with the dealer, they make a nice chunk of money there, probably 25%-50% of the total interest you will pay over the life of the loan. Probably more than on the vehicle sale. If you mod anything through the dealership, they're making a significant percentage off that as well. Service is there to grab your cash too.
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Purchase Date: August 13th 2013 (Montreal, Quebec, Canada)
Model: 2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara Dune
Options: Automatic, Dual tops, Uconnect 430N, Max Tow, Connectivity, Auto-temp, Remote start, Anti-spin
MSRP: $41,500$
Purchase price: 34250$ (1% under invoice)
Any discounts used: 3250$ Consumer Bonus Discount

Sales tax is 14.975% here... so I'm going to leave that calculation out, because it hurts to be reminded.
I just bought a 2013 JKUS similar to yours with heated seats etc.

Also offered the $3250 discount. There was a sale this past weekend, where a Chrysler person would be present so we went back on Saturday.

The Chrysler 'affiliate' was there and knocked off another $2000 from the price so we ended up with a pretty good deal.

I still feel that I paid too much but not complaining.
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I paid nothing. My cougar bought it for me.
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I want to say that on all deals at invoice or under a sales person is paid what they call a 'mini'. In the late 90's I sold cars, and a mini was worth $200. These days, the game has changed a bit. 'one-price' dealers pay their salespeople based on satisfaction and total units sold monthly. back in the era I sold in, all the money was made in used cars, or in getting a customer buying a new car to accept less than what trade trade was actually worth, that difference became part of the new car profit. Anything above invoice would pay about 30% to the salesperson. The more units you sold, that percentage would actually creep p to about 40%. If you we're good, you could make really good money. I'm sure it's not too different now for the dealers who still negotiate every deal.

I was never a closer though, and 'coffee's for closers'. I was always tired, due to little caffeine.

Each dealership has multiple profit centers: finance, after-market (mods), sales, service. Take your deal for example, if you financed with the dealer, they make a nice chunk of money there, probably 25%-50% of the total interest you will pay over the life of the loan. Probably more than on the vehicle sale. If you mod anything through the dealership, they're making a significant percentage off that as well. Service is there to grab your cash too.
That and legally in NY State at least, dealers can bump your interest rate 2% and keep that profit. For example, they might tell you that "ally" chryslers go-to bank, lowest rate is 4.99% but in reality it's 2.99%, ask to see the bank callback next time you finance a vehicle, ask for the bank reps number and your credit request number and ask them what your callback is. They tried that on me when I got mine and having sold cars before, I knew what they would do and I called there finance manager out on it, and they would never actually show me the paperwork, instead they told me "ok, ok, ok to make this deal happen ill call back the bank and see if I can get it lowered for you." Three minutes later, "good news sir we got you 2.99% from ally."
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You can't ask your self how much you paid for a particular model. The price is irrelevant after you factor the thousands of dollars in mods you will add to it.
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I paid nothing. My cougar bought it for me.
Fantastic!! Where do I find one of those.......a cougar, that is?? Oh, wait, I'm old enough that a cougar for me would have to be about 87!! Guess I'll just pay for my own!

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