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Old 07-03-2012, 11:54 AM   #1
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Wheel Balancing Question

Well had my new pintlers and 285/70/17 duratracs on for a few hundred miles and I have a wobble that I've had since new. Finally went and looked and it turns out that the wheels have NO weights on the outside either tap or stick on style. I'm going to get them re-balanced on saturday. Has anyone seen a shop do this before? There are tap on weights on the inside, but nothing on the outside. Also do y'all think road force balancing is worth the $$$?

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Most shops these days won't put weights on the outside edge of the wheel unless you specifically tell them too. You can balance them just as well without weights on there with come creative adjustment of the balancing machine. As long as they are dynamically balanced and not just static balanced they should be fine.

Road force balancing is OK, but I would not pay extra for it. It can cure some problems inherent with regular balancing, but has its own problems as well.

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Ok not trying to argue, so please don't take it that way. Just trying to educate myself, but every other balance I've ever had done always has at least the tape weights on the outside of the rim just behind the spoke there at a minimum. I've just never seen it this way.

I checked my lift over, for anything loose and I can't find anything. Since then new tires I have a wobble from 45-55 then it goes away, so I think it's a balancing issue.
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Hey oil... What are the issues with road force balancing ?

I think it al comes down to who is balancing the tires. Some of these guys are idiots and don't know s**t
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Kelsey, you have a Lift right?

My Jk has had this wobble/jiggle since the lift with stock tires.
I have see a few mentions of "Jk jiggle" or lifted "Jk shake" but no information on it.
Even through google, nothing ?
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Kelsey, you have a Lift right?

My Jk has had this wobble/jiggle since the lift with stock tires.
I have see a few mentions of "Jk jiggle" or lifted "Jk shake" but no information on it.
Even through google, nothing ?
Yes I do. It was smooth as stock when the stock tires were installed. If nothing comes of this balancing, I'll just chalk it up to a JK mystery lol
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I have a friend who owns a shop, and favors are always traded. One of those is free mounting and balancing of tires. Both of use have owned H1's, so we're often balancing 40" or 42" tires on aluminum or steel split rims. A general rule seems to be the larger the tire, usually more problems associated with it.

What you ought to do is go back and have them rebalanced and ask if you can watch. Look for an "out of round" tire. You'll see it wobble side to side, or sort of up and down. It will still balance, but it will cause a shake or vibration when put on your vehicle. If you cannot return it, put the worst on the spare carrier or rear of the vehicle. Also look at the rims, see that they aren't bent contributing to the problem.
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Ok not trying to argue, so please don't take it that way. Just trying to educate myself, but every other balance I've ever had done always has at least the tape weights on the outside of the rim just behind the spoke there at a minimum. I've just never seen it this way.
Stick on weights behind the spokes are the correct way to do a dynamic balance without using the clip on weights. I thought you meant you didn't have any weights on the face of the wheel, which would have been wrong. Even with stick on weights inside the spokes you have to lie to the machine to make it come out right. If they didn't tell the right lies, the wheels will never balance right.

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Hey oil... What are the issues with road force balancing ?
I will probably butcher this explanation since I haven't balanced a wheel in about 2.5 years (Thank God!), but basically if you have a tire that is balanced, but slightly out of round the roadforce balancer will pick up the out of round and misinterpret it as a balance problem. It makes you put weights on the opposite side of the wheel to fix this, then you have an out of balance wheel. A regular spin balancer operates strictly from balance and ignores tire problems that a decent tire buster should be able to detect just by watching the tire spin.

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Much truth here. Three days of tire college isn't enough for most people to really learn what they are doing. Even if they do learn how to operate the machine they are at a disadvantage because they don't know the "why" to go along with the "how".
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I have no weights on the outside (wheel face) side of the wheel. No tap ons or stick ons. That's why I was confused
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Anyone tried a product called Dyna Beads? Many people use them in Motor Homes, Over the road trucks and Motorcycles. This is not the Equal Product which caused moisture clumping and problems. These are ceramic beads installed in the tire. I have them in my Motor Home and plan to use them in the JKU as well as my Harley. Just a thought.
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I have no weights on the outside (wheel face) side of the wheel. No tap ons or stick ons. That's why I was confused
After reading what I wrote before I see that I wasn't very clear. It is correct that you have no weights of the face of the wheel. The correct place to put them is right behind the spokes. If you don't have them behind the spokes they either did it wrong or just did a static balance, which isn't much better than wrong.
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After reading what I wrote before I see that I wasn't very clear. It is correct that you have no weights of the face of the wheel. The correct place to put them is right behind the spokes. If you don't have them behind the spokes they either did it wrong or just did a static balance, which isn't much better than wrong.
That is correct. That's why I'm going to get them re-balanced at a reputable tire shop. They did a good job mounting (no damage) but they didn't balance properly, and I'm assuming it was a static balance.

As far as the road force balance goes, I was going to get it until it was $16 / tire more than a normal balance.
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As many know my tires are badly out of round.
This guy did a good job for what he had to work with.

He used clip ons on the inside lip and sticky's on the inside outer part of the rim.

There are different ways to balance tires from what I read.
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Anyone tried a product called Dyna Beads? Many people use them in Motor Homes, Over the road trucks and Motorcycles. This is not the Equal Product which caused moisture clumping and problems. These are ceramic beads installed in the tire. I have them in my Motor Home and plan to use them in the JKU as well as my Harley. Just a thought.
here is a Link DynaBeads
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Yes I have and so has Kjeeper here on this forum. Read here about them.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/dyna-beads-165986.html

Tire Balancing with weights on boths sides of wheel?

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/dea...in-168189.html

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/33x...os-165614.html
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A quick balance and they're fixed. Imagine that. Things are back to smooth sailing.

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