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Old 11-26-2013, 08:17 AM   #1
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What is a smart buy for me?? (halp)

Hello. I was a previous FJ owner and now wanting to get a jeep. Now here's the deal...Not sure If I should go with a stock Rubi and Modify it myself. Or buy a jeep already modified. Here are my two options..


1) Buy a fully loaded 2014 stock Rubi X
2) Or buy this already tricked out 2014 Jeep Wrangler 4x4 Unlimited Sport ($54,000)
2014 Used Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 4WD 4dr Sport at Scottsdale Ferrari Serving Phoenix, AZ, IID 11267370


Is that overpriced for that jeep considering all the modifications?

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Holy crap! That's nice! If you can afford it buy it now!

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I like the base Rubi X and then modify to suit my own style. No doubt the $54,000 Jeep is nice but is it satisfying to you having it already modded?

It's also a Sport where the Rubi will have some tough upgrades already factory added.

I think that's the choice you have but different strokes for different folks.
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Nice looking Jeep. It's still just a sport though. If you don't go offroad and you don't need the lower gears and transfercase and lockers of a Rubicon that Jeep might work well. It really should have 4.88 or 5.13 gears though.
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See thats the thing...I feel like I have OCD when it comes to modifying these beasts. I go from one Idea then change it the next day. I feel like I should really just buy one already modified. However, I will do it if the price is justified...And thats why im here. Not sure if 54k is justified...or is it?
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um, don't buy a Jeep from a Ferrari dealer. Buy the x and with the extra 14000 you'll make yourself a much more capable jeep. (modding is fun too!)

seeing the last post, buy the x and drive it for a few months before you mod it. I bought a sport and started modding right away and after about a year I decided I'd gone the wrong direction, traded for a rubi and started over. It was all fun though and I don't regret it.
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Old 11-26-2013, 08:33 AM   #7
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Nice looking Jeep. It's still just a sport though. If you don't go offroad and you don't need the lower gears and transfercase and lockers of a Rubicon that Jeep might work well. It really should have 4.88 or 5.13 gears though.


Ok thats important to know. I will be using this strictly for off roading. So the sport is incapable due to the gear ratios? Also, I was hoping that this jeep would have lockers.. IF not that will be a deal breaker
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I could be wrong, but that jeep in the ad looks like a Starwood package...

If you are into buying a jeep like that, already modded, you should also check out starwoodmotors.com. Their home page says they have modded jeeps starting at ~$48k. Maybe you will find something that you like even better!

There was a guy here named rgnbull who bought a Starwood for his wife and he loved it. I haven't seen him post for a while now, but maybe if you sent him a PM he could tell you more about his Starwood experience, if you decide to go that route.

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Ok thats important to know. I will be using this strictly for off roading. So the sport is incapable due to the gear ratios? Also, I was hoping that this jeep would have lockers.. IF not that will be a deal breaker
Strictly for off roading? What kind? Anyone who says a Sport is not capable has no idea what they are talking about. You should mod according to the type of off roading you will do.

Rubicons do not automatically come with 4.10's anymore. You can get 3.73 in a Sport. Lockers on a Rubicon are electronic and only work in 4L. Lockers are not the be all end all for off roading. Neither is a Rubicon. Driver ability and skill is 90% of the equation.

That Jeep is built for the street, not off road. The 20" wheels are the first give away. A Sport does not have the lockers you were hoping for, however after market lockers would be far superior to the ones that come on a Rubicon.
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another option for a turnkey might be to buy it new, ship it to AEV, and bingo - out of the box - one modded ride...
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Correct me if I am wrong, but that Jeep needs a lot more supporting mods to safely use 38s, even on the street. Sleeves/gussets/shafts for the front axle at least, and gears would be a good idea.
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That is a lot of money for a sport you could buy a stock sport and put nicer stuff on it for less than 54K. I would get an unmolested jeep either a sport or Rubi X which ever you like better and mod it the way you like it. If you don't plan on very large tires the sport is fine but the rubi already has the better gearing, axles and T-Case so if you plan to wheel it and put bigger tires I would get the Rubi X.
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Old 11-26-2013, 09:11 AM   #13
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Is that overpriced for that jeep considering all the modifications?

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WAAY overpriced! Around 20K overpriced its a sport LOL
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If it is strictly for off road then buy the cheapest Jeep you can get off the lot and begin your build there. You're going to end up dropping the axles, transfer case, tranny, etc for all bullet proof replacement equipment. For that matter, why not ditch the 3.6 and drop in a salvaged hemi? Sell the 3.6, the axles, tranny, and all the other crap to offset some costs. You could easily build a rig that is far superior to a Rubi X or that ghetto cruiser for far less than $50K.
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Old 11-26-2013, 09:33 AM   #15
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Sorry but this modified Jeep is for show, questionable go. The fact that this is being sold by a Ferrari dealer should be your first clue. Yes, a Sport is capable, but people who dismiss the other engineered upgrades of the Rubicon don't know what they are talking about. I don't see anything in the spec sheet about the lift or any gearing changes, lockers, sway bar disco, etc. other than Billstien shocks. Do you really want 38" tires? What is your primary and secondary use of the Jeep?

As far as building your own, I see that a lot on this forum. For the truly mechanically gifted that is an option. But I also see the horror stories of people who put together a mix of things only to find out that they didn't work well together or that created additional expense for necessary further modification. Just how technically savvy are you? Don't misunderstand, but if you are having difficulty evaluating the Ferrari Jeep then maybe not so much.

The Rubicon is a much better starting point, and you can choose what you want, not just accept the mid-grade Smittybuilt stuff and whatever lift components were installed on this Jeep. When the local Jeep dealer here sells a modified Jeep it is done with AEV components and other first class parts and equipment. You don't have to worry about premature driveline/gear failure and erratic handling. Don't be misled by shiny things. It's what's underneath that matters. For a first time Jeep owner you would be ahead to start with a stock Rubicon, learn from it and modify it yourself as you feel the need. That's part of the fun of owning a Jeep (the modding affliction).
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Hello. I was a previous FJ owner and now wanting to get a jeep. Now here's the deal...Not sure If I should go with a stock Rubi and Modify it myself. Or buy a jeep already modified. Here are my two options..


1) Buy a fully loaded 2014 stock Rubi X
2) Or buy this already tricked out 2014 Jeep Wrangler 4x4 Unlimited Sport ($54,000)
2014 Used Jeep Wrangler Unlimited 4WD 4dr Sport at Scottsdale Ferrari Serving Phoenix, AZ, IID 11267370


Is that overpriced for that jeep considering all the modifications?

Thank you
I wouldn't touch that 54K Jeep with a 10 foot pole. It's built like sh!t. Do yourself a favor and buy a factory fresh Rubi X (if you like it) and mod it yourself, and built it properly, not the hackjob those idiots did. Its a 25K jeep and I don't see 30K of mods on it.

ROFLWAFFLEZ...factory dana30 with 3.21s and 38" tires...yea, that axle will last about a month. It also seems to have a lift and Im sure they didn't address any trackbar and drag link issues.
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Sorry but this modified Jeep is for show, not go. The fact that this is being sold by a Ferrari dealer should be your first clue. Yes, a Sport is capable, but people who dismiss the other engineered upgrades of the Rubicon don't know what they are talking about. I don't see anything in the spec sheet about a lift or gearing changes, lockers, sway bar disco, etc. other than Billstien shocks.

As far as building your own, I see that a lot on this forum. For the truly mechanically gifted that is an option. But I also see the horror stories of people who put together a mix of things only to find out that they didn't work well together or that created additional expense for necessary further modification. Just how technically savvy are you? Don't misunderstand, but if the Ferrari Jeep has appeal then maybe not so much.

The Rubicon is a much better starting point, and you can choose what you want, not just accept the mid-grade Smittybuilt stuff on this Jeep. When the local Jeep dealer here sells of modified Jeep it is done with AEV components and other first class parts and equipment. Don't be misled by shiny things. It's what's underneath that matters.
I agree, if you MUST buy a built Jeep from the showroom floor, buy an AEV'ed out Rubicon.

Not sure where you live OP, but have a look here, and find a new AEV vehicle for sale near you.

http://forum.aev-conversions.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33
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Unless that 54K Jeep has more mods than specified (gears, axles, etc) it is probably up for sale as the previous owner found it undriveable. If you are serious about off roading and want lockers then a Rubi would be a good place to start if you only want to do a few mods. If you want to mod it to the hilt then start with a sport.
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Ok thats important to know. I will be using this strictly for off roading. So the sport is incapable due to the gear ratios? Also, I was hoping that this jeep would have lockers.. IF not that will be a deal breaker
Get a Rubi X and enjoy.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:23 AM   #20
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If you can cut a 54,000 jeep payment my friend...man would I have some fun! A stock sport can do more than most drivers will ever do with them. For that kind of coin, I'd buy a stock sport and outfit it to the hill to your liking! I def wouldn't take that Jeep into the woods though. Like others have said, its a show Jeep. Unless they have a build sheet disclaiming all the driveline additions. Gears, lockers, heavier axels, gussets, and on and on. Find a reputable off road dealer in your area. Read some threads on here because a lot of off road shops will sell you snake oil. What is your destination? Rocks, mud, hill climbs, trail rides, all the above? GO from there. Build to your liking.
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Thank you all for the responses. I now know what to look into....AEV. Here in AZ we actually have an AEV certified dealership. Ill be giving them a call.

One more question...So having 3.73 gear ratio is not a good thing for say...35" tires and for running it on forest trails/mud/deep sand, and some Rock crawling?

oh and yes this will also be my daily driver... but not to many miles due to van pool.
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I would start with the Rubi - build it the way you need it if factory isn't enough for you.
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Thank you all for the responses. I now know what to look into....AEV. Here in AZ we actually have an AEV certified dealership. Ill be giving them a call.

One more question...So having 3.73 gear ratio is not a good thing for say...35" tires and for running it on forest trails/mud/deep sand, and some Rock crawling?

oh and yes this will also be my daily driver... but not to many miles due to van pool.
If you want 35s, you want 4.10s. Lucky for you, if you buy an AEV built rubicon, they always go with 4.10s.

Note, I am NOT telling you to buy an AEV vehicle...I simply said that if you MUST have a built rig right away from the showroom floor and don't want to build one yourself (you'll save a lot of money), then AEV is the only option I would even consider. If you do decide to just get a Rubicon and build it yourself, make damn sure you get/order the 4.10s....unless you live in a place like Colorado or California where you have a lot of excellent offroad shops that do regears for $1000. If so, then you can skip the $500 factory 4.10 option, and pay $1000 to get 4.56s put in.
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Like others have stated it will be sluggish and not sure the options equal 30K. Look around and get something you will be happy with. Lurk the forums and learn before you buy, I bought my 13 JKU and within a week had it exactly how I wanted it.
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Im still around. Jeep is doing great. I have many vehicles including a 6" lifted MegaCab with 37's. Lets just say the Mega Cab has seen approx 300 miles since the Jeep arrived in July. I find myself taking the jeep more and more.(thank god the wife also loves her other SUV. In fact, Im thinking about having Starwood build me another. BUT, I think I will start with a Rubi as the base and use some higher end add-ons.


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I could be wrong, but that jeep in the ad looks like a Starwood package...

If you are into buying a jeep like that, already modded, you should also check out starwoodmotors.com. Their home page says they have modded jeeps starting at ~$48k. Maybe you will find something that you like even better!

There was a guy here named rgnbull who bought a Starwood for his wife and he loved it. I haven't seen him post for a while now, but maybe if you sent him a PM he could tell you more about his Starwood experience, if you decide to go that route.

Good luck, whatever you decide to do!
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We have a 4 wheel parts here in Portland that does the installs on parts they sell. They had a Ruby in their shop that was set up really nice 4" long arm lift Dana 60 ARB lockers rock rails flat fenders light bar and wad getting Poison Spider bumpers installed. All really good components. That would be a better way than the unknowns on that jeep for 54k
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For $54,000, buy a 2011 Rubi, have a Hemi swapped into it and use the rest to take the wife out to dinner...

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