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Old 08-30-2012, 08:19 PM   #31
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Drove my first Jeep 17 years with stock suspension and loved every minute--same for my stock '12 JK for 4 months so far. There are lots of reasons to modify suspension, but "just because" is not one of them.

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Drove my first Jeep 17 years with stock suspension and loved every minute--same for my stock '12 JK for 4 months so far. There are lots of reasons to modify suspension, but "just because" is not one of them.
I agree but I didn't modify mine just because, I wanted a better ride.

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Well here is my 2 cents. Had a "83" which I never lifted and drove through more mud and hard trails when the lifted ones got stuck. Never rocks and such, because that's a whole different animal. Had a lot of issues with the manual transmission, carb, and rear end stuff and it cost me big time do to the water, mud, sand and grit, but it was fun.

However 25 years later I still don't plan on lifting, but I do like the oversized tires wheels and other cool mods. So far my 285/70R17 BFG MK2's with Mickey Thompson Classic whees seem just fine with the stock suspension?

With that said I'm quite sure I will never test this "2012" like I did the "83" when I had less cents than cash. (Pun Intended)!

I don't cruise Malls, but I still will do some moderate trails by all means. This is my 50th Birthday present to myself and it's just a toy that sits in my garage. Had her for 4 months and just turned over 1000 miles last week.

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Old 08-30-2012, 11:56 PM   #34
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I put bilsteins no lift on myself after about 1000 miles on my 12 Sahara. For 1.5 hrs of work and about 350 in parts the improvement in handling is noticeable and a less jarring ride.
Do you have a model or part number for the Bilsteins? Thanks!
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One of the best things about driving a totally stock Jeep is the responses you get to it while out on the trail. This morning I had to do some exploring to find the route for our annual ATV ride that will be this weekend. We ride the ATVs from one end of the state to the other end of the state, entirely on dirt roads and ATV trails. One of the dirt road sections of the route is going to be different this year and I had to pre run it, so I took the Jeep this morning for that purpose. I had tried to pre run it before in the south to north direction, and had got lost, so today I came in from the north and backtracked until I got to part of the trail I knew. I found where I had gone the wrong direction, but then wanted to backtrack down the trail a few miles just to make sure it was the right trail. After driving 1/2 hour on the trail I got to a spot I recognized, so turned around to head back out. About five minutes into the way back out I met a Polaris Rzr side by side with about a 2" lift and a set of big aftermarket tires on it, coming down the trail toward me. He flagged me down and asked if this was the trail that went through to five mile canyon. I said that it was. He then said the trail ahead of me got real rough and that I probably didn't want to take my Jeep through there. I said, "Ya, I came in that way". He then said "You came in that way?", and his eyes opened wide and eyebrows went up, as he looked my Jeep over a little closer. He didn't say anything, but the look on his face was priceless.
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I got the standard Sport JKU and have not done any suspension mods at all. I did however, replace those anemic tires with some M/T's (Kenda 255/75/R17's) and it rides solid and smooth. This is my third Jeep and I don't see what others are saying about shitty turning, or whatever. My Jeep does awesome on the road and trail. I love it so much that I have put 12,800 miles on my 9 month old 2012 already. The Pentastar is very responsive, strong and assertive IMO compared to my last TJ. I had it lifted with 35's on a Rancho suspension and did nicely off-road. I don't plan on lifting the JK though. My 32's are just fine.
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I have a 07, JKU-X, Stock suspension, 18" Sahara wheels/tires...6 speed.
I have no issues, in fact it rides and handles damned good on or off the highway.
I can sit in that Jeep all day long and get out and not have a back ache ( I have a bad back, lots of compression ).... My wife rides along and she never complains of the ride. We take it on road trips regularly .
I don't do a lot of mud holes, and no rock climbing. I do drive a lot of logging roads and trails, lots of ruts, and cut outs...
No real plans for big changes, I will at some point add a Leveling kit, I have no plans for giant tires, I will run the "COMBO" or cookie cutters....285/75/16....
I'm happy with the way mine rides and handles.... "BH"
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I got the standard Sport JKU and have not done any suspension mods at all. I did however, replace those anemic tires with some M/T's (Kenda 255/75/R17's) and it rides solid and smooth. This is my third Jeep and I don't see what others are saying about shitty turning, or whatever. My Jeep does awesome on the road and trail. I love it so much that I have put 12,800 miles on my 9 month old 2012 already. The Pentastar is very responsive, strong and assertive IMO compared to my last TJ. I had it lifted with 35's on a Rancho suspension and did nicely off-road. I don't plan on lifting the JK though. My 32's are just fine.
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I like the ride of the stock suspension. That is why I have not lifted it, though I hear the Old Man Emu rides the best- especially on a light Jeep. I have ridden in a few and they are much rougher and more jarring than mine. I can't stand that, so am taking it slow. There are a few trails I really can't go to, but I will lift it when I am sure it will not turn into a 1980s Jeep.
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It works fantastic! I went to the store today in my 2012 rubicon and when someone parked behind me, I simply drove over the curb in front of me, through the tall grass, off the other curb, without even locking in the front diff!! Amazing! The electronic sway bar disco was really handy! The stock suspension is ready to tackle any mall near you!
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I am satisfied with the stock on my Rubicon. There is a a difference I notice in driving the wife's Sahara.
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Old 09-02-2012, 05:35 AM   #43
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I have a 07, JKU-X, Stock suspension, 18" Sahara wheels/tires...6 speed.
I have no issues, in fact it rides and handles damned good on or off the highway.
I can sit in that Jeep all day long and get out and not have a back ache ( I have a bad back, lots of compression ).... My wife rides along and she never complains of the ride. We take it on road trips regularly .
I don't do a lot of mud holes, and no rock climbing. I do drive a lot of logging roads and trails, lots of ruts, and cut outs...
No real plans for big changes, I will at some point add a Leveling kit, I have no plans for giant tires, I will run the "COMBO" or cookie cutters....285/75/16....
I'm happy with the way mine rides and handles.... "BH"
I hear you, friend. I have spent a lot cash on LED replacement (bulbs, headlights, fog lights—every light I could replace), new, better speakers and other small items, but I am happy with the handling and ride of the stock suspension.
I am happy with the stock tires that came with the COD Rubicon and I will replace then with the same when the time comes.
Like you, no complaints on the ride from the wife.
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Old 09-02-2012, 05:42 AM   #44
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Drove my first Jeep 17 years with stock suspension and loved every minute--same for my stock '12 JK for 4 months so far. There are lots of reasons to modify suspension, but "just because" is not one of them.
Oh yeah. Every Jeep I have ever owned I have had the stock suspension, had very good results with all of them.
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Old 09-02-2012, 11:24 AM   #45
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I'm very happy with the stock suspension. I was out here yesterday, and my passenger and I were laughing about how guys rush to lift their jeeps without even realizing how capable they are stock. I never plan to do any hairier offroading than this, and my bone stock jk ate this up with no problem whatsoever. (Hill was much steeper than it appears in the photo, as you know if you've ever tried to take photos like this!)
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I'm very happy with the stock suspension. I was out here yesterday, and my passenger and I were laughing about how guys rush to lift their jeeps without even realizing how capable they are stock. I never plan to do any hairier offroading than this, and my bone stock jk ate this up with no problem whatsoever. (Hill was much steeper than it appears in the photo, as you know if you've ever tried to take photos like this!)
That is a stereotypical comment if I ever heard one. Yes, JK Wranglers are very capable in stock form. And I wasn't unhappy with the stock suspension. And I like many owners don't lift because we think we have to in order to offroad, etc.

The stock ride wasn't bad; I wanted firmer. I also added 2" spacers to give my Jeep a better looking stance. I then replaced the shocks to account for the lift and to firm up the ride. I also added two aftermarket accessories to re-center the axles. Still using stock springs and control arms. I was happy before but wanted to improve the otherwise satisfactory factory handling. I feel I have accomplished that in making a good riding Jeep ride even better.
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That is a stereotypical comment if I ever heard one. Yes, JK Wranglers are very capable in stock form. And I wasn't unhappy with the stock suspension. And I like many owners don't lift because we think we have to in order to offroad, etc.

The stock ride wasn't bad; I wanted firmer. I also added 2" spacers to give my Jeep a better looking stance. I then replaced the shocks to account for the lift and to firm up the ride. I also added two aftermarket accessories to re-center the axles. Still using stock springs and control arms. I was happy before but wanted to improve the otherwise satisfactory factory handling. I feel I have accomplished that in making a good riding Jeep ride even better.
I'm not sure why you took that so personally. If you didn't think you had to lift in order to off-road, and were aware of stock capabilities, I'm confused as to why you would assume my comment even applied to you.
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The only reason I would lift is to get better clearance. A stock Jeep can climb as steep or a steeper hill than a lifted one. That is not the issue. There are trails I cannot go to for fear of undercarriage damage. In my case, the is the ONLY reason to lift it. Most people probably do it for looks. I could care less.
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I didn't take it personally. Just explaining my motives for lifting since your comment mentioned lifts: "and my passenger and I were laughing about how guys rush to lift their jeeps without even realizing how capable they are stock." It indirectly implies us lifted guys thought we needed to lift in order to offroad. Not true as you have seen.
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The only reason I would lift is to get better clearance. A stock Jeep can climb as steep or a steeper hill than a lifted one. That is not the issue. There are trails I cannot go to for fear of undercarriage damage. In my case, the is the ONLY reason to lift it. Most people probably do it for looks. I could care less.
Lifting does help lessen the possibility of undercarriage damage to an extent, but without larger diameter tires, the axles, diffs, and lower control arms are still at the same height.
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Lifting does help lessen the possibility of undercarriage damage to an extent, but without larger diameter tires, the axles, diffs, and lower control arms are still at the same height.
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I dont think our Jeep is lifted, however it has larger wheels and tires, I and my wife are perfectly satisfied at the ride and handling of our Jeep. We do plan on normal trail wheeling and are not into any rock crawling and serious mudding. We have only had it for two weeks now and basically the only trail riding we have done is on our property, we own 14 acres of wooded property here in east Athens GA and we have actually found parts of our property that we didn't even know existed!. We life on a slight hill that has a creek running at the lower edge of our property, there is a lot of this areas that have blackberry briars and lots of under brush, this Jeep plows right through it all and that is in 2 wheel drive, we have not had the need to put it into four wheel drive yet!
This stock suspension is more than enough for us, there is a new off road place here in Athens called Okoneee Offroad and the first thing they told us when they met us is that the the Jeep Wrangler is well capable right off the show room floor for regular trails and can actually take a good beating in off road situations. They told us that they can sell us all kinds of stuff that we really don't need but they would rather keep us well informed because they want return customers out of us.
I am a firm believer that a typical Jeeper could do well with larger tires and maybe a few extra lights and a winch but that is as far as we go when it comes to our Jeep.
I just say- get out there and enjoy your Wrangler and try and keep from outdoing that Joneses.
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Lifting does help lessen the possibility of undercarriage damage to an extent, but without larger diameter tires, the axles, diffs, and lower control arms are still at the same height.
Of course. I would lift to put some taller tires on. No real point otherwise. I am still stock so far, though I keep considering my options.
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Well...that's what I have read and that seem to be the root cause according to the experts.
What's been reported as the root cause ? Adding a lift, adding wheels with less backpacking, or the combination of them both ? I'm planning to go up to 33" Duratracs with a 2.5 Teraflex Lift soon - but I don't want to do anything that is going to bring about the death wobble. I had 35s on my old TJ and never experienced the death wobble, so please expound on what has been said about the root cause of the death wobble.
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What's been reported as the root cause ? Adding a lift, adding wheels with less backpacking, or the combination of them both ? I'm planning to go up to 33" Duratracs with a 2.5 Teraflex Lift soon - but I don't want to do anything that is going to bring about the death wobble. I had 35s on my old TJ and never experienced the death wobble, so please expound on what has been said about the root cause of the death wobble.
The root cause can be found in post #29. Linked to a thread created by an expert.
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I've been very pleased so far with the suspension on my 12 Rubi Unlimited. It's my daily driver and I haven't done any hardcore wheeling with it yet (sticking to the green trails for now). It seems to ride, corner, and handle bumps much better than my 11 Sport Unlimited did. On washboard roads, though, you are still very aware of the front axle.
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I don't cruise Malls, but I still will do some moderate trails by all means. This is my 50th Birthday present to myself and it's just a toy that sits in my garage. Had her for 4 months and just turned over 1000 miles last week.

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I bought a Jeep for the same occasion, though a little early. And you sound like me when it comes to how you use it. So what changes have you made and how do you define "moderate trails"? Thx!
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I bought a Jeep for the same occasion, though a little early. And you sound like me when it comes to how you use it. So what changes have you made and how do you define "moderate trails"? Thx!
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Had a 1996 and the ride was like a tank. Have a 2012 and love the ride. Still getting the AEV 2.5 and 33's
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I didn't take it personally. Just explaining my motives for lifting since your comment mentioned lifts: "and my passenger and I were laughing about how guys rush to lift their jeeps without even realizing how capable they are stock." It indirectly implies us lifted guys thought we needed to lift in order to offroad. Not true as you have seen.
But he's got a point. I was one of those guys he was laughing at, rushing to lift my jeep even before I had the keys in hand. His comment directly implies to me.

Before I pulled the trigger on a lift, I did some offroading and was seriously impressed by the capabilities of my stock wrangler. A lift kit would still be nice, but now I don't see it as a necessity for most of the trails around these parts.

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