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Old 08-09-2013, 11:10 PM   #31
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This is Jeep number 8 for me. After many years of owning other Jeeps, I got my 06 LJ as a Rubicon. And boy did it wheel that thing. Tons of trips to the national forest, Rausch Creek, and Windrock Park in TN. When my son was on his way, I decided to move up to a 4 door, for the room and ease of loading. So naturally I bought a Rubicon again, and decked it out. Between life changes, new job, and more time with family I wheeled it a grand total of 1 time on a fire road. After that I knew the wheeling bug was gone, so I couldn't justify the higher cost of the Rubicon this time around for stuff I wouldn't end up using. I started to order a Sport S, but then found out I couldn't get he auto headlights, auto temp, or Nav on it, which were things I wanted since my old one had Nav. In addition I was adding a bunch of stuff to the Sport S which drive it's price up close to the Sahara, so I took the plunge and got my first Sahara. Very happy with it and would probably buy another if I was buying again. For me it's the perfect match of being able to get all the creature comforts I want without paying extra for Rubi parts I won't use.

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Friends of mine at work have a billet jkus. The bought it as their dog crates fit in the back and it does well in the snow. It is a nice ride.

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about two years ago we upgraded our 2004 Grand Caravan and 2007 Charger to a 2012 Grand Caravan R/T (with the same motor as the Jeep) and a 2010 Challenger SRT8. I used to be a die hard Ford guy back in the day and still had my 1998 F-150 XLT w/5-spd manual. At about 100k miles I finally had to swap out the clutch. The rear brakes were still original and recently I had to swap out the front control arms.

Basically... things on the F-150 were starting to fall apart. Then my lawn mower took a dump... I went to go buy a new one and we couldn't fit in the back of the truck with the camper shell on so I had to go and grab the trailer.

Now... anytime we have warranty work done (or any other service like tires or whatever) on the Caravan that means that I have to let the wife take the kids around in the truck. I don't give a rat's behind about myself possibly being stuck in that thing... but I really don't want my wife and kids to ever get stranded (hence the reason she replaced her 2004 with 160K miles on it for a new one).

So... old. falling apart. had to use a trailer anyway... screw it... I'm getting a Jeep like I always wanted.

I didn't go out specifically looking for a Sahara but it does have a crap load of stuff on it that is REALLY comfortable. My wife would have been fine with a Rubi but there is a ton of stuff on that thing that I would never take advantage so spending the extra $$$ on the Rubi didn't make sense.

I went to the lot on the 2nd to last day of the month and they had a metric butt load of Saharas on the lot. The one I have unfortunately has the Chrome package on it and I could really do without it... makes it look like a wanna be rapper moved into the house. The only thing I really wanted that I didn't get was the 3.73 gears. But... when I bought it on the last day of the month they cut more than enough off the sticker to warrant me putting a 4.xx gear set in there and still come out ahead.

I will admit that I was surprised at all the Sahara hate on the forums. But... to each their own. Mine will be on the beach WAY more than it will ever be in the mud. If my F-150 can get around on the beach in 4H I have no doubt this thing will do just fine.
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Sometimes I wish I would have ordered climate control and factory nav, so that I could really piss off the "die-hards" with my opulence of luxury.

If they inquire, I would be most willing in allowing them to partake in some of my Grey Poupon.
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Sometimes I wish I would have ordered climate control and factory nav, so that I could really piss off the "die-hards" with my opulence of luxury.

If they inquire, I would be most willing in allowing them to partake in some of my Grey Poupon.
Haha! I have a Rubicon that has all that crap. I bought it off the lot. It's definitely the most "refined" interior I've ever had in a vehicle. I will not share my Grey Poupon...sorry. Us Rubicon guys are jerks! And the leather interior in my Rubicon is great for mustard spills!
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Sometimes I wish I would have ordered climate control and factory nav, so that I could really piss off the "die-hards" with my opulence of luxury. If they inquire, I would be most willing in allowing them to partake in some of my Grey Poupon.
Everyone gets amazed when they find out it has power everything, auto temp, nav with backup cam, heated seats, yet you can still pull the doors and top quickly and enjoy it being a Jeep.
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Everyone gets amazed when they find out it has power everything, auto temp, nav with backup cam, heated seats, yet you can still pull the doors and top quickly and enjoy it being a Jeep.
Backup cam!?!?!?! That's just too dang fancy.
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No backup camera to my knowledge.
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Old 08-10-2013, 08:39 PM   #39
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Backup cam!?!?!?! That's just too dang fancy.
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No backup camera to my knowledge.
Not from the factory....but many of us have installed them....to assist with parallel parking at establishments that do not have valet.....
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Not from the factory....but many of us have installed them....to assist with parallel parking at establishments that do not have valet.....
Every vehicle my wife has had since 2004 has had a backup camera, so the Jeep goes in next Thursday to have one installed.

Didn't bother me one way of the other.
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Sometimes I wish I would have ordered climate control and factory nav, so that I could really piss off the "die-hards" with my opulence of luxury.

If they inquire, I would be most willing in allowing them to partake in some of my Grey Poupon.
Really enjoy your sense of humor

I would have never ordered one with the nav or auto a/c, but love having them. Had read nothing good about the auto a/c and can't understand why. Just did a 3 1/2 hour trip in varying temps from mid 60's to close to 90. Set the ac to 68 and never touched it. With my 2011, my wife would always be turning on and off on trips. Definitely worth having.
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didn't need a Rubicon, nor did I want to spend the extra for it. Liked that it had a lot options available as standard items (premium top, tinted windows, painted flares). My last TJ was a Sahara so I figured I would get another Sahara.

When I bought my JK, it's main purpose was to have a convertible for the wife and 4x4 for me. I have to be at work at the airport for the rare winter storms we get. The last one back in 11 was pretty shitty with the roads being all froze over and stuff. I was stuck there for 4 nights. It was like Katrina all over again. If I had a 4x4, I would have gone home sooner! That's probably the main reason I didn't go Rubicon... needed all season tires and not mud tires

Now I'm starting to get into off roading a little. I grew up with ATV's and never was interested in taking an expensive vehicle out and bashing it. I had NO problem doing that on an ATV Now I don't have an ATV so the JK gets to play.
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The Sahara has everything I need available without having to pay for options I don't need.
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So when married for almost twenty years you learn to pick and choose your fights.. this was not the time. So, I thought to myself how am I going to make myself happy and still meet the imposed requirements... Ah, I got it a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, 4 doors, four wheel drive and still fun ( I always wanted one ended up with a Liberty a few years back because there was no 4 door at the time)! But a Wrangler stripped won't do! I have to sell this idea to the wife.. OK leather, navigation, power windows.. color matching roof. You get the idea, fully loaded and silver, her favorite color. If I was doing it just for me it would have been the 10th Anniversary Rubicon Unlimited sitting just to the left of my Sahara Unlimited on the lot. So Marriage is all about negotiation and so is my Sahara.
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I have always liked the looks of the wrangler but have never been a fan of chrysler products so I have always avoided them. however, this spring we were in the market for a second vehicle and after talking to a number of friends who drive wranglers we decided to give one a try. My plan was to find a good used one in the $15k range but when I started looking it became very clear that at that price it was going to be either high milage or too old. As we were looking we kept seeing a used 2010 sahara unlimited with only 35k km but it was priced higher than we wanted to spend. But after trying a few others out we decided that it was worth the extra to get the sahara, more options and lower km's. We got in late June and the first thing we did was install the included soft top. We love the room in the 4 door and taking the top down on nice day. Have had the doors off a few times and realy enjoyed it. Its still a Chrysler but its probably the only Chrysler that I would purchase.
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To me the big thing was the color matched hard top and the realization that i will not be doing serious offroading anytime soon. I also like that it has some creature comforts that make it more palatable to the better half and for us to do longer trips and not take the envoy.

I sold my YJ that was lifted on 33's when my son was still baking in the oven because i know it is a pain to get the car seat in and out and is not a comfortable ride so i went with the JKU.

I actually do not like the body colored fender flares so they will be gone as soon as i can save up the cash for tires, wheels and the flat fender flares.

I basically got the best of both worlds in having a vehicle that isn't bad as a DD and still scratches my jeep itch that i have had ever since i sold the YJ.
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A Sahara Unlimited is the closest thing to a decently equipped Jeep Cherokee XJ that is currently made by Chrysler. I never felt buying a stripped down vehicle or one with extra off-road options I'd never use made me a better or wiser man. Both the 2009 and then the 2013 Saharas I've bought were on the lot a long time, deeply discounted and the dealers gave me good trade in allowances. Cash is king I guess, and I still miss the XJ Cherokee.
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Wife and I bought our '13 Sahara cause it had everything we wanted at a price that we would have been stupid to pass up...plus the dealership had leather put in for free. Being my dd, I wanted at least a little bit of comfort...not to mention my location isn't exactly know for its legendary trails so I didn't want something stripped down that I could throw around and not worry about too much. It is what it is...no, my Sahara will never see as much as what most of yours will and I'm ok with that. I love my Jeep just the same!
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I WANTED a Sahara because I was buying it for my wife who always wanted a jeep and wanted to call her "Sahara Sarah". My budget put me into a 2013 sport, not even sport s. There was enough left in the budget to buy a set of sport s take off wheels so i did get rid of the 16" steel wheels (what is chrysler thinking on that one?). We do love our jeep, If you want to start a "buy him a Sahara" charity for me I'll take it! Maybe our 2020 will be a Sahara
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Glad to see so many people picking a vehicle based on their own needs, as opposed to what internet machismo thinks you should get.

I'm sure there are a few people that start with a Sahara, get really into wheeling, and wish they had gotten a Rubi...(those are the individuals who posts on these types of site)...but I think most owners are pretty content with hitting light trails and simply enjoying the vehicle for what it is.

I don't feel the need to prove off-road worthiness to anyone. It is why I pulled the stock Sahara sticker and added Rubi-style "SAHARA" stickers on my hood for all to see....I'm damn proud to rock one. It is also why I have mall crawler in my sig. My Jeep will never see rocks or deep mud....it will occasionaly see dirt trails, grass fields, and gravel roads. But it will also get me through winter and flood season with the best of them while I keep my rear end warm in heated leather seats.
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My jeep wheels with the best of them while rocking pretty color matched flares and fancy seats too! I say buy what you want, run what you like, and as long as you enjoy it, rock on! Some people are just mad they can't afford luxuries, some people have an agenda and just want to complain or belittle someone else to make themselves feel better, but let me say this: if someone harasses you or says something about you owning a Sahara, they have some real issues for doing so over your choice of vehicle trim. That's really sad.

You guys all rock, Saharas are awesome, whether you mall crawl or wheel, or whatever your thing is.
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Glad to see so many people picking a vehicle based on their own needs, as opposed to what internet machismo thinks you should get.

I'm sure there are a few people that start with a Sahara, get really into wheeling, and wish they had gotten a Rubi...(those are the individuals who posts on these types of sights)...but I think most owners are pretty content with hitting light trails and simply enjoying the vehicle for what it is.

I don't feel the need to prove off-road worthiness to anyone. It is why I pulled the stock Sahara sticker and added Rubi-style "SAHARA" stickers on my hood for all to see....I'm damn proud to rock one. It is also why I have mall crawler in my sig. My Jeep will never see rocks or deep mud....it will occasionaly see dirt trails, grass fields, and gravel roads. But it will also get me through winter and flood season with the best of them while I keep my rear end warm in heated leather seats.
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I chose a rubicon and put sahara tires and rims for my mall crawling and highway use... It was the best of both worlds. I can't see paying the 8 grand for plastic and leather. For basically the same price, I put road tires on my rubi and he drives like a dream but has the guts of a crawler. Best choice in my book. Axles and lockers all the way!
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Road tires but axles and lockers...




Just kidding. Whatever floats your boat. But lockers/axles aren't of much use if you don't have tires that deliver in the conditions you need those for. I would at least run an aggressive all terrain.
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Glad to see so many people picking a vehicle based on their own needs, as opposed to what internet machismo thinks you should get.

I'm sure there are a few people that start with a Sahara, get really into wheeling, and wish they had gotten a Rubi...(those are the individuals who posts on these types of site)...but I think most owners are pretty content with hitting light trails and simply enjoying the vehicle for what it is.

I don't feel the need to prove off-road worthiness to anyone. It is why I pulled the stock Sahara sticker and added Rubi-style "SAHARA" stickers on my hood for all to see....I'm damn proud to rock one. It is also why I have mall crawler in my sig. My Jeep will never see rocks or deep mud....it will occasionaly see dirt trails, grass fields, and gravel roads. But it will also get me through winter and flood season with the best of them while I keep my rear end warm in heated leather seats.
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I chose a rubicon and put sahara tires and rims for my mall crawling and highway use... It was the best of both worlds. I can't see paying the 8 grand for plastic and leather. For basically the same price, I put road tires on my rubi and he drives like a dream but has the guts of a crawler. Best choice in my book. Axles and lockers all the way!
I'm assuming you sold your Rubi wheels and purchased Sahara take-offs. I'm sure that netted $400 or so, but I don't think that could make up the difference when you say the same price. If you kept your Rubi wheels, and actually go crawling, then yes, you made the right choice because you are using the Rubi features (more than I would).

On a 2013 4 door, it is over $2200 more (MSRP) to get a Rubi (with auto and 3.73's) over a Sahara with the same options and upgraded to 3.73's and LSD. You are talking $2G at invoice plus tax.

More importantly, if you don't spend a lot of time in the hard stuff (or in 4LO), paying an extra +$2000 for lockers (only available in 4LO), a 4:1 transfer case (only useful in extreme 4LO situations), and ediscos (only used in heavier off-road situations where you will need max articulation) while giving up LSD (useful in 2WD/4HI on slippery surface conditions) just does not make sense. Now if the JK Rubi had the old TJ Rubi rear diff where it was both a selectable locker and LSD, I would have considered it, but there was no way I was going to pay more and give up LSD in the process.

In 2WD/4HI, especially on stock wheels (where the D44 won't come into play), there is no advantage in a Rubi. On slick road surfaces, the lack of (optional) LSD and the (non-siped) MT tires are actually a disadvantage for how I would use the vehicle.
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That definitely puts an new perspective on things--and being an Rubicon owner --where there will never be any "Grey Poupon" to grace the interior there will be plenty of "Gray Poop on" it
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I chose a rubicon and put sahara tires and rims for my mall crawling and highway use... It was the best of both worlds. I can't see paying the 8 grand for plastic and leather. For basically the same price, I put road tires on my rubi and he drives like a dream but has the guts of a crawler. Best choice in my book. Axles and lockers all the way!
I don't understand this. A Rubi costs more than the Sahara. Are you comparing an optionless, and somewhat neutered, Rubicon against a loaded Sahara? If so, the difference is not 8 grand for plastic and leather (which are offered on the Rubi, see it all the time). My Sahara came with Rubicon suspension and MT's, but has all the options I wanted without loading up a Sport. The best of both worlds. Maybe I'll pull you and your lockers out of the mud one of these days lol
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Had everything on it that I wanted at the time. 3.73's and towing, hard top, connectivity, etc. We have a separate "family cruiser" SUV, but I knew that I would have a car seat in it and my wife would also drive it some. She liked the navi and leather seats.

Furthermore, it was our favorite on the lot, and I am not sure my grand cherokee would have survived another trip home and back to the dealer without overheating, flooding the dealership lot, and needing a lot of money invested in it (trade it value that day was at a high :-)

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