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Old 11-20-2012, 08:33 AM   #31
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I have a few great deals. One is about $900 below invoice which puts it at 2-3% below invoice. The rest have hovered right at 1% below due to TL. My biggest issue has been trade. Once they see the TL or USAA pricing, the dealers became extremely stingy with my trade. They become totally disinterested in a deal. The other issue is I have not found one that I like and most likely will have to order and that's when they really clam up. They are coming in $2500-$3000 below KBB and other sources. How does one order but sell privately when the dates will most likely not coincide? Dealers in my area seem to be extremely allergic to the ordering concept. Any tips or ideas welcome.
Don't sell privately, there is a huge tax penalty for doing so. When you trade in you only pay sales tax on the difference between your trade and the new vehicle. If you sell privately you are going to pay full tax on the new vehicle purchase.

I was trading in a non-Chrysler car that my Jeep dealer had no interest in. It was a 2012 and had 18k miles on it, had it just over a year AND it had a blemish from a minor fender rub. I contacted my original dealer and asked them if they'd buy my car back. They wanted it and offered me $2k more than I owed on it (even knowing about the fender blem) and I worked it so that I would trade in my car toward my Jeep at the Jeep dealer and then have the Jeep dealer wholesale my car to my original dealer for the agreed upon trade price. I got my >$2k trade allowance, the tax benefit of only paying tax on the difference between my trade and the new Jeep, AND 2% below invoice on the Jeep. I was pretty happy with my creativity and ability to get the dealers to work this out. I may not have gotten 5% below invoice like some I'm reading here, but I turned an almost impossible situation into a workable deal with a little bit of equity in my trade.

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Just bought my first jeep last week (11/16)!!

The sticker on my 2013 Sport S was $28,800 and I got them down to $25,999 (9.72% off MSRP). I didn't qualify for any rebates so that price was from pure negotiation. It's was pretty easy to negotiate when the dealer knew I was talking to 5 different dealerships.

I got the power convenience package, auto trans, tinted windows, hard top, and the satellite radio. It's commando green and looks sexy as hell!! lol
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Pricing in the Fort Worth area!

The 2 dealers I've casually talked to here don't seem to be coming off of sticker on 2013 Unlimited Sports but most here are reporting 3-6% below invoice. What am I missing? Any dealership recommendations?

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Old 11-21-2012, 04:39 AM   #34
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The 2 dealers I've casually talked to here don't seem to be coming off of sticker on 2013 Unlimited Sports but most here are reporting 3-6% below invoice. What am I missing? Any dealership recommendations?

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Wow. Your Dealers are really stingy. Anyway, look up a program called Tread Lightly. If you get their 3 year membership ($60), it's a Chrysler affiliate 1% below invoice. Some Dealers will require paperwork, some just by the mere mention. There is also a posting of many companies that are also Chrysler affiliates. Perhaps you work for one of them. Even though I could've skated without paying $60, TL seems like a worthy cause.

Now to those who are hitting 3-6%? but I live in the Northeast. Tight and uptight.
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Wow. Your Dealers are really stingy. Anyway, look up a program called Tread Lightly. If you get their 3 year membership ($60), it's a Chrysler affiliate 1% below invoice. Some Dealers will require paperwork, some just by the mere mention. There is also a posting of many companies that are also Chrysler affiliates. Perhaps you work for one of them. Even though I could've skated without paying $60, TL seems like a worthy cause.

Now to those who are hitting 3-6%? but I live in the Northeast. Tight and uptight.
Thanks for the TL info. I am a Costco member which gets me $300 below invoice, which is close to 1%, but the participating dealer is a ways away. I mentioned it to a couple of local dealers and got smug responses suggesting it was B. S. Then they come back with sticker less $1k Conquest rebate like they were doing me a favor. I replied... So your offer is Sticker less a FACTORY rebate... Plus many have bogus dealer adds like Window etching etc. Very frustrating. Maybe someone should remind these guys that he economy sucks.. What was even more irritating is that neither dealer understood their own option packages.
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Thanks for the TL info. I am a Costco member which gets me $300 below invoice, which is close to 1%, but the participating dealer is a ways away. I mentioned it to a couple of local dealers and got smug responses suggesting it was B. S. Then they come back with sticker less $1k Conquest rebate like they were doing me a favor. I replied... So your offer is Sticker less a FACTORY rebate... Plus many have bogus dealer adds like Window etching etc. Very frustrating. Maybe someone should remind these guys that he economy sucks.. What was even more irritating is that neither dealer understood their own option packages.
TL is 1% below. Any factory rebates should be on top of the 1%. I would definitely call BS on those dealers

I also dealt with an inept salesman who didn't know the difference between an X, Sahara or a Rubicon. It was sad.

Anyway, read how TL works. It may help.
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Thanks for the TL info. I am a Costco member which gets me $300 below invoice, which is close to 1%, but the participating dealer is a ways away. I mentioned it to a couple of local dealers and got smug responses suggesting it was B. S. Then they come back with sticker less $1k Conquest rebate like they were doing me a favor. I replied... So your offer is Sticker less a FACTORY rebate... Plus many have bogus dealer adds like Window etching etc. Very frustrating. Maybe someone should remind these guys that he economy sucks.. What was even more irritating is that neither dealer understood their own option packages.
Check with your employer before you join TL. You might already be an Affiliate Member. Affiliate Rewards Elligible Companies

With that said....F those particular dealers. Read up on how the Affiliate Member discount works.
Affiliate Rewards Program Rules

Pat has been kind enough to provide the rules.


Here is the short version....

Dealer holdback is 3% of invoice. So 3% below invoice is basically dealer cost.

The dealer is reimbursed an additional 2% of invoice price when the Affiliate program is used. (Which makes sense as Chrysler employee pricing is basically 5% below invoice).

So not incuding any of the Chrysler VPA incentives, a price of 1% below invoice with an Affiiliate membership is basically (there are a few small fees in there) full holdback (3%) back PLUS 1% for the dealer. So as you can conclude...at this time of the year, with an Affiliate Membership...getting 3-4% below invoice isn't that hard.

Most rebates can be used in conjection with the Affiliate discount.
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There was a thread posted eariler for the 2012's that realy helped out folks buying 2012's so lets get the same thing going for the 2013's

if you have purchased one please provide:
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Just a bump on the thread to see what end of year specials anyone may be getting
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Just to confirm, the dealer gets 1% back if I use the Affiliate Program? So selling at 2% under invoice with a program # is the equivalent to selling at invoice since they get the 1% back?
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I'm working on a deal now on a 2013 JKU Sport S and the dealer's supposed bottom line is at 5.8% under invoice. I'm thinking if I get a halfway decent trade offfer and a good interest rate (sub 3%), I'll have a new Jeep by the end of the week!
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Just to confirm, the dealer gets 1% back if I use the Affiliate Program? So selling at 2% under invoice with a program # is the equivalent to selling at invoice since they get the 1% back?
Basically yes.

Dealers are reimbursed 2% of invoice (minus $75), with 1% of invoice to be passed on to the customer when the program is used.
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All that came up to an MSRP of $32,820. We used an Affiliate Rewards program through my work and got it for $30,563.

We also had a Cranberry 2003 PT Cruiser turbo with 123,xxx miles for a trade-in that looks great and is mostly free from any mechanical defects, as far as I know. We agreed on a price of $3,000.

Finally, we bought it from an out-of-state dealer. By doing so, we will not have to pay local sales tax back home when we register it. It's an additional savings of nearly $1,000.
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2013 JKU sport msrp $29355 24c, smokers group,auto, anti-spin, hard top, engine block heater,tinted windows and satellite radio are only options. otd 27127.00 no sales tax because I live in Montana, purchased from Dave Smith in Idaho the largest Dodge dealer in the world I believe. No hassle no haggle. Called to tell them I was headed over (about 2 hours away) and when I would be there and when I got there the jeep was ready(absolutely spotless) with a full tank of gas, salesman went over it, had me take it for a drive (it had 6 miles on it) to make sure it was what I wanted, asked me to crawl under it and examine it closely to make sure it met my expectations, signed papers and was headed back home in about an hour. No pressure to upsell or purchase extra warranties etc.
I also bought my Wrangler from Dave Smith and I cant say enough good about them. An absolute top notch dealer and a low low no haggle price that was a solid 10% under MSRP! They sell 10,000 cars a month and this is the reason.
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So could someone clarify for me, using the TL program do I still pay for the destination charge of $995.00?
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Finally, we bought it from an out-of-state dealer. By doing so, we will not have to pay local sales tax back home when we register it. It's an additional savings of nearly $1,000.
You are still required to pay your state's "USE TAX" when purchasing out of state. If you don't, you could owe it plus penalties if you get audited.

Edit: Some info from the CA DMV's site (my state). It's likely similar to the rules in your state. CA will just charge you the use tax when you try to register (plus any penalties if it is overdue).

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/reg_hdbk_pdf/ch4_usetax.pdf
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He'll pay sales tax/use tax when he registers it in his state. He won't get license plates until it is done.


Yes, you pay the $995 destination charge (whatever it is).
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Yes, you pay the $995 destination charge (whatever it is).[/QUOTE]

Thanks, just wasn't sure because it says the purchaser can not be charged delivery or handling fees in the Chrysler Affliated Rewards info. I assume delivery and handling fees are some of those extras that the dealers try to throw in sometimes.
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If you are a cash buyer (or have financing pre-arranged) you ought to be able to get around 8-12% off MSRP on a 2013. Ask around, for example there is a $1000 incentive if you own a VW, separate from all the other deals (like affiliate).

In addition, a larger dealer wll get you what you want. My last 3 JKUs weren't at my dealership. I tell my salesman what I want and he usually can trade an inventory wrangler to another dealer (within 250 miles or so) to get what I want to his lot.
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example there is a $1000 incentive if you own a VW, separate from all the other deals (like affiliate).
Do you mean Volkswagen? And how does that work?
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Yes Volkswagon.

Call your dealer and ask. I bought a JKU sport last week and got a $1000 rebate (line item on workup). You need to provide proof of ownership.

This isn't uncommon, there often is a competitive lease program (ie if you own/lease a GM, Ford will give you a $750 rebate to switch).

Chrysler used to have an additional $250 if you owned your own business - money if you are a law enforcement officer, military, etc.

You have to do some footwork to get these deals. I probably visited 4 or 5 dealerships till I found the right one.

Anymore, I call and tell him what I want, ie Black JKU sport, 3.73, hardtop, limited slip - that's it - and tell him 10% off MSRP is fair. Tell him I'll buy it now or in a month - he'll find it. I may end up paying for Sirius ($195) but it'll be very close to what I want and discounted.

Also, Jeep has this screwy comp sales program - where they get additional $$ if they beat last years numbers (for the month). If they have a good Sept 2011 and cannot beat it - they push sales into October - so patience has it's rewards.
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I also bought my Wrangler from Dave Smith and I cant say enough good about them. An absolute top notch dealer and a low low no haggle price that was a solid 10% under MSRP! They sell 10,000 cars a month and this is the reason.
Getting ours there. Been a good experience aswell.
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Msrp was 30,100 I got it for 26,500. I talked them down before dropping my Chrysler employee on them along with 500 military. And then about 3 months after getting it ( had it ordered ) I got hit by a drunk driver. Rolled twice. ( fractured skull, broken nose, blood clot in head that as long as it goes away in its own I won't die or need surgery ) I am having trouble finding a jeep with those options in my area seein as I can't order crush anymore. And having even more trouble finding a dealer to give me that good of a deal I got on that one. Any suggestions for dealers in the Chicago land area are defiantly appreciated.
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2013 2dr sport

Dual top
Max tow with 3.73
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Premium audio
Power convenience package

Msrp was 30,100 I got it for 26,500. I talked them down before dropping my Chrysler employee on them along with 500 military. And then about 3 months after getting it ( had it ordered ) I got hit by a drunk driver. Rolled twice. ( fractured skull, broken nose, blood clot in head that as long as it goes away in its own I won't die or need surgery ) I am having trouble finding a jeep with those options in my area seein as I can't order crush anymore. And having even more trouble finding a dealer to give me that good of a deal I got on that one. Any suggestions for dealers in the Chicago land area are defiantly appreciated.
That 2 door base sport crush was 30000?!?!?! What!!?!
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Forgot auto trans. That's my build sheet, but I added premium audio to it as well.
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Forgot auto trans. That's my build sheet, but I added premium audio to it as well.
Not bad I'd skip the steps and go aftermarket rails
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Not bad I'd skip the steps and go aftermarket rails
Never even looked into it. Noob here . That was my first jeep.
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Never even looked into it. Noob here . That was my first jeep.
500 is way way way too high you can get the same ones for 200 or the ace rock rails which are sworn upon here for I think 350$?? But definitely if you can drop those that's a huge rip off
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500 is way way way too high you can get the same ones for 200 or the ace rock rails which are sworn upon here for I think 350$?? But definitely if you can drop those that's a huge rip off
Yeah, seeing as I have to order another one sense that one is totaled I'm not doing it. Even if I get those same ones from mopar, I think they are just over 350. But as a Chrysler employee I get 25% off mopar parts. I def got shafted ordering with it. Def something to look into. Thanks.

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