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Old 06-19-2012, 06:48 PM   #91
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I got it at NAPA. They had it there even though it didn't come up on the Amsoil website.
I will have to call my local NAPA and see if they have it. If not ill just order online

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I would LOVE to see Chrysler deny my warranty because I ran Mobil1. I would have a field day with them. While I can appreciate the post, they would NEVER EVER win.

Here is some more food for thought. Mobil is one of the most widely used/supplied oils in existence. Mercedes, Porsche, Ferrari, Lambos, Honda and Toyota ALL use Mobil oil (some companies like AMG model Mercedes actually have the Mobil logo on the oil cap.) By law, Chrysler cannot force you to use Chrysler to service your vehicle. They can only force you to DO the service. Now, there are plenty of Garages that use mobil as their default oil. 95% of Chrysler customers are NOT car enthusiasts like us. They walk into a local shop and say "good day sir, I need an oil change." They have NO idea what oil the shop will use, and they don't need to know. There is no way on gods green earth that Chrysler could ever deny your warranty based on the fact that you used an oil from a company that they don't like.
This is part of the reason we have a billion warning signs on EVERYTHING these days! Ignorance has turned into a valid excuse, and there is no more responsibility for the consumer to actually EDUCATE themselves about what they buy and how they use the product! I like Mobil1 , but I didn't know Chrysler doesnt want it in the '12 JK and that this bit is in the owner manual. But if it's in the manual, what the heck more do they need to do??? If you CHOOSE to Take it to walmart or some other cheap oil change place that doesnt know what to put in your car, it's 100000% YOUR fault! Even if YOU win and they fix YOUR engine (hypothetically speaking), they'll just add some more warnings and shut that loophole for good... and people will still be just as uneducated about what they buy, and the root issue will remain unaddressed

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Old 09-29-2012, 02:10 AM   #93
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I just did my first oil change last week. I went according to my owners manual which says "We recommend you use API
Certified SAE 5W-20 Engine
Oil, meeting the requirements
of Chrysler Material
Standard MS-6395.
Refer to your engine oil filler
cap for correct SAE grade."

Why is everyone using 5w30??
Did I &*@&# up my first oil change??
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:32 AM   #94
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mobile 1 synthetic here. Thought about using castrol synthetic cause they claim to be better than mobile 1 without getting sued by mw, but I had mw in stock.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:56 AM   #95
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I'm new here and new Jeep owner. I have always used Mobil 1 oil. My 1999 Chevy S-10 pickup has 306400 miles on it on Mobile 1 since it was new and still uses no oil between oil changes. 3 starter, 2 alternators, 9 belts same motor. That's all the I have to say on Mobile 1 oil
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:43 AM   #96
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I think someones been drinking the Amsoil koolaid. Yes it is great oil. Its all I will use in my small engines, bikes ,atv ect. Total waste of money for the Jeep unless you can get it for less than M1 or similar. Now their gear oil is another story its what I will use when the time comes for diff service on the Jeep.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:52 AM   #97
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I use what the manufacturer recommends including a Mopar filter. I really don't care to add synthetic, in the Pentastar its wasted money. I always go with what the manufacturer wants, they designed the thing, also why I refuse to run octane higher than 87. My YJ has 344,000 miles and its never tasted a drop of synthetic.
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My 95 YJ was a 2.5 and never ran anything in it but Castrol GTX. Had 285k when I sold it 7 years ago and the guy is still driving it everyday .

For you non synth guys what brand are you using ?
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:38 AM   #99
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My 95 YJ was a 2.5 and never ran anything in it but Castrol GTX. Had 285k when I sold it 7 years ago and the guy is still driving it everyday .

For you non synth guys what brand are you using ?
Using Valvoline Premium Conventional 10W-30 oil these days and will continue to do so as long as WalMart keeps offering Valvoline on sale from time to time. 5W-30 is usually available as well.

Hard to say what one is getting when they buy oil. Too much hype, distorted information, and not enough facts. One comparison I use is Pour Points. For examples:
Mobil 1000 10W-30 conventional oil: -30C
Castrol GTX 10W-30 conventional oil: -30C
Valvoline Premium Conventional 10W-30: -36C*
Castrol Edge with SPT synthetic 10W-30: -36C**
Castrol Edge with STP synthetic 0W-30: -54C***

*likely contains, although not mentioned, some synthetic oil. Some conventional oils do according to an article I read on Jobbers World earlier this year.
**a petroleum based "synthetic" oil from Group lll base stocks. Most so called "synthetic" oils in North America fall into this category.
***an European formula, made in Germany, available in North America (quart/liter size), made from actual synthetic base stocks ie Group lV. Most Major oil companies offer an European formula.

Additional Pour Points:
Castrol GTX 5W-30 conventional oil: -33C
Castrol Edge with SPT synthetic 5W-30: -39C
Valvoline Premium Conventional oil 5W-30: -42C
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:32 PM   #100
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I think someones been drinking the Amsoil koolaid. Yes it is great oil. Its all I will use in my small engines, bikes ,atv ect. Total waste of money for the Jeep unless you can get it for less than M1 or similar. Now their gear oil is another story its what I will use when the time comes for diff service on the Jeep.
You are correct on the koolaid of Amsoil . M1 also makes great full syn gear oil. BTW Ford has the best manual transmission oil-made in Germany and sells for about $18/ qt.
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I just did my first oil change last week. I went according to my owners manual which says "We recommend you use API
Certified SAE 5W-20 Engine
Oil, meeting the requirements
of Chrysler Material
Standard MS-6395.
Refer to your engine oil filler
cap for correct SAE grade."

Why is everyone using 5w30??
Did I &*@&# up my first oil change??
They use 5W-30 because they mistakenly think it is better. Same for 10W-30. Old school DINO thinking. 5W-20extended performance M1 or 0W-40 M1 full syn ie. class IV. If you use DINO oil change per manufactures schedule. If full syn run 10k.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:46 AM   #102
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They use 5W-30 because they mistakenly think it is better. Same for 10W-30. Old school DINO thinking. 5W-20extended performance M1 or 0W-40 M1 full syn ie. class IV. If you use DINO oil change per manufactures schedule. If full syn run 10k.
Right, it has nothing to do with the fact that pre 2013 Wranglers took 5w-30, it's all from people being ignorant
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Right, it has nothing to do with the fact that pre 2013 Wranglers took 5w-30, it's all from people being ignorant
You are correct sir. My mistake, the 2012 uses 5W-30 and the 2013 uses 5W-20.
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Old 12-09-2012, 01:48 PM   #104
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Here's my fluid changes to date on my 2013. What can I say. I was a bitogaholic

oil change @ 350 miles Castrol syntec 5-30 with new Wix filter.

oil change @ 588 miles. Amsoil signature 5-30 with new Wix filter.

760 miles Amsoil 75-140 severe gear rear diff. 2 quarts.

890 miles. Changed 6 speed tranny oil. 2 qts Mopar MS 9224

890 miles. Changed transfer case aft. 2+qts Amsoil multi vehicle synthetic
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How does your motor know what you give it? Amsoil is good, but to pricey the way they market it. Mobil 1 works just fine in everything I own except my classic.
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Help!!Well this thread has convinced me - Just want and bought AMSOIL for our 2012 JK Unlimited (Oscar Mike). This will be my first oil change.. Here's my question "Chrysler recommends MS-6395 but the AMSOIL states MS-6395N. What is the difference and am I okay using it? Thanks everyone!
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I use zero weight Mobil1 synthetic all year long. I now have 146,000 kms on the clock with no problems. The zero weight allows the oil to get where it's needed at least four times faster than 5 weight in warm weather and in sub-zero temps it can literally take minutes off the initial lube cycle.
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Using Penzoil Ultra 5W20 on my 2013 JKU
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You are correct sir. My mistake, the 2012 uses 5W-30 and the 2013 uses 5W-20.
Yes, unless you're in my shoes. I bought some Mobil-1 in 5W-30 and then when I opened the hood of my 2012 JK, I read the oil cap and it says "5W-20"! Asked a dealer service tech and he says "Ummm, call Jeep". Called Jeep -- lots of head scratching and manual checking. The manual for 2012 says 5W-30 but ALSO refers the owner to use what's on the cap -- 5W-20 in my case. Ugh.

So, what to use to keep my 2012 warranty intact? Jeep Cust Service finally said to me that for 2012 Pentastar equipped Wranglers, either 5W-20 or 5W-30 are OK to use in the 2012s and they documented it for me.
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I had a 2006 Magnum SRT-8 that came with 0w-30 mobil 1 straight from the factory. So what changed in 7 years that Mobil 1 is no good in Chrysler engines these days.

If I still owned that Magnum and had an oil changed at dealership would they still use mobil 1?

I think Mobil 1 must not have paid theri bribe money to Fiat Chrysler for certification.
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Yes, unless you're in my shoes. I bought some Mobil-1 in 5W-30 and then when I opened the hood of my 2012 JK, I read the oil cap and it says "5W-20"! Asked a dealer service tech and he says "Ummm, call Jeep". Called Jeep -- lots of head scratching and manual checking. The manual for 2012 says 5W-30 but ALSO refers the owner to use what's on the cap -- 5W-20 in my case. Ugh.

So, what to use to keep my 2012 warranty intact? Jeep Cust Service finally said to me that for 2012 Pentastar equipped Wranglers, either 5W-20 or 5W-30 are OK to use in the 2012s and they documented it for me.
Hmmm......my 2012 cap plainly has 5W-30 on it. Maybe some smartass assembling your engine put the wrong cap on it.
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Hmmm......my 2012 cap plainly has 5W-30 on it. Maybe some smartass assembling your engine put the wrong cap on it.
My 2013 cap plainly has 5w-20 written on it. Same smart ass assembled mine. Or yours is wrong. Or perhaps they recommend different viscosities for different climates? I don't know.
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Now I'm going to have to check mine tomorrow. 2012. Haven't had an oil change yet.
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My 2013 cap plainly has 5w-20 written on it. Same smart ass assembled mine. Or yours is wrong. Or perhaps they recommend different viscosities for different climates? I don't know.
Jeep Android app says 5w-30...going to check my cap in the morning.
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My 2013 cap plainly has 5w-20 written on it. Same smart ass assembled mine. Or yours is wrong. Or perhaps they recommend different viscosities for different climates? I don't know.
Your cap is correct; 2013s use 5W-20. I have a 2012 like BManz who said his cap has 5W-20 on it when it should be 5W-30.
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My 2012 says "5W-30." Unless you're in extreme temperatures, it won't make any difference mechanically which one you use.
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The dealer near me is offering a four pack for $19.99/EACH when you buy 4 oil changes up front. Good for two years. I'd rather take my dog for a jog while they change it for me then spend 2 hours (start to finish) changing my own and fiddle F'ing around with the process/cleanup/disposal etc. Maybe I'm a wuss, but I'd rather do one of the cool mods that all you guys think of than change oil! The magnet Mag Light mount is next up.
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^^ I feel the very same way you do my friend. However I kinda do wish I could have the time (kids) to start doing my own oil changes, specially on my 2013 JKR with only 1300 miles. I am taking it to the dealer tomorrow to have its first oil change done and man I just love being a lazy fack, drinking their delicious Starbucks coffee and just sit on those couches while somebody else takes care of my baby. Is that a bad thing to do? Should I feel bad about it?
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My 2012 says "5W-30." Unless you're in extreme temperatures, it won't make any difference mechanically which one you use.
I am in Calgary Canada. Extreme cold temperature is common here. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

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