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Old 04-05-2012, 12:11 PM   #1
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Wheels, tires, and lifts

So, I've done a lot of reading on here about this subject ... seems to be a hot topic But I wanted to get some opinions before I drop a load of cash on jacking up my jeep.

So far, I think I want a Rock Krawler 3.5 Flex lift

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And Cooper A/T3's



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So, I've done a lot of reading on here about this subject ... seems to be a hot topic But I wanted to get some opinions before I drop a load of cash on jacking up my jeep.

So far, I think I want a Rock Krawler 3.5 Flex lift

ATX 16" wheels:

And Cooper A/T3's

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I'm thinkin bout those wheels also but for tire I would go bfg km2 and for the lift.go BDS...I have the 3" nd love it

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Yeah, those wheels are awesome. When it comes to the lift kit I went based solely on what others said in the Lift Kit Review thread ... so, I'm open to whatever. I have never installed one before, so it should be interesting to see what happens I may end up buying the kit and taking it to a shop to install it ... We'll see.

I just looked up the BFG's you recommended, those look awesome! 315/75/16?

It would be nice to see what other people have done with their Red Jeeps. I see a lot of black, silver, and green jeeps with cool mods, but not many other colors.
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love the thread title.

those atx are pretty cool but I could do without so much chrome, maybe just the bolts being chrome (hence why I chose my wheels). still awesome looking though.

I want to just go ahead and say don't get A/T's...I got them and I wish I would have got the more aggressive looking m/t's like the duratracs or hankooks that most have. it's a better look for the jeep and I think they are even cheaper...from personally having an A/T, they look pretty cool, but NOT as cool as m/t's. and be honest, you want it to look awesome. the gas mileage difference won't change remarkably and neither will the road noise. idk, just my .02 (which is about what my opinion is worth lol).

no idea about the lift besides some have told me if I start going higher than 2.5 i'll have to look into changing the ds which I am not willing to do.

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Welcome from right down the road in Burlington.

Those ATX wheels are very nice! With that 3.5" RK system, I am guessing you are wanting to go 35s? Looking at your profile, seems you have a 2011. If so, then you are definitely going to want to regear. With that D30 front, I would go 5.13s and you are gonna want sleeve and gusset to stengthen that puppy up, especially if you plan to wheel it pretty regularly. With that lift height, you may need to look into a new driveshaft(s) as well.

RK makes some great lifts, so you aren't going wrong there. However, you can fit 35s with something as simple as a Teraflex 2.5" coil lift. If you are set on Rock Krawler (ain't a damn thing wrong with that!), then you could look into the Stock Mod.
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...I want to just go ahead and say don't get A/T's...I got them and I wish I would have got the more aggressive looking m/t's like the duratracs...
Duratracs are A/Ts.
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Welcome from right down the road in Burlington.

Those ATX wheels are very nice! With that 3.5" RK system, I am guessing you are wanting to go 35s? If so, be ready for the 'possibility' of a regear, dependent on what year and gear you have. And, if you have a D30 front, you are gonna want sleeves and gussets to stengthen that puppy up, especially if you plan to wheel it pretty regularly. With that lift height, you may need to look into a new driveshaft(s) as well.

RK makes some great lifts, so you aren't going wrong there. However, you can fit 35s with something as simple as a Teraflex 2.5" coil lift. If you are set on Rock Krawler (ain't a damn thing wrong with that!), then you could look into the Stock Mod.

Duratracs are A/Ts.
fo realz? why does the tread pattern look so different? didn't look like a/ts in person haha, I'm talking about the 33x12.5r15/16, those aren't m/ts?. my bad op, that's why I said my opinion is worth .02
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love the thread title.

those atx are pretty cool but I could do without so much chrome, maybe just the bolts being chrome (hence why I chose my wheels). still awesome looking though.

I want to just go ahead and say don't get A/T's...I got them and I wish I would have got the more aggressive looking m/t's like the duratracs or hankooks that most have. it's a better look for the jeep and I think they are even cheaper...from personally having an A/T, they look pretty cool, but NOT as cool as m/t's. and be honest, you want it to look awesome. the gas mileage difference won't change remarkably and neither will the road noise. idk, just my .02 (which is about what my opinion is worth lol).

no idea about the lift besides some have told me if I start going higher than 2.5 i'll have to look into changing the ds which I am not willing to do.

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Thanks for the info! Very helpful

After looking at those BFG KM2's I'm in agreement, the cooper's aren't Jeep enough for what I'm going for. I not only want it to look awesome, but when I go hunting I want to be able to get myself out of the mud and go over some rough terrain.
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fo realz? why does the tread pattern look so different? didn't look like a/ts in person haha, I'm talking about the 33x12.5r15/16, those aren't m/ts?. my bad op, that's why I said my opinion is worth .02
Yup, the Duratrac is an AT. That's why they are so damn popular; you get the look of a semi-aggressive MT and the onroad performance of a AT. And they are a very good offroad performer, with the only drawback in rocky terrain being the 2 ply sidewall.
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Thanks for the info! Very helpful

After looking at those BFG KM2's I'm in agreement, the cooper's aren't Jeep enough for what I'm going for. I not only want it to look awesome, but when I go hunting I want to be able to get myself out of the mud and go over some rough terrain.
yea, regardless if the duratracs I was saying aren't real m/t's they at least look a lot better imo. and if I were you, I'd go m/t's anyway...seems like they'll suit you a lot better. just look at my jeep and although 33's look nice, I'll never put an a/t on my jeep again. these will probably be sold in a few months anyway as I'll be getting a bigger, better beast on my wheels. post up final pics!
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Yup, the Duratrac is an AT. That's why they are so damn popular; you get the look of a semi-aggressive MT and the onroad performance of a AT.
ahhh, I see...well f. sorry about the mistake op! :wavy:

go with m/ts! lol
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Welcome from right down the road in Burlington.

Those ATX wheels are very nice! With that 3.5" RK system, I am guessing you are wanting to go 35s? Looking at your profile, seems you have a 2011. If so, then you are definitely going to want to regear. With that D30 front, I would go 5.13s and you are gonna want sleeve and gusset to stengthen that puppy up, especially if you plan to wheel it pretty regularly. With that lift height, you may need to look into a new driveshaft(s) as well.

RK makes some great lifts, so you aren't going wrong there. However, you can fit 35s with something as simple as a Teraflex 2.5" coil lift. If you are set on Rock Krawler (ain't a damn thing wrong with that!), then you could look into the Stock Mod.

Duratracs are A/Ts.

I would be happy with 33's, I'm not going to do anything super crazy with my jeep, I just need a more aggressive look and better performance in the mountains for hunting. (creek, then mudhole, short rocky trail, then hunting cabin)

So, if I went with the 2.5" lift and 33's do you think I would still need to regear and get a new driveshaft?

Glad to see someone so close by too! Maybe once I get all set up for offroading we can take a trip to UHF
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I would be happy with 33's, I'm not going to do anything super crazy with my jeep, I just need a more aggressive look and better performance in the mountains for hunting. (creek, then mudhole, short rocky trail, then hunting cabin)

So, if I went with the 2.5" lift and 33's do you think I would still need to regear and get a new driveshaft?

Glad to see someone so close by too! Maybe once I get all set up for offroading we can take a trip to UHF
you only need a new ds and the sleeves and gussets with getting something like 35's.

I have the s*** gear ratio of 3.21s (I say that because I want 35's) and I run 33's just fine. a 2.5 lift will be fine. that's like the peak height, from what I understand, before you have to start considering a new ds.

I'm sure 4fit will explain better.
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I would be happy with 33's, I'm not going to do anything super crazy with my jeep, I just need a more aggressive look and better performance in the mountains for hunting. (creek, then mudhole, short rocky trail, then hunting cabin)

So, if I went with the 2.5" lift and 33's do you think I would still need to regear and get a new driveshaft?

Glad to see someone so close by too! Maybe once I get all set up for offroading we can take a trip to UHF
33's and 2.5" lift =

No need for new ds or anything else. Possibly may need lca's to set caster, or an adj tb to realign your axle, but don't even mess with that till you install your lift and drive it. Lots of peeps buy em, few need em.

The only thing that'll suffer on your Jeep w/that combo is mpg. But that sucks stock, anyway, so who cares?
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33's and 2.5" lift =

Possibly may need lca's to set caster, or an adj tb to realign your axle



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lca's = lower control arms. adj tb = adjustable track bar.

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I'm throwing down one of my NEWB cards here ... and I have NO clue what was just said ....
Sorry...Most 2.5" lifts (TeraFlex and Rock Krawler both make good ones) don't come with adjustable control arms or trackbars, mainly cuz they're usually not needed with lifts of that height.

However:

Sometimes a lift will throw your Jeep's caster off enough that, afterwards, your steering will feel a little twitchy at speed on the highway. Basically, caster is the angle of your Jeep's steering relative to your front axle. If you don't have proper caster, your steering will feel twitchy at speed on the highway. A set of lower adjustable control arms will allow you to set your caster to the proper specs.

Similarly, sometimes when you lift a Jeep an axle will get thrown off center. This has little effect on driveability, but if it's noticeable (i.e....one tire sticks out farther than the other), it can drive you crazy. An adjustable track bar will fix it.

The two symptoms I mentioned above are much more common with lifts of 3" and higher. Hence, most of those kits come with adj ca's and adj tb's (though not all).

All I'm saying is, don't get drawn in to buying adjustable ca's and tb's till you've installed your 2.5" lift and have driven your Jeep for awhile, as either one (or both) may be a waste of $$.

Bottom line is this (provided you buy a quality lift): 33's and 2.5" lift =
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Cool, thanks I'm learning all kinds of neat stuff today!
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Cool, thanks I'm learning all kinds of neat stuff today!
Main thing is: with 33" tires and a 2.5" lift, there really isn't much else you'll need to do to your Jeep in terms of suspension/handling, other than perhaps the ca's/tb's I mentioned above.

Very simple, and relatively inexpensive...at least compared to, say, a 3" lift and 35" tires.
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Very simple, and relatively inexpensive...at least compared to, say, a 3" lift and 35" tires.
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I would be happy with 33's, I'm not going to do anything super crazy with my jeep, I just need a more aggressive look and better performance in the mountains for hunting. (creek, then mudhole, short rocky trail, then hunting cabin)

So, if I went with the 2.5" lift and 33's do you think I would still need to regear and get a new driveshaft?

Glad to see someone so close by too! Maybe once I get all set up for offroading we can take a trip to UHF
Like the others said, 2.5" lift and 33s will do you just fine. Hell, unless you absolutely want/need the additional lift of the 2.5", even a simple leveling kit (2" front, 1" rear) will do you fine. That's what I run (see pic).

There are several folks on here from the central NC area. MTH, ESP, prowler9, Unlimited_Kev, OH9JK, harwa004, etc, etc.


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Sleeve/ Gussets for 35s, yes. But the new driveshaft is dependent on lift height and the angle that it puts the shaft in. If someone threw on a 4" lift with 29" tires, they would still need a new shaft.
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Maybe I can help here...

Why not take a look at the RK2.5" Flex System. This kit will give you everything you need to run either a 33 or a 35" tire on your JK. PLUS if give you the lower control arms. These will help you both on and off road. The big difference that most people benifit from is that it takes away that Flighty feeling on road and makes the JK more driveable. Heck, most think it rides better than stock with this kits! Pair that with a great shocks and your good to go!

Now, for tires, are you looking for a AT like the one posted? I agree, you can look at the Duratracs but they are not cheap! If your JK is on road 90% of the time, take a look at the Falken Wild Peaks. They have a 50K tread life warranty and on top of that, they can hold there own in the dirt as well!

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Maybe I can help here...

Why not take a look at the RK2.5" Flex System. This kit will give you everything you need to run either a 33 or a 35" tire on your JK. PLUS if give you the lower control arms. These will help you both on and off road. The big difference that most people benifit from is that it takes away that Flighty feeling on road and makes the JK more driveable. Heck, most think it rides better than stock with this kits! Pair that with a great shocks and your good to go!

Now, for tires, are you looking for a AT like the one posted? I agree, you can look at the Duratracs but they are not cheap! If your JK is on road 90% of the time, take a look at the Falken Wild Peaks. They have a 50K tread life warranty and on top of that, they can hold there own in the dirt as well!

Feel free to let us know if you have any quesitons. Feel free to call, PM, or email at any time and we can help you get setup. Also, dont worry about being a newbe, we were all there at one time in our life!

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If wanting Cooper, I would suggest the STT's over the A/T3's. The Cooper STT's were high up on my list of tires to get and even more so the then KM2's
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I have the 35" Goodyear Fierce Attitudes and they are awesome. No road noise at all, smooth ride and cheap. I have dura tracks on my truck so I'm not knocking them at all I just like the deeper lugs and more aggressive look on my jeep.
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Oh you just messed up right there!!! I am in the process of building a new site that is going to be bigger and better!!! Shoot me a email at Jason@KrawlOff-Road.com and we can get something worked out. You scratch my back and I scratch yours deal!

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I agree with all the information in this thread. I have a TF 2.5" and 32" BFG MT. Any bigger lift and your looking at at least a front ds. Northridge will make you a good deal on a TF with Bilsteins. Mine drives and rides as good as stock. A little rougher ride but better cornering. I have 4.10 gears. If you want 35" you will probably want to regear. Good luck.
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So, I've changed my mind ... I think I'm going to go with the procomp 1079 15x8's because it's a more classic look ... I found a set of 5 for $530 shipped, good deal? Still up in the air about tires though.

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nice choice. i'm a fan of that classic 8 look.
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So, I've changed my mind ... I think I'm going to go with the procomp 1079 15x8's because it's a more classic look ... I found a set of 5 for $530 shipped, good deal? Still up in the air about tires though.

Make sure they'll clear the brake calipers on your Jeep. DTD (forum vendor) should be able to tell you, if you don't already know...

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