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Old 12-22-2011, 07:50 PM   #1
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Which one of these would you choose?

Guys, thanks for your help and making me realize that I made a mistake ordering the SkyJacker lift. I am sending back my SkyJacker 4" long arm kit tomorrow morning and need to order a new one. I am looking at these, I would like opinions:

Rock Krawler 3.5" X factor Mid Arm
Rock Krawler Suspension RKJK35XF - Rock Krawler X Factor Mid Arm 3.5" System for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

Rock Krawler 3.5" Tripple Threat Long Arm
Rock Krawler Suspension JK35TTLA-4 - Rock Krawler Triple Threat Long Arm 3.5" System for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door - Quadratec

I think I prefer long arm because I heard it is a "better driver".

Either way, I need to replace my control arms, that's why I need a kit that comes with all 8.

Thanks a million!

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Old 12-22-2011, 08:02 PM   #2
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Obviously you don't spend all of your time in NYC. Either that or they have raised the height of the curbs.

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Old 12-22-2011, 08:07 PM   #3
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Obviously you don't spend all of your time in NYC. Either that or they have raised the height of the curbs.
I have a place upstate and there are lots of trails through the woods.

But also, with the turning radius of the moon, I like to climb the curbs when I make u-turns. I won't go back and forth...
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Old 12-22-2011, 08:49 PM   #4
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I guess no opinions here... I will prolly go with the mid arm then.
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:15 PM   #5
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Both of these kits require components to be welded into place, though the long arm version requires a fair bit more work, including significant exhaust modifications.

Yes, the long arm will ride better, its also a lot dearer too, but if you are happy and competent enough to do the welding yourself then go for it. If you require someone else to fit then the install cost will be a lot more for the long arm kit.
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I agree with SeaComms. If money is no object, go for the long-arm. And I concur about the better ride as well.
Also....... "Be very wary of a man with a pig-farm." BrickTop
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Old 12-22-2011, 10:38 PM   #7
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I agree with SeaComms. If money is no object, go for the long-arm. And I concur about the better ride as well.
Also....... "Be very wary of a man with a pig-farm." BrickTop
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Oh man, these have to be welded on... wtf?
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Old 12-22-2011, 11:08 PM   #8
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Oh man, these have to be welded on... wtf?
Yes. You're changing the mounting position of the control arms.

Having checked out your Skyjacker thread along with this one, I think you're a prime candidate for spending way too much money only to realize you haven't spent enough. You need to stick to the "basics."

You mentioned tall stance, legit offroading, and lots of wheel well.

Alright.

Standard 3" coil lift from TeraFlex. Right here: (http://www.quadratec.com/products/16190_0001.htm). OME, AEV, Rock Krawler, and Clayton are all other good options.

Now Google "Rusty's offroad." Get front lower control arms and front and rear adjustable track bars. Check out JKS and TeraFlex for these too.

Then get a set of Bushwacker flat flares. These: (http://www.quadratec.com/products/12506_4444_07.htm). Pure Jeep and Xenon also have options.

Then pick five new wheels from here: (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...heelsBySize.do). Keep in the 15", 16", or 17" diameter and 8" wide. Your bolt pattern must be 5x5, also known as 5-127.

Then pick five new tires. I'm partial to DuraTracs myself, but there are lots of choices. For as big of a lift as your going and with those Bushwackers, your tires will need to be about 35" tall. I'd also go for about 12.5" wide. There are tire size calculators online to help you with the sizing.

You'll need a new tire carrier for that tire. Here: (http://www.quadratec.com/products/22202_2001_07.htm).

The tires will throw off your speedometer, so you'll need this too: (http://www.quadratec.com/products/17619_100X_PG.htm)

Now, either get all that installed or install it yourself. Then drive. Your gas mileage will go down by about 30%, and my recollection is you have a 2011, so if it's an auto transmission you're going to hate it.

To fix that, set aside about $1800 for the regearing. Then you'll be all set.

So there's your new set up. Got it? It'd be pretty awesome too.

Now actually go to all those sites and do the math on your parts, then add about 30% if you're going to have a shop install everything. Is that in your budget? If not, start setting your sights lower.
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have you checked out old man emu and aev?
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Old 12-22-2011, 11:24 PM   #10
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There is no "need" for a long arm on a JK. Sure they ride slightly better, but there are short arm kits out there that have just as good or better ride than some long arm kits. The key is geometry and quality shocks. I had a long arm kit on my '07 and I am just as happy with my short arm kit on my '12. Unless you are doing hard core wheeling, I would save some money and keep it simpler with a short arm. But even if you are doing hardcore wheeling, a good short arm kit can still do the job. See my Avatar pic? That is the flex with a good short arm kit. I can fit 37s, flex like crazy, and still have about 9-10 inches of wheel travel. Good short arm kits can be had from ARB/OME, Off Road Evolution, and AEV to name a few.

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Oh man, these have to be welded on... wtf?
On both of the lifts you linked to is a copy of the install instructions - have a quick browse through them to see the sort of work required.
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Old 12-23-2011, 02:33 AM   #12
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Yes. You're changing the mounting position of the control arms.

Having checked out your Skyjacker thread along with this one, I think you're a prime candidate for spending way too much money only to realize you haven't spent enough. You need to stick to the "basics."

You mentioned tall stance, legit offroading, and lots of wheel well.

Alright.

Standard 3" coil lift from TeraFlex. Right here: (TeraFlex 3" Lift Kit with Shocks for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec). OME, AEV, Rock Krawler, and Clayton are all other good options.

Now Google "Rusty's offroad." Get front lower control arms and front and rear adjustable track bars. Check out JKS and TeraFlex for these too.

Then get a set of Bushwacker flat flares. These: (10918-07 - Bushwacker Flat Style Flares for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door - Quadratec). Pure Jeep and Xenon also have options.

Then pick five new wheels from here: (Wheel Search By Size - Discount Tire Direct). Keep in the 15", 16", or 17" diameter and 8" wide. Your bolt pattern must be 5x5, also known as 5-127.

Then pick five new tires. I'm partial to DuraTracs myself, but there are lots of choices. For as big of a lift as your going and with those Bushwackers, your tires will need to be about 35" tall. I'd also go for about 12.5" wide. There are tire size calculators online to help you with the sizing.

You'll need a new tire carrier for that tire. Here: (Smittybilt 2743 - Smittybilt Oversized Tire Carrier in Black for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec).

The tires will throw off your speedometer, so you'll need this too: (30406007AA - AEV ProCal Module for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec)

Now, either get all that installed or install it yourself. Then drive. Your gas mileage will go down by about 30%, and my recollection is you have a 2011, so if it's an auto transmission you're going to hate it.

To fix that, set aside about $1800 for the regearing. Then you'll be all set.

So there's your new set up. Got it? It'd be pretty awesome too.

Now actually go to all those sites and do the math on your parts, then add about 30% if you're going to have a shop install everything. Is that in your budget? If not, start setting your sights lower.
Thanks Mike! Wow thats a LOT of good info. This was a quality response.

I was actually checking out new control arm sets from JKS, TF and Rusty's. I think Rusty's is the way to go. Also, I am really liking the AEV 3.5" short arm kit. AEV Conversions N0234100AA - AEV 3.5" DualSport SC Suspension System with Bilstein Shocks for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door with LHD - Quadratec

And also think this is a great idea to add: AEV Conversions NTH20410AB - AEV Geometry Correction Front Control Arm Brackets for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

As far as wheels, I have already purchased a set of five of these: https://www.rimzoneonline.com/cgi/co...XD77821087712N they are 18x9. IMO these are the best looking wheels out there.

Second choice was XD Series XD-Series Wheels Crank 17x9 Matte Black Low Offset - Wheels Only - No Tires but I went with the monsters.

I also purchased Nitto Terra Grapplers 325/65/18. Thats a 35" wheel with almost 13" of width.

I will be posting some pictures when all is done.

Lets not forget the bumpers and a winch set up
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I have the AEV control arm brackets and am very happy with them. Yes, they drop 50mm lower just behind the wheels, but unless you are serious rock crawling then they are not an issue. Besides, with 3in lift you are still an inch more clearance than you started, add 35's and you are up another 2in.

That AEV kit you linked to now comes with them and the idea is you keep the existing stock arms, and it also come with the ProCal to correct your speedo as well.

This is what they look like fitted:

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Where those pics at? Looking forward to seeing how she turned out and what you think of the ride quality etc etc...

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