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Old 08-30-2012, 09:53 AM   #1
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Arrow Who bought a Rubicon because they live in a snowy climate?

...or does everyone really do crazy crawling/trails? Who uses lockers to get out of deep snow on occasion?

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Old 08-30-2012, 10:00 AM   #2
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:03 AM   #3
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I know, I know. My buddy is in the market for a Rubi...he lives in Jersey City. =/
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:05 AM   #4
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I didn't buy a Rubicon because I live in a snowy climate, I went with the posi because it functions at all speeds
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We get snow...sometimes, but wasn't the reason (sport with good tires would do just fine). Maybe i'm wrong here but wouldn't a rubicon and sport (assuming same/good tires on both) be equally good in snow? I don't see how a rubicon would do any better in it other than the difference in stock tires when in 4H?
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Wouldn't limited slip be better in regular snow driving than lockers? Or do you mean to get out of a big, snowy ditch you found yourself in by accident? LOL
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Wouldn't limited slip be better in regular snow driving than lockers? Or do you mean to get out of a big, snowy ditch you found yourself in by accident? LOL
This! Ditch scenario lol. I don't mean driving around with the lockers engaged the entire time.
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:15 AM   #8
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We get a lot of snow here - yep, about every 50 years, we get 1 or 2 inches that melt in about 6 hours......

So I guess that makes me a "no"
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We get snow...sometimes, but wasn't the reason (sport with good tires would do just fine). Maybe i'm wrong here but wouldn't a rubicon and sport (assuming same/good tires on both) be equally good in snow? I don't see how a rubicon would do any better in it other than the difference in stock tires when in 4H?
Well, there's something to be said about being able to lock the front and rear axles if you need to. So far in snow I haven't needed to. 4H has actually been fine. That's been for NE winters.
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I didn't buy a Rubicon because I live in a snowy climate, I went with the posi because it functions at all speeds
^^^^ Same here. Anti spin is much better in all but a very few deep snow situations.
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Well that seems kind of silly! Maybe a driving class would be a better solution than a Rubi. LOL! (no offense meant to your friend, I'm just playin)
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This! Ditch scenario lol. I don't mean driving around with the lockers engaged the entire time.
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i'm pretty sure when you don't have your rubicon lockers engaged your differential will act as a limited slip. according to arb anyway.

and just because you have a rubicon doesn't mean they're automatically rock crawlers.

the hardcore guys will go base bone stock and throw in arb's which will out crawl and last rubi e lockers all day everyday.
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Lockers only work in 4-lo anyways.
Good luck ripping around at what 15 mph?

BLD works fantastic. MTH had a great vid of it in action
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:20 AM   #14
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I can't wait for snow =)

(I am saying that as I sit in front of the ocean at the moment lol)

Last beach day of the year.
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I didn't buy a Rubicon because I live in a snowy climate, I went with the posi because it functions at all speeds
Do rubicons have full time posi and other models don't?
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i'm pretty sure when you don't have your rubicon lockers engaged your differential will act as a limited slip. according to arb anyway.
For real? I didn't think that was the case. BLD, yes, but not LSD I thought. But what the heck do I know!?
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Lockers only work in 4-lo anyways.
Good luck ripping around at what 15 mph?

BLD works fantastic. MTH had a great vid of it in action
I was totally impressed with my BLD.
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I was totally impressed with my BLD.
I saw your thread

I could feel it doing its magic. A tire would only slip for a second and then gain traction. I did not use my lockers (obviously)
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:29 AM   #19
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Whoa whoa I made a thread the other day about the BLD working well...lol
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I bought a Rubicon for the Rock crawling. The stock Rubicon mud tires are alright when it gets extremely slushy, but they suck balls on ice/packed powder. I've only use the lockers (and only the rear) once in the snow and that was last year when my house got like 30 inches of snow and my driveway was blocked off by 5 foot drifts. It went through like a champ.

I'm hoping the new Duratracs I ordered will help out with the Ice/Packed Powder conditions this winter.
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For real? I didn't think that was the case. BLD, yes, but not LSD I thought. But what the heck do I know!?
You are correct. No LSD on the Rubi when the lockers aren't locked. It's just a normal open diff.
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:41 AM   #22
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First winter with my rubi and what did i do? Of course I plowed it into a snowy ditch in the middle of nowhere by myself. Put it in 4L, locked it up and she dug out. I was very impressed. As soon as I saw dirt flying with the snow from the front end I knew I was no longer f@$ked.
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Whoa whoa I made a thread the other day about the BLD working well...lol
So did I!

Why do we call it BLD anyway, it's really just the abs kicking on, it has nothing to do with the diff...there is no mention of BLD in the manual either.
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So did I!

Why do we call it BLD anyway, it's really just the abs kicking on, it has nothing to do with the diff...there is no mention of BLD in the manual either.
It is a bit more than ABS. It forces torque to the other axle whereas other vehicles will not. I believe it mentions it in the full book manual I have.
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Whoa whoa I made a thread the other day about the BLD working well...lol
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It is a bit more than ABS. It forces torque to the other axle whereas other vehicles will not. I believe it mentions it in the full book manual I have.
Found an interesting article on it: Chrysler Blog - Jeep Brake Traction Control Explained

I searched my full (pdf) manual and didn't see anything on it, doesn't mean it wasn't there though!
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Does the Rubi have the BLDs? And doesn't it also have traction control? I would think both of those would help in the snow. However they would not be better than a sport or Sahara correct?
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Sueby is might not have been in there. I forget where I read about it but it was from Chrysler. Perhaps the Wrangler site? Interesting link you posted. Seems to work well enough for me thus far.
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Why do we call it BLD anyway, it's really just the abs kicking on, it has nothing to do with the diff...there is no mention of BLD in the manual either.
It is the opposite of the ABS kicking on. Regular ABS can't apply brake pressure, only release it. If there was no diff, BLD wouldn't work because both wheels would be locked together so I think the diff has a lot to do with it.
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I can talk to you about snow. Living at 8000' in the Wasatch Mountains... roads off the highway maintained by the guy that owns the lodge... average 500" snowfall/year. Many years over 700".
The road up to my place is quite steep, and gets very narrow with the well overhead snowbanks... snow/packed snow/deep pow/ice... we see it all.
The best tires I have used over the last 12 winters = Goodyear Duratracs.
The best vehicle I've had for these conditions = my current jeep. A 2011 Sport. The lsd is very helpful. I've not yet had to use my lockers (got 'em front and rear... ARB up front, Auburn Ected-Max combo lsd until I activate the lockers... then locked) to get home. I have used them in other places (think dirt/sandstone) but not snow/ice. Not to say I won't need to, but hey, these are pretty extreme conditions, and typical years we don't see the pavement from some time in November until some time in May or June. Think high and north facing...
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Great info. I will get getting Duratracs if I swap wheels/tires - or when my ATs are finished.

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