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Old 05-01-2014, 09:23 AM   #1
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Well guys and galls... It's come to the point with my '13 Jku of contacting a lemon law attorney. My baby has been in the shop 6 times now and a total of 20 days for the same issue. I just got it back from the dealer again and it's still overheating, along with a new found issue.

I won't get in to specifics, I have another thread about the problems I've had, but I'm at a crossroad

If the case is accepted do I try and go for a new jeep? I'm going to take a 10k mileage hit on the buyback. I also have put a lot of mods into it that I will have to remove myself if I want to keep, and some I can't remove like my hood louver.

Do I try and go for a small cash settlement and keep the jeep with said problem and whatever else happens down the line?

Or do I, dare I say it, switch to another vehicle?

I would never have dreamed of ditching my jeep. My blood, sweat, and tears have gone into this Jku, literally. I've bled all over it (popped my finger like a grape putting on the steel bumper). But going through all these dealer trips only to turn around the next day and take it back has made me sick. Sick to the point where I'm actually considering it.

... Please weigh in.

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Well guys and galls... It's come to the point with my '13 Jku of contacting a lemon law attorney. My baby has been in the shop 6 times now and a total of 20 days for the same issue. I just got it back from the dealer again and it's still overheating, along with a new found issue. I won't get in to specifics, I have another thread about the problems I've had, but I'm at a crossroad If the case is accepted do I try and go for a new jeep? I'm going to take a 10k mileage hit on the buyback. I also have put a lot of mods into it that I will have to remove myself if I want to keep, and some I can't remove like my hood louver. Do I try and go for a small cash settlement and keep the jeep with said problem and whatever else happens down the line? Or do I, dare I say it, switch to another vehicle? I would never have dreamed of ditching my jeep. My blood, sweat, and tears have gone into this Jku, literally. I've bled all over it (popped my finger like a grape putting on the steel bumper). But going through all these dealer trips only to turn around the next day and take it back has made me sick. Sick to the point where I'm actually considering it. ... Please weigh in.
Contact a good lawyer and get yourself a brand new Jeep and remove those mods. I've been thru this in the past, it sucks, but if the Jeep is a lemon it's a lemon. Get yourself a new one and be happy. Best of luck.

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The dealer I bought my Jeep from were a bunch of idiotic morons, I switched dealers and never looked back.


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Contact a good lawyer and get yourself a brand new Jeep and remove those mods. I've been thru this in the past, it sucks, but if the Jeep is a lemon it's a lemon. Get yourself a new one and be happy. Best of luck.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:45 AM   #5
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I can almost guarantee the dealer has not properly purged the air from your cooling system. The machine they use simply does not work on JK's.

The heater core is above the radiator, if you hear water gushing behind your dash at startup you have tons of air trapped inside your cooling system and it just won't keep your engine cool.

My 2012 Rubicon with 12K miles has been in to the dealer 5 times for cooling system problems. They've replaced everything except the air trapped in the cooling system.

There is a very simple tool that gets every last bit of trapped air out of your rad and heater core.

It's a large funnel that has a fitting on the bottom similar to your radiator cap.
Run the jeep for about 15-20 minutes with that funnel on there and add coolant as it burps air.
It's amazing how much air the dealer mechanics leave inside the cooling system and consider "normal".
My JK with new rad, heater core, water pump, thermostat and lines sucked over a gallon of coolant after the dealer "purged" it twice on their machine and said it was good to go.

Most normal mechanics have one, you can buy one for about $35 and do it yourself too.
Much cheaper and easier than hiring a lawyer.

I'd avoid the dealer for anything but and ECU flash. They're proven to be incompetent nationwide when it comes to diagnosing and repairing Wranglers.
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Sometimes a manufacturer produces a lemon. I've had two Hondas I'd put in that category, even though everyone else seems to love Honda. My dad had a new '64 Buick with a lemon engine. Gave him trouble for years until it was finally rebuilt - then it was fine. Lemons happen.

If it were me, I'd try to force them to take it back under the lemon law and replace it with a new vehicle. That would be my priority. Everything else I'd consider secondary.
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Believe me. I've tried everything. I bought one of those funnels and have used it after every time I've gotten it back from the dealer. This is also the second dealer it's been to. It's beyond a simple fix now. The thermostat has been replaced twice, new water pump, the system has been flushed, new computer, new cooling fan, pressure tested, leak tested etc etc.

How much of a hit do you think I'll take on this if I go the new jeep route? The first couple posts are making me feel better about that option but I still don't know..
My concern is all the money lost in my jeep.. And trying to find another one for a similar price.. I can't afford to get one that's thousands more expensive
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I have had many Jeeps over the years. Bought a completely loaded '05 JGC (msrp around $45k!). Absolutely loved it, but had so many issues. Complete abs system replaced, both front axel seals (rt twice), rear axel assy replaced, center diff replaced, many many diff sensors and ecm. Was in the shop over 50 days in the first 3 months!
Talked to the service mgr and just asked about a lemon law trade. He had a chrysler rep process it, and about a week later the svc mgr calls me and tells me to find another chrysler with an msrp within 110% of my orig msrp...not what I paid btw.
The dealer actually had a new '06 nearly the same..had sat radio and chrome rimes which were not an option on the '05. Was about 2k more. Went into the office and sign 2 papers and switched keys. No money switched hands. Paid cash for the 05, so i am guessing if its financed, it will be more paperwork.
It was a very painless event.
I would talk to ur service general mgr and see what he says. If no joy, try calling another dealer. Tell them u want to switch parts to ur new one. They may play along. Might have to pay them labor for them to do it possibly.
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Have you tried telling he dealer you would like to trade it in? I mean if they fixed it they should give you a great trade in price right. Just another option before paying some attorney money.
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Contact a good lawyer and get yourself a brand new Jeep and remove those mods. I've been thru this in the past, it sucks, but if the Jeep is a lemon it's a lemon. Get yourself a new one and be happy. Best of luck.

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OK, I read your other thread and the only thing that comes to mind (that I haven't seen posted) is that possibly, somewhere in the fiasco, OAT and HOAT got mixed (you mention milky looking coolant). When the two get mixed, it really gums up the works, particularly in the heater core. Have you tried running full heat and seeing if you're getting much output? If they haven't flushed or replaced the core, it might be blocked and preventing full flow through your system. Just a last ditch thought before you pursue lemon law or try and trade it in.

Also, I agree with Cajun. Try and figure out what the cost of pursuing lemon law (attorney, your time, court time, etc.) and weigh that against what they'll ding you on depreciation on a trade. If it's a wash or within points of one another, I'd go with a trade before the pain and uncertainty of the lemon route.
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Shouldn't have to use an attorney.
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I just went through a Lemon law buy back in Feb. Chrysler paid MSRP and paid for all the mods I had done to the Jeep that I had receipts for. They even paid for the windshield banner for my local club.
Take off what you can and gather the receipts for the ones you cannot remove easily. The process takes much longer than I would have thought and I had to stay on them like fleas on an old hound dog, but I have a brand new JKUR, that so far has had zero issues.
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OK, I read your other thread and the only thing that comes to mind (that I haven't seen posted) is that possibly, somewhere in the fiasco, OAT and HOAT got mixed (you mention milky looking coolant). When the two get mixed, it really gums up the works, particularly in the heater core. Have you tried running full heat and seeing if you're getting much output? If they haven't flushed or replaced the core, it might be blocked and preventing full flow through your system. Just a last ditch thought before you pursue lemon law or try and trade it in.

Also, I agree with Cajun. Try and figure out what the cost of pursuing lemon law (attorney, your time, court time, etc.) and weigh that against what they'll ding you on depreciation on a trade. If it's a wash or within points of one another, I'd go with a trade before the pain and uncertainty of the lemon route.

It ended up being normal when I put it in a clear container, but I appreciate the help out. Heater works good, too good haha.
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I did contact one attorney who has worked with Chrysler before. Minimal fees if I win, no fees if I don't. For the cost I'm going to see if he can get Chrysler to make an offer outside the court room. I never thought of a trade in, I feel as though I might take a bigger loss that way but who knows
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I did a buyback on a Hyundai 2 years ago. I had a lemon law attorney and if we had gone to court we would have won. We went into dealer, talked to the general manager, said buy the car back for what I owed(I didnt have any mods) or we would go to court. They had 48 hours to decide. The called the lawyer the next day and decided to do buyback.

They get the car with a clean title to do with as they please. If they do the lemon law route, they get a car with a lemon or in some states a salvage title and its worth almost nothing.

Worth it to go down that path before going down the lemon path. I think I ended up paying the lawyer $500.
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have you tried taking it to a non dealer mechanic?

I feel your pain, but if it is a simple fix that an actual mechanic can do, it might be easier than starting all over.
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Did it actually overheat to the point of boiling over, redlining the needle, dash lights coming on? Or just run hot under stress conditions? My 14 runs hot under load.

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